Current Events > Ten Commandments now required to be displayed in Louisiana classrooms

(+) Yeah! (+)

Let's ask Roy Moore how that worked out for him....

This sort of shit just infuriates me. Not only a blatant violation of the first amendment, but the fact that so many politicians in this ass backwards country still want to force their bronze age mythology on the rest of us as if it's a foregone conclusion that there's any truth whatsoever in that religion. Not to mention the 10 commandments are utterly worthless.

Please do your thing, TST.

ablegator posted...

Isnt the point of Jesus that he came to replace the law and his believers should live in the spirit of love and grace through his redemptive sacrifice?

There's whole, wild arguments about "fulfilled" vs "abolished" the law when it comes to what Jesus said he'd do.

And then there's one of the apostles, in a letter, who says that even if Jesus did all that, if you got circumcised it doesn't matter and you have to follow the Old Law. For reasons. Or no salvation for you.

Antifar posted...

Re: the courts
https://ballsandstrikes.org/scotus/clarence-thomas-establishment-clause/

The text of the first amendment starts with "Congress shall make no law." What if the court rules that "Congress" refers only to the federal legislature?

Incorporation via the 14th Amendment is almost globally accepted for the Bill of Rights amendments.

Of course, sans chucklefucks like Thomas and his ilk.

Also, the Catholics and Protestants have their own sets of commandments. For example, the Protestant one specifically calls out graven images, but the Catholics seem kinda okay with it, since it's not on their list, I guess?

And then there's the Jewish second (third) set of ten commandments, called the ritual commandments (Exodus 34, the last of which is cooking instructions).

Which ten commandments can we put up?

If I lived in Louisiana, I'd demand the Quran and Torah be hung in classrooms too....

Miquella posted...

Keep religion out of classrooms.

I am a proud Christian, and it is really this simple. Putting the Ten Commandments in the face of kids who are required by law to be there is a gross violation of the First Amendment. And just gross.

When are the damn conservatives going to leave everyone alone to lead their own lives.

I'm all for a teacher choosing to display the Ten Commandments in their classroom. Same as if someone wants to bring the Quran, or a holiday menorah. It's culture. That's good for kids.

A law REQUIRING it is more Christo-fascist nonsense using the word of God as a bludgeoning tool. These are despicable human beings.

Ten Commandments in school? YES

Free lunches in school for poor kids? Ehhhhh

Derwood posted...

Ten Commandments in school? YES

Free lunches in school for poor kids? Ehhhhh

The obsession the GOP has with refusing to feed kids in school infuriates me more than anything they do. Including their attempts to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.

People voting Republican need to understand that they are voting for people who actually justified cutting school lunch programs by arguing that there was no evidence that kids performed better in school when they were fed. Can you imagine thinking that way? No decent person can.

Of course, some do understand and think the cruelty is the point.

The GOP is very invested in forcing women to have children, and forcing their beliefs on those children. But they dont have any interest in spending one cent to ensure their basic needs are met.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

I'm all for a teacher choosing to display the Ten Commandments in their classroom. Same as if someone wants to bring the Quran, or a holiday menorah. It's culture. That's good for kids.

A teacher displaying the ten commandments outside of anything other than a world religion course is a hard no. Same for your other examples. You can't just "display them."

If they're present in the classroom at all, they have to be presented in a non-inculcating manner.

There might be an appropriate time and framing for it, but 99% of the time, it will not be an appropriate time.

DnDer posted...

A teacher displaying the ten commandments outside of anything other than a world religion course is a hard no. Same for your other examples. You can't just "display them."

If they're present in the classroom at all, they have to be presented in a non-inculcating manner.

There might be an appropriate time and framing for it, but 99% of the time, it will not be an appropriate time.

What I'm okay with is on their desk same as a family photo or knick knack. I guess "displaying" was a bad choice of word.

I live in a town that has the Ten Commandments displayed in front of the courthouse, so I have that going for me.

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Nope. Their reasoning is the country was founded on Judeo-Christian values (it wasnt) and thus only Christian (sorry, no Judaism allowed) scripture and iconography can be endorsed (mandated) by the state.

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Of course it could be extended. But I'm betting they won't let it be extended to other religions, because "Christians" hypocrisy.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

What I'm okay with is on their desk same as a family photo or knick knack. I guess "displaying" was a bad choice of word.

Yeah, that's a bit different. The First Amendment doesn't require that government-funded spaces are devoid of religion - it just means that any mentions of religion have to be in a manner that they cannot be construed as a public endorsement of said religion. As far as I'm aware, teachers are allowed to display aspects of their life at work, and if that includes religion, then so long as it isn't in an "in-your-face" type of way, or done in order to discriminate against or exclude a student who doesn't share the same religious beliefs, it's usually considered protected under an individual's First Amendment right to self-expression. A teacher can have a Bible in his classroom, but if that same teacher starts reading sermons from the Bible and quoting it to kids who he thinks aren't behaving correctly, then a line has been crossed, since that teacher is now endorsing said religion in a public fashion.

