Current Events > In sweeping change, Biden administration to ban medical debt from credit reports

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WingsOfGood 06/11/24 6:07:41 PM #1:	Now THIS is a nice change. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sweeping-change-biden-administration-ban-medical-debt-credit/story?id=110997906 In a sweeping change that could improve millions of Americans' ability to own a home or buy a car, the Biden administration on Tuesday proposed a rule to ban medical debt from credit reports. The rule, announced by Vice President Kamala Harris and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Rohit Chopra, comes as President Joe Biden beefs up his efforts to persuade Americans his administration is lowering costs, a chief concern for voters in the upcoming election. This is going to be an enormous relief to so many people battling bills when it comes to hospital visits, Chopra told ABC News in an exclusive interview ahead of the policy announcement. The rule, which has been in the works since September, could go into effect early next year. "Our research shows that medical bills on your credit report aren't even predictive of whether you'll repay another type of loan. That means people's credit scores are being unjustly and inappropriately harmed by this practice," Chopra said. CFPB's research estimates that the new rule would allow 22,000 more people to get approved for safe mortgages each year meaning lenders could also benefit from the positive impact on peoples' credit scores, by being able to approve more borrowers. Some major credit report companies have already taken steps to stop using certain medical debt to calculate peoples' credit worthiness, including Equifax, TransUnion and Experian. FICO and VantageScore also recently started factoring medical debt less heavily into their scores. But 15 million Americans still have $49 billion of medical debt that is hampering their scores, the CFPB found. This rule would extend the practice to all credit reporting in the U.S. Medical debt is extensive in the U.S. It affects two in every five Americans, according to the health policy research organization KFF, and a vast majority have debt in the thousands. Once those debts go to collections, credit scores take a hit, which means car and home loans are harder to come by or are only offered with high interest rates leading to a slippery slope for people who are already struggling with their bills. "Medical debt makes it more difficult for millions of Americans to be approved for a car loan, a home loan or small business loan, all of which in turn makes it more difficult to just get by, much less get ahead. And that is simply not fair," Harris said on a call with reporters Tuesday. Lexi Coburn, 33, first ran into that issue nearly a decade ago. She took on medical debt in 2013, when she was 23 years old and uninsured. Her feet were too swollen to walk, so she went to the emergency room, unsure where else she could go to get medical care without insurance. She was told she had early onset arthritis. The $425 bill from that visit was not in Coburn's budget, so she left it unpaid. Growing up, her family frequently didn't have the income to cover medical expenses, she said, and she felt ill-equipped to handle the medical system any differently as a young adult. Though she was later able to enroll in health insurance through the Affordable Care Act, Coburn's medical debt still grew to over $2,300 including another $1,532 from dental work and a separate ER visit, both in 2019. The consequences became clear when she tried to get a car. "Immediately my medical debt was in the way of qualifying for a good loan that didn't have an outrageous payment per month," Coburn said. "The most frustrating aspect for me was in my mid 20s, when I wasn't making a lot of money, I needed to be able to get transportation to get to my job," Coburn said. She saw a perilous financial cycle mounting. Coburn's bills and subsequently low credit score got in the way of "being able to thrive enough to pay off the debt," she said. "So it just felt like a domino effect." The new CFPB rule also seeks to address the issue of incorrect, confusing and complicated medical bills, which often lead to long, drawn-out disputes between patients and billing departments a complaint that the CFPB, as the agency tasked with consumer empowerment, receives in droves, Chopra said. "Too often, we see that people are receiving bills that are inaccurate. Many patients are fighting over these bills for months, only to find that it then appears on their credit report," he said. Experts who support the CFPB's proposed rule also point to the already-low success rate for collecting on medical bills. "We know empirically that the repayment rates are incredibly low for medical debt, and so it's already the case that people aren't really paying it down. So I don't think this policy change is going to change the behavior that dramatically," said Matt Notowidigdo, a professor at University of Chicago's Booth School of Business who studies health economics. Linda Davis, a 61-year-old resident of Grand Rapids, Michigan, has chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, a type of lung disease, and uses a power wheelchair because of a lower back injury. She said she doesn't think she'll ever pay off her medical bills, which she estimates to be between $45,000 and $50,000. "People might be mistaken and think, oh, well, she's