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HylianFox 07/08/24 12:10:15 PM #1:	Especially against an opposing team that supports their guy no matter how a big a piece of shit he is. --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:981204419] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Especially against an opposing team that supports their guy no matter how a big a piece of shit he is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 07/08/24 12:11:38 PM #2:	It's literally 2016 all over again. Hopefully this time there's not a Comey Letter 3 days before the election. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:981204437] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>It's literally 2016 all over again. Hopefully this time there's not a Comey Letter 3 days before the election. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Accolon 07/08/24 12:12:59 PM #3:	Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. --- http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg <cite>Accolon posted [p:981204451] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLiarParadox 07/08/24 12:13:39 PM #4:	Yes they can. --- Spongebob is not a contraceptive. <cite>TheLiarParadox posted [p:981204460] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Yes they can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerrillaSoldier 07/08/24 12:16:33 PM #5:	the fact that no one really knows who should replace him but everyone still wants to force him out is probably the most hilarious part like, there's not even any way this could be considered "a plan" unless you consider "mass panic" a plan --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>GuerrillaSoldier posted [p:981204487] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>the fact that no one really knows who should replace him but everyone still wants to force him out is probably the most hilarious partlike, there's not even any way this could be considered "a plan" unless you consider "mass panic" a plan </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 07/08/24 12:17:12 PM #6:	Accolon posted... Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:981204492] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HANGtheDJ_86 07/08/24 12:17:48 PM #8:	They're gonna need to keep their eggs in a single basket, while counting them before and after they hatch --- I feel well put <cite>HANGtheDJ_86 posted [p:981204505] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>They're gonna need to keep their eggs in a single basket, while counting them before and after they hatch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 07/08/24 12:18:52 PM #9:	feels like some kind of dark destiny for trump to take over. No matter what happens it feels like it benefits trump --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade <cite>solosnake posted [p:981204519] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>feels like some kind of dark destiny for trump to take over. No matter what happens it feels like it benefits trump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 07/08/24 12:19:23 PM #10:	Are they? Or is just republicans and their cronies doing the forcing? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:981204524] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Are they? Or is just republicans and their cronies doing the forcing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 07/08/24 12:21:37 PM #11:	LightHawKnight posted... Are they? Or is just republicans and their cronies doing the forcing? I don't know man Stephen King has a lot of power --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:981204543] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted... </cite><quote>Are they? Or is just republicans and their cronies doing the forcing?</quote>I don't know man Stephen King has a lot of power </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 07/08/24 12:23:20 PM #12:	Yeah, the whole dialogue is pretty silly. He absolutely should have stepped down from being a candidate sometime in the last few years in a sane world, but only a few months away from the election would be nonsensical