One example of a public display of religion that is acceptable would be the World Trade Center cross in the 9/11 Museum - it is a historical artifact, and as such, its display in the museum is not considered to be an "endorsement" of Christianity (one reason why the ACLU, notorious for its vigilance on issues like this, didn't challenge the presence of the cross in the museum).

The state *mandating* a display of the Ten Commandments in every classroom would clearly be interpreted as the state endorsing said religion (especially since the bill's proponents have admitted as such), and as such should be ruled unconstitutional, but who knows what these Federalist society justices will do.

SSj4Wingzero posted...

As far as I'm aware, teachers are allowed to display aspects of their life at work

Unless they're gay and live in Florida. That would be indoctrination.

https://x.com/therecount/status/1803802937715495213

The whole thing is fucked and all, but uh, the insane ass video of it being signed is killing me.

Genuinely did not expect the direction that took.

dotsdfe posted...

https://x.com/therecount/status/1803802937715495213

The whole thing is fucked and all, but uh, the insane ass video of it being signed is killing me.

Genuinely did not expect the direction that took.

that poor woman on the right has the most "I'm dead inside and forced to be here" look in her eyes I've ever seen

darkace77450 posted...

dotsdfe posted...

https://x.com/therecount/status/1803802937715495213

The whole thing is fucked and all, but uh, the insane ass video of it being signed is killing me.

Genuinely did not expect the direction that took.

Im sure idiot Jeff Landry will soon retract his gleeful support of Trump, since the rule of law is so important and Trump has broken the vast majority of the Ten Commandments over and over again.

Oh, wait, he still supports him wholeheartedly? A Republican politician is a disgusting vile hypocrite? Behold my shocked face.

I heard someone explain how this list they're implementing is specifically that of Protestants, it's not even respectable to other sects of Christianity.

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It does literally say it has to be large enough print to easily read from your seat.

Zikten posted...

This should be at odds with federal law though. How can they do this?

The governor has already said he hopes it gets sued in the hopes it goes to the SC. They overturned a 50 year precedent not only with Roe, however another case when they were ruling in favor of that coach praying on the field after every game.

They're making their decisions based off their religious beliefs and making sure they can become law. Yes, it is against the Cons, however they're going to rule that it's not.

Cartoon_Quoter posted...

Someone has to have the time, the authority, and the will to stop them. And then that someone's boss needs to not say "overruled".

The ACLU has already sued.

kind9 posted...

This sort of shit just infuriates me. Not only a blatant violation of the first amendment, but the fact that so many politicians in this ass backwards country still want to force their bronze age mythology on the rest of us as if it's a foregone conclusion that there's any truth whatsoever in that religion. Not to mention the 10 commandments are utterly worthless.

Please do your thing, TST.

More importantly (related to this case), their justification is that it's essential to our country's founding & laws, however only 2 of the Commandments are even illegal (murder & theft). Most of which, as someone else outlined on page 1, they routinely violate and Trump's broken pretty much every single one.

darkace77450 posted...

Unless they're gay and live in Florida. That would be indoctrination.

Which is why Florida has a lot of teacher vacancies. Even if you're not gay, or if you *are* religious, who wants to work in that type of environment? I gotta figure that even teachers with the same personal beliefs as DeSantis are going to be very wary of working in his state, because everybody knows what the GOP's real aim is - destroying public education so they can redirect tax dollars towards vouchers for private schools that would essentially subsidize private schools for wealthy families.

Incidentally, the fact that they call that a "teacher shortage" is just infuriating. A shortage implies that you're trying to find people and you can't find them - but the truth is that they're running people out of the profession.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1803854375150145867

"Don't look at it."

Fuck you, Lauren Ventrella.

"Don't look at it."

Words she doesn't follow when someone's waving a rainbow flag I'd wager.

darkace77450 posted...

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1803854375150145867

Fuck you, Lauren Ventrella.

Indeed. Heard that line and thought well Ill just put up this Shariah law poster right next to it that youre welcome to not look at.

"I won't answer your question on the grounds that any answer exposes my actual agenda. Here's my talking point that poorly obfuscates said agenda again. Please stop. I can do this all day, because I was raised to never self-reflect, but I'd rather spend that time working on the next assault on those other people I hate."

Cartoon_Quoter posted...

"I won't answer your question on the grounds that any answer exposes my actual agenda. Here's my talking point that poorly obfuscates said agenda again. Please stop. I can do this all day, because I was raised to never self-reflect, but I'd rather spend that time working on the next assault on those other people I hate."

"Kids should have the option! The Option to just don't look at it if they don't like it! NO PRIDE FLAGS!"

Umbreon posted...

"Don't look at it."

Words she doesn't follow when someone's waving a rainbow flag I'd wager.

Or when someone else's kid wants to check out a book from the school library.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e4a5c565.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bf759579.jpg

darkace77450 posted...

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1803854375150145867

Fuck you, Lauren Ventrella.

you can see her short out for a moment

https://twitter.com/cardon_brian/status/1803895234427793874

Robot2600 posted...

we dont move to louisiana we are born here and the jobs pay so little it's very hard to get out!

have some empathy pls!

fuck this law, blatantly unconstitutional. we should put the bill of rights in classrooms instead.

I hear you.