got Medicare, she's all set. That's not the case at all, and it can screw your whole life up. It takes control of your whole life," Davis said. She said her monthly income covers rent, electricity, her cell phone bill and groceries, but that she doesn't have room in her budget for her medical bills. "You find out [after the procedure], you've got all these medical bills, and what are you supposed to do with them all? You know, there's no way on God's green earth I could pay all those medical bills. Even if I paid a small amount every month, I wouldn't live long enough to pay them all," Davis said. To Notowidigdo and many other health economists, addressing the root cause of America's medical debt issue would mean enrolling more people in adequate health care coverage on the front end, "rather than dealing with unpaid medical bills from lack of insurance or not generous enough insurance on the back end," he said. Of course, for now, those large bills and low repayment rates are already a challenge for hospitals and health care systems. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:980804281] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Now THIS is a nice change.https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sweeping-change-biden-administration-ban-medical-debt-credit/story?id=110997906<quote>In a sweeping change that could improve millions of Americans' ability to own a home or buy a car, the Biden administration on Tuesday proposed a rule to ban medical debt from credit reports.The rule, announced by Vice President Kamala Harris and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Rohit Chopra, comes as President Joe Biden beefs up his efforts to persuade Americans his administration is lowering costs, a chief concern for voters in the upcoming election.This is going to be an enormous relief to so many people battling bills when it comes to hospital visits, Chopra told ABC News in an exclusive interview ahead of the policy announcement.The rule, which has been in the works since September, could go into effect early next year."Our research shows that medical bills on your credit report aren't even predictive of whether you'll repay another type of loan. That means people's credit scores are being unjustly and inappropriately harmed by this practice," Chopra said.CFPB's research estimates that the new rule would allow 22,000 more people to get approved for safe mortgages each year meaning lenders could also benefit from the positive impact on peoples' credit scores, by being able to approve more borrowers.Some major credit report companies have already taken steps to stop using certain medical debt to calculate peoples' credit worthiness, including Equifax, TransUnion and Experian. FICO and VantageScore also recently started factoring medical debt less heavily into their scores.But 15 million Americans still have $49 billion of medical debt that is hampering their scores, the CFPB found. This rule would extend the practice to all credit reporting in the U.S.Medical debt is extensive in the U.S. It affects two in every five Americans, according to the health policy research organization KFF, and a vast majority have debt in the thousands.Once those debts go to collections, credit scores take a hit, which means car and home loans are harder to come by or are only offered with high interest rates leading to a slippery slope for people who are already struggling with their bills."Medical debt makes it more difficult for millions of Americans to be approved for a car loan, a home loan or small business loan, all of which in turn makes it more difficult to just get by, much less get ahead. And that is simply not fair," Harris said on a call with reporters Tuesday.Lexi Coburn, 33, first ran into that issue nearly a decade ago. She took on medical debt in 2013, when she was 23 years old and uninsured.Her feet were too swollen to walk, so she went to the emergency room, unsure where else she could go to get medical care without insurance. She was told she had early onset arthritis.The $425 bill from that visit was not in Coburn's budget, so she left it unpaid. Growing up, her family frequently didn't have the income to cover medical expenses, she said, and she felt ill-equipped to handle the medical system any differently as a young adult.Though she was later able to enroll in health insurance through the Affordable Care Act, Coburn's medical debt still grew to over $2,300 including another $1,532 from dental work and a separate ER visit, both in 2019.The consequences became clear when she tried to get a car."Immediately my medical debt was in the way of qualifying for a good loan that didn't have an outrageous payment per month," Coburn said."The most frustrating aspect for me was in my mid 20s, when I wasn't making a lot of money, I needed to be able to get transportation to get to my job," Coburn said.She saw a perilous financial cycle mounting. Coburn's bills and subsequently low credit score got in the way of "being able to thrive enough to pay off the debt," she said. "So it just felt like a domino effect."The new CFPB rule also seeks to address the issue of incorrect, confusing and complicated medical bills, which often lead to long, drawn-out disputes between patients and billing departments a complaint that the CFPB, as the agency tasked with consumer empowerment, receives in droves, Chopra said."Too often, we see that people are receiving bills that are inaccurate. Many patients are