Board 8 > Friends Mafia Topic 5 - The One Where Peaf Is In A Pinch

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PeaceFrog posted...

If chang is lying, what is your theory on why there was no kill?

I been struggling with that. it's absolutely not me because foolmo claims roleblocked. so if foolmo is 100% honest then I didn't taunt anything. that's simple.

did scum give it up to hand out a gun? that helps balance out. sacrifice a guaranteed night kill for a 33% chance you'll lose a scummate but also a 66% chance to get 1 or 2 dead town... I'm ok with this.

or they are gambitting with a no kill to get town to implode and are too well hidden to kill any town without showing their hand.

frankly, the fact that town isn't admitting to giving peaf the gun is all we need to know it was scum given.

I still think you never shoot Wallz because that's who Lopen wanted to kill yesterday, and Lopen now has a gun. I think Dumey is town for how Dumey interacted with Sultan and how Sultan interacted with him. Sbell I also like their reactions today to all of this shooting, very natural, and Taunter seems hard to fake.

That leaves Mzero. And I was kind of underwhelmed by his claim. What is the point of keeping the double vote a secret? Like the actual town motivation point? Mzero said the motive to keep it secret was to keep it secret. But why? You cant expect to hold that a secret till the end game and suddenly surprise scum after they hammer a lynch. Why not just be honest about it immediately, and then actually use the double vote to pressure scum? It reminds me a bit of IGCD last game who used his vig shot as an excuse to not join in on the lynches except as a hammer. Its an excellent excuse to not have to do anything. If Mzero is scum then he's probably not lying about the role, and he can secretly double vote. Or even more likely if he is scum he could have a caveat to this role where his double vote only counts if he is the last vote.

AKA, Mzero could be scum secret hammerer and the reason he is not joining lynches or pushing his double vote is so that he can hide this.

Obellisk posted...

frankly, the fact that town isn't admitting to giving peaf the gun is all we need to know it was scum given.

I agree with Sbell on this.

Obellisk posted...

frankly, the fact that town isn't admitting to giving peaf the gun is all we need to know it was scum given.

There's that, and there's also the thing that I'm thinking Isquen must have saw. How would town give out a gun that host confirms someone town if they don't know who town is?

And that also implies there can't be third party because how can scum give a town confirming gun to third party? The only way that works is if it's rng.

and peaf was all but confirmed before being host confirmed so zero losses there. and the chance to get peaf to shoot town and take out two town...
too much positive value for scum here.

I almost want to have peaf just suicide but even the info of two dead town would help sort this out...

Good catch from Isquen on that. I agree, i dont think there can be 3p with that wording.

i think if it were up to me, Im killing wallz or Dumey ultimately. Too often I find myself questioning their motives from the lines they are suggesting.

From everyone elses perspective I can understand wanting to shoot into double protection which did feel like too much to me yesterday. I just dont have a better answer than me blocking the kill last night. And every time we do the math its like we barely have any wiggle room to be wrong, so maybe it balances the game out that way.

chang what was your take when foolmo claimed doctor and you "knew" you were essentially a doctor.

If there were only 3 scum total, meaning 2 left, does that make double protection even less likely? Or doesn't change?

changmas posted...

i think if it were up to me, Im killing wallz or Dumey ultimately. Too often I find myself questioning their motives from the lines they are suggesting.

Elaborate on this.

EDumey posted...

If there were only 3 scum total, meaning 2 left, does that make double protection even less likely? Or doesn't change?

less likely in my eyes and also why does scum hand out a town confirming gun in a 3 man team...
it's 4 scum.

anyone pushing an idea that only 2 scum live right now are trying to tank town.

I thought he was lying and said as much, but I didnt feel like it was enough to lynch him. we literally just had town JK + doctor last game (though the size of the game was a little bigger) so I couldnt entirely rule it out. And I didnt think that was enough to get him lynched because they arent the exact same role.

if he really was doc though I felt like he still had to be the nightkill so I always protect him there. its still possible he was trying to deliver the kill himself but i think thats substantially less likely than being the target

My final answer then is 2 of Chang/Death/Mzero for scum

Maybe I'm wrong if someone else is playing super well, but I wouldn't shoot anyone else with the gun.

changmas posted...

i think if it were up to me, Im killing wallz or Dumey ultimately. Too often I find myself questioning their motives from the lines they are suggesting.

Glad it's not up to you

wallmasterz posted...

Elaborate on this.

For you specifically - spending a lot of time pushing a crackpot theory like peaf is Joey and a traitor didnt sit right with me. It should have been clear to everyone that Peaf had to be town after how day 1 played out. I felt like that was either intended to be a diversion or an attempt to keep that as a mislynch. when that didnt work, maybe the gun went out?

i think there was something else i pointed out earlier today but i am forgetting off the top of my head

but also i just straight up dont believe the role exists. If it was your real role I feel like you would have fake claimed anything else, hell even vanilla. but maybe you cant claim vanilla because a scummate already claimed it? fact of the matter is, no one of either alignment should be claiming that role. best case scenario is that youre like the reverse of that role in some regard (town gets some kind of buff if you are nightkilled) and bluffing to try and draw the shot at yourself. If thats the case, you should claim your real role now

I suppose I should list my targets since I am about to leave

One of Mzero/Dumey/Wallz are who I would shoot.

I am not certain about any of these, so I am glad its not up to me. I dont envy Peaf.
But these feel like players that will always be questioned no matter what.
..
Much like I was last game <.<

Apparently if your role is bad or weird enough you should never claim it. Yeah, no. Im not going to lie just because my role sucks.

I think everyone was a bit too quick to accept peaf as town after Kirby showed up. Obviously I was wrong and Im glad that is the case. If someone thinks Im scummy for not immediately going peaf is 100% town then so be it.

Peaf, make your best educated decision. I have faith in you.

come on, man. I remember you telling partial lies about town roles in the past to conceal information. Youre a better player than saying stuff like apparently if your role is bad or weird enough you should never claim it

PunishedBen posted...

My final answer then is 2 of Chang/Death/Mzero for scum

Maybe I'm wrong if someone else is playing super well, but I wouldn't shoot anyone else with the gun.

Can you elaborate on why you believe foolmo more than Chang?

I have gambited in the past in an attempt to benefit town. I always come clean. Peaf needs to make a shot, Im not going to lie out of self preservation. Thats a lot different than claiming to be a one-shot but Im actually a full time version of a role, or fake a guilty scan on someone as my actual role when cop. In those instances Ive been truthful about my role but fibbed a bit about how it works.

I dont see any advantage to lying about this shitty role.

wallmasterz posted...

I think everyone was a bit too quick to accept peaf as town after Kirby showed up. Obviously I was wrong and Im glad that is the case. If someone thinks Im scummy for not immediately going peaf is 100% town then so be it.

Hey I expressed doubt in Peaf too! And we're both near/on the chopping block. Someone at Big Peaf just wants to keep us down, man.

Trying to give time for Kirby to come back but with this storm kicking up i think I've gotta head back home soon. And jc says to never do any mafia while driving, especially not during a thunderstorm

Yeah that sounds smart. The whole, "not worrying about thinking about mafia while you should be concentrating on not dying irl" thing.

PeaceFrog posted...

Can you elaborate on why you believe foolmo more than Chang?

if we ignore the roleblock, supposing that could have went anywhere night 2, there's still the the results steal that we know scum has. Foolmo claims he was stolen from night 1, and I imagine scum would have wanted to use it on town night 1 when they had no information to get info about if someone moves or not, and they would have no reason to waste it on their own scum member unless they thought Foolmo could last deep into the game. Which I dont think you can do with a doctor claim. Its easier to fake the steal night 2 on Chang than it is to have faked that night 1 on their own.

Kirby321 posted...

If it's unlimited use, does that mean scum and Chang blocked the same person on N2? If so... why the hell is nobody dead if Doc was dead certain roleblocked by scum? It's a free kill!

This is the part that's confusing, if there is a scum RB. There's either an inexplicable missing kill N2, or an inexplicable missing RB N1. Neither is neater than the other.

Another possibility: scum bus driver moved Chang's JK from Peaf to Corrik N1. I would assign this to Sbell since he claimed a target-moving ability, but could be Dumey or whatever. One is scum already has a results stealer AND a role stealer (doppleganger), both of which are RBs with a twist. So having another plain RB among that is strange. It makes more sense to have another target disruptor like bus driver.

Results steal could be one use from Jack and they self claimed it preemptively so it would look better when it happens on n2, if the jack did a different ability on n1.

But then I'm getting a little conspiratorial with that. That's a good point.