fighting over these bills for months, only to find that it then appears on their credit report," he said.Experts who support the CFPB's proposed rule also point to the already-low success rate for collecting on medical bills."We know empirically that the repayment rates are incredibly low for medical debt, and so it's already the case that people aren't really paying it down. So I don't think this policy change is going to change the behavior that dramatically," said Matt Notowidigdo, a professor at University of Chicago's Booth School of Business who studies health economics.Linda Davis, a 61-year-old resident of Grand Rapids, Michigan, has chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, a type of lung disease, and uses a power wheelchair because of a lower back injury. She said she doesn't think she'll ever pay off her medical bills, which she estimates to be between $45,000 and $50,000."People might be mistaken and think, oh, well, she's got Medicare, she's all set. That's not the case at all, and it can screw your whole life up. It takes control of your whole life," Davis said.She said her monthly income covers rent, electricity, her cell phone bill and groceries, but that she doesn't have room in her budget for her medical bills."You find out [after the procedure], you've got all these medical bills, and what are you supposed to do with them all? You know, there's no way on God's green earth I could pay all those medical bills. Even if I paid a small amount every month, I wouldn't live long enough to pay them all," Davis said.To Notowidigdo and many other health economists, addressing the root cause of America's medical debt issue would mean enrolling more people in adequate health care coverage on the front end, "rather than dealing with unpaid medical bills from lack of insurance or not generous enough insurance on the back end," he said.Of course, for now, those large bills and low repayment rates are already a challenge for hospitals and health care systems.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 06/11/24 6:08:26 PM #2:	But what has he TRULY done? I'm just not enticed enough to vote. Maybe next time. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:980804292] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>But what has he TRULY done? I'm just not enticed enough to vote. Maybe next time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 06/11/24 6:08:46 PM #3:	This I like. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:980804298] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>This I like. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/11/24 6:08:47 PM #4:	If the CFPB rule leads to fewer people paying the bills, it could be the patients who suffer, some experts warned. Ge Bai, a professor who studies accounting health policy at Johns Hopkins University, predicted that hospitals will have to make up for that loss in other ways. More stringent payment efforts, like requiring payment before patients receive medical care, could leave low-income patients worse off. "I think in the short run, it will be great news for patients, and probably we'll see patient advocacy groups pushing it. However, I think in the long-run, when the long-term negative effects emerge, probably we're going to see more pushback," Bai said. Industry groups, like the Association of Credit and Collection Professionals, have echoed Bai's concerns. "The CFPB's proposal will have a broad negative impact on businesses, health care providers, patients and consumers because by suppressing information about a consumer's debt, this will increase the cost of medical care and force more upfront payments. The rule, if finalized, would fundamentally alter the U.S. credit-based economy as it is today in terms of reduced consequences for not paying your bills, which in turn will reduce access to credit and health care for those that need it most," ACA CEO Scott Purcell said in a statement to ABC News after the rule was proposed Tuesday. Chopra rejected the notion that more people will default on their health care debts as a result of the rule, saying they'll still have to face other penalties that come with debt. "Those individuals will still be subject to collection actions, lawsuits and more. There are plenty of ways that people get penalized for not paying their bills. I just don't want to see the credit reporting system be weaponized against people who already paid them," Chopra said. These people sound like bad people ^ <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:980804299] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote><quote>If the CFPB rule leads to fewer people paying the bills, it could be the patients who suffer, some experts warned.Ge Bai, a professor who studies accounting health policy at Johns Hopkins University, predicted that hospitals will have to make up for that loss in other ways. More stringent payment efforts, like requiring payment before patients receive medical care, could leave low-income patients worse off."I think in the short run, it will be great news for patients, and probably we'll see patient advocacy groups pushing it. However, I think in the long-run, when the long-term negative effects emerge, probably we're going to see more pushback," Bai said.Industry groups, like the Association of Credit and Collection Professionals, have echoed Bai's concerns."The CFPB's proposal will have a broad negative impact on businesses, health care providers, patients