Based on the current discussion and confusions, I think MZero is the safest target that Peaf agrees with. Neither his play nor role are town-like.

Finally, check all my claims before shooting me. I claimed doc after fighting several people and daring them to vote me (Dumey, IGCD). I think only 3 other roles were claimed at the time (IGCD, peaf, Sultan) so there were a full 8 other players who could've countered me. I also claimed role stealer, the first time anyone mentioned it. On D2 I was first to claim my action and result. Again, I was the first to mention roleblocking in the entire game. Chang and Death corroborate all my claims and everything I claimed since middle of D1 has been consistent.

I'm also agreed to be one of the worst mafia players ever. But I can pull off a fake claim like that.

I kinda agree with foolmo. If the blind doc claim is carrying him, then oh well. Bringing up the results scanner doesn't give him any credit if he's scum, since it's a scum role. But I think foolmo being scum is the less likely option.

And by saying this, I have rewritten reality to being foolmo scum to make me the most incorrect man to every play mafia.

Meme, written in stone
For my sins I'll not atone
I won't tire of poems

##Kill: sbell

foolm0r0n posted...

Another possibility: scum bus driver moved Chang's JK from Peaf to Corrik N1. I would assign this to Sbell since he claimed a target-moving ability, but could be Dumey or whatever. One is scum already has a results stealer AND a role stealer (doppleganger), both of which are RBs with a twist. So having another plain RB among that is strange. It makes more sense to have another target disruptor like bus driver.

Impossible. Death's journal would have gone to Corrik, then

Peaf stood there with the gun in his hand. His army of soldiers behind him giving support in various amounts of effort. God had spoken, Peaf was the main character. Everything was on his soldiers. Could he make the shot?

David once perhaps made the mistake of his life by going to Minsk instead of spending time with his love. They really hammer that down in the end. I like to imagine his last appearances did not happen and that it was not as simple as a right or wrong. In any case, he was making a choice that affected the rest of his life.

Pete perhaps did the same thing. Well, his relationship with Monica wasnt as well established but it was her or becoming the Ultimate Fighting Champion, he chose the latter. Got completely mauled it appeared.

Peaf made the decision.

SBell has been shot. He was...

I feel like I've conquered the business world, and I feel like I've conquered the intellectual world, and now I-I have the most beautiful woman in the world. There's one thing missing. It's time for me to conquer the physical world.

You are a sweet millionaire who has one of the most ridiculous conclusions to their storyline. The lead up to your relationship with Monica is very wholesome, you really show how dedicated you are to her. Then randomly as it goes well you want to become the Ultimate Fighting Champion, perhaps getting yourself killed later. Its beyond insane. It was a good relationship until then.

You are Pete Becker - TOWN Taunter

You may at night target any one player. Any action that is not unblockable that they have will be redirected to you. If you target a roleblocker, they will be taunted by you. If a roleblocker targets you directly, you will not be able to taunt anyone.

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.

Standing with a smoking gun in his hand, Peaf started to not feel so great either. Along with his army of spectators he fell to the ground as well.

Peaf has died. He was...

While Daryl Hannah is beautiful in a conventional way, you are luminous with a kind of a delicate grace. Then that's when you started yelling.

You are the scientist guy that moved to Minsk to pursue career over being with who was perhaps the love of your life. Scientists are typically extremely good at some things but not at others, which is shown by how you are not aware that Minsk, the city you literally live in, is in Belarus and not Russia.
The Soviet Union hadnt been a thing for a while at this point! I think the episode where David comes back, and dates Phoebe shortly is very strong and it should have been the last we see of him. Its a shame that they end up trashing his character and story to add drama to Phoebe and Mikes relationship with him failing at everything. It was also most likely planned that he should end with Pheobe when they brought him back but still.

You are David - TOWN Spirit

In addition to playing the game, you will have permanent access to Dead Town Chat, which is not informed. You can freely talk in the chat, which will also include spectators. They will not be told that you are town.

You may try to convince any person not in the game to temporarily join the game, though who knows how likely you are to succeed. They must write ##Join in Dead Town Chat during the day to do this. You must then write ##Accept: UserName in chat to have them join. When you do this it is locked in, and they will be allowed to post in the game for the remainder of the current day, as soon as I have given them go in topic. They will not have any vote. They stay in Dead Town Chat during this time as well and can still talk there. You can have a person join the game like this for any new day, but it can not be the same person two consecutive days. Any dead player can not join, it must be a spectator. They can not post the action in advance; it must be day when someone writes it.

You may not copy/paste anything from your role PM directly into Dead Town Chat other than the command they must write, but you may of course paraphrase. You may similarly not copy/paste anything from Dead Town Chat into the game, but you may paraphrase what anyone says, spectator or dead town player. If you die, Dead Town Chat becomes informed.

Dead Town Chat: [Redacted]

You win when all threats to town have been eliminated.

While the day started with no one losing the battle of love. It went on brutally different.

Kirby has vanished. He is no longer in the game. For posting well after a stop he should expect, Kirby also gets the honor of being the first modkilled spectator ever, assuming we are correct that he would be so.

Day now resumes as normal. Everyone may vote again. With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends at 6PM ET Tuesday, 24 hours from now.

You may post again.

Well shit. I was not expecting the SBell pivot after all the talk we had.

No offense peaf but that was not a good shot

##Vote: MZero

If you guys all want to go after Chang or me, I will accept those lynches. Don't hammer until MZero puts a vote down. If you guys believe MZero is a secret double voter and doesn't need to be "tested" but might still be scum because not voting during the day is an obvious conditional power that could be used in a double character scum role, then that's where my vote is at.

also lol @ kirby getting modkilled as spectator.

If there are 3 scum alive, we are currently at MYLO.

I don't believe there are 3 scum. I think it's 2 left. But I guess I don't know that 100%.

Im fine with an mzero lynch for all the reasons I laid out previously. I thought thats who Peaf might shoot but hey

wallmasterz posted...

No offense peaf but that was not a good shot

Seriously. It looks like he did it for the meme. I'd have tried to defend sbell harder and find the posts i liked if I had any idea he was considering it
EDumey posted...

Well shit. I was not expecting the SBell pivot after all the talk we had.

uhhdid anyone want SBell? I didnt even know that was an option on the table. RIP.

i have to admit i did crack up at Kirby getting modkilled as a spectator though lmao.

anyways from here lets just do what we should have done yesterday

##Vote:Dumey

Use this should the current topic reach #450

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80791641

Good one, players of this game. lol!

Peaf shot the one person that would have stayed around to entertain me. T_T

PunishedBen posted...

You cant expect to hold that a secret till the end game and suddenly surprise scum after they hammer a lynch.

maybe you can't. I'm a dreamer

PeaceFrog posted...

Kill: sbell

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c545c447.jpg

changmas posted...

uhhdid anyone want SBell? I didnt even know that was an option on the table. RIP.

i have to admit i did crack up at Kirby getting modkilled as a spectator though lmao.

anyways from here lets just do what we should have done yesterday

##Vote:Dumey

If you think that's what we should have done yesterday then why didn't you swing the vote to Dumey when you had a chance?

MZero posted...

maybe you can't. I'm a dreamer

Well now that the secret's out of the bag, do you have any interest to start voting and using your double vote now to pressure your reads?

PunishedBen posted...

If you think that's what we should have done yesterday then why didn't you swing the vote to Dumey when you had a chance?

I did! then no one else was moving votes with any kind of punctuality, I had to leave and then afterwards everyone goes "oH wHy'D yOu uNvOtE i wAs jUsT aBoUt tO vOtE fOr hIm"

changmas posted...

I did! then no one else was moving votes with any kind of punctuality, I had to leave and then afterwards everyone goes "oH wHy'D yOu uNvOtE i wAs jUsT aBoUt tO vOtE fOr hIm"

I am looking at it now and it is true that everyone was being stingy with committing and the next Dumey vote didnt come from Foolmo until 5 minutes before deadline, so I guess I cant refute that.

I actually called it out at the time.

PunishedBen posted...

This is a comically low amount of people committing to a vote on day 2 with one scum dead. >_> Not sure what that means right now but keep it in mind

Were scum content yesterday to let the lynch fester between two town because neither of them were in trouble?

EDumey posted...

Yeah, some of the missing votes are Corrik, MZero, and Death. SBell is the one that stand out as having a vote missing. IGCD and Foolmo's votes are in dead places.

Corrik and Sbell we now know is town. Foolmo did eventually vote Dumey after this post. I would call out Death and Mzero but Mzero also has the absentee excuse of being asleep at deadline. Still dont like that he has an excuse to never engage with the vote though when a double vote should be town
s be an asset for town.