and consumers because by suppressing information about a consumer's debt, this will increase the cost of medical care and force more upfront payments. The rule, if finalized, would fundamentally alter the U.S. credit-based economy as it is today in terms of reduced consequences for not paying your bills, which in turn will reduce access to credit and health care for those that need it most," ACA CEO Scott Purcell said in a statement to ABC News after the rule was proposed Tuesday.Chopra rejected the notion that more people will default on their health care debts as a result of the rule, saying they'll still have to face other penalties that come with debt."Those individuals will still be subject to collection actions, lawsuits and more. There are plenty of ways that people get penalized for not paying their bills. I just don't want to see the credit reporting system be weaponized against people who already paid them," Chopra said.</quote>These people sound like bad people ^</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 06/11/24 6:08:52 PM #5:	yea but does this earn my vote? i mean does it earn it? /s --- April 15, 2024: The Day the Internet Died <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:980804301] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>yea but does this earn my vote? i mean does it earn it?/s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningThief 06/11/24 6:14:47 PM #7:	I'm sure the "its not enough" crowd will chime in soon and claim Biden hasn't done anything. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:980804393] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>I'm sure the "its not enough" crowd will chime in soon and claim Biden hasn't done anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 06/11/24 6:19:04 PM #8:	LightningThief posted... I'm sure the "its not enough" crowd will chime in soon and claim Biden hasn't done anything. They are an ungrateful bunch. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:980804458] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>I'm sure the "its not enough" crowd will chime in soon and claim Biden hasn't done anything.</quote>They are an ungrateful bunch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hikewne 06/11/24 6:19:10 PM #9:	Until the Supreme Court overturns it and somehow twists it into that debtors prisoners are constitutional. --- What are you waiting for? You're free. <cite>Hikewne posted [p:980804461] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Until the Supreme Court overturns it and somehow twists it into that debtors prisoners are constitutional. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReiRei89 06/11/24 6:27:52 PM #10:	The anti-Biden bros still have yet to explain how he's the same as the fat fuck. --- FGO US:973,940,202 JP:410,404,215 Resident Europa fangirl <cite>ReiRei89 posted [p:980804586] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>The anti-Biden bros still have yet to explain how he's the same as the fat fuck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dat_Cracka_Jax 06/11/24 6:28:25 PM #11:	Good! --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 <cite>Dat_Cracka_Jax posted [p:980804592] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Good! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sonixs 06/11/24 6:32:40 PM #12:	Republicans hate this because "reasons" <cite>Sonixs posted [p:980804651] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Republicans hate this because "reasons" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thanatos_the_Great 06/11/24 6:38:53 PM #13:	I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt". --- Re-open board 261. <cite>Thanatos_the_Great posted [p:980804737] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerrillaSoldier 06/11/24 6:42:21 PM #14:	Thanatos_the_Great posted... I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt". ahaha this was done to make more people spend more money, not help people get money --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>GuerrillaSoldier posted [p:980804786] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Thanatos_the_Great posted... </cite><quote>I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt".</quote>ahaha this was done to make more people spend more money, not help people get money </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 06/11/24 6:47:29 PM #15:	Thanatos_the_Great posted... I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt". Exhibit A <cite>LightningThief posted [p:980804868] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Thanatos_the_Great posted... </cite><quote>I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt".</quote>Exhibit A</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 06/11/24 7:22:51 PM #16:	I wonder how long it will take for Republicans to sue and have a court overturn it. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:980805338] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how long it will take for Republicans to sue and have a court overturn it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sandalorn 06/11/24 7:24:21 PM #17:	Thanatos_the_Great posted... I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt". You "Suppose"??? Fucking hell. We deserve Trump. <cite>Sandalorn posted [p:980805363] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Thanatos_the_Great posted... </cite><quote>I suppose this is good, but it would have been better if they'd stopped at "ban medical debt".</quote>You "Suppose"??? Fucking hell. We deserve Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
6_7__8910 06/11/24 7:28:31 PM #18:	Does this mean I dont have to pay my $50 copays anymore <cite>6_7__8910 posted [p:980805437] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Does this mean I dont have to pay my $50 copays anymore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 06/11/24 7:29:34 PM #19:	Sandalorn posted... You "Suppose"??? Fucking hell. We deserve Trump. Thanatos is an English Socialist (maybe Communist? I know they're at least further left than the common American poster). --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:980805453] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Sandalorn posted... </cite><quote>You "Suppose"??? Fucking hell. We deserve Trump.</quote>Thanatos is an English Socialist (maybe Communist? I know they're at least further left than the common American poster). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 06/11/24 8:18:30 PM #20:	Good job, Biden. --- This signature is not political. <cite>ooger posted [p:980806139] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Good job, Biden. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkDaLunatic 06/11/24 8:23:01 PM #21:	Great! I can FINALLY go to the doctor. Then in four years, when they reverse this decision, I will be so royally fucked it will be physically impossible to unfuck me. --- There's a time and place for everything... but not now. <cite>LinkDaLunatic posted [p:980806226] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Great! I can FINALLY go to the doctor. Then in four years, when they reverse this decision, I will be so royally fucked it will be physically impossible to unfuck me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 06/11/24 8:28:59 PM #22:	How long til a court overturns this? I am however surprised the President has the authority to do it without Congress. Good for anyone this helps while it lasts. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980806309] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>How long til a court overturns this? I am however surprised the President has the authority to do it without Congress. Good for anyone this helps while it lasts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 06/11/24 8:36:12 PM #23:	Both slides --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:980806418] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Both slides </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 06/11/24 8:37:00 PM #24:	Nice --- The succotash is suffering. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:980806434] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Nice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 06/11/24 8:51:26 PM #25:	That's pretty damn good actually --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:980806637] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>That's pretty damn good actually </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 06/11/24 8:52:32 PM #26:	This is so --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:980806653] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>This is so </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 06/11/24 9:19:30 PM #27:	LinkDaLunatic posted... Great! I can FINALLY go to the doctor. Then in four years, when they reverse this decision, I will be so royally fucked it will be physically impossible to unfuck me. I don't think you quite understand the point of this. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:980807071] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>LinkDaLunatic posted... </cite><quote>Great! I can FINALLY go to the doctor. Then in four years, when they reverse this decision, I will be so royally fucked it will be physically impossible to unfuck me.</quote>I don't think you quite understand the point of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 06/11/24 9:23:57 PM #28:	6_7__8910 posted... Does this mean I dont have to pay my $50 copays anymore As long as you dont mind dealing with collectors yeah but this has been a thing for awhile. A lot of places already didnt report it. Fuck medical bills <cite>Axiom posted [p:980807153] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>6_7__8910 posted... </cite><quote>Does this mean I dont have to pay my $50 copays anymore</quote>As long as you dont mind dealing with collectors yeah but this has been a thing for awhile. A lot of places already didnt report it. Fuck medical bills</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 06/11/24 9:29:42 PM #29:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7dba20ec.jpg --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:980807226] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7dba20ec.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bleuets 06/11/24 9:42:12 PM #30:	Yay now I dont have to worry about going bankrupt if I get sick <cite>Bleuets posted [p:980807374] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>Yay now I dont have to worry about going bankrupt if I get sick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 06/13/24 10:02:36 PM #31:	really --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:980838937] in In sweepin... [t:80787695]...</cite> <quote>really </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > In sweeping change, Biden administration to ban medical debt from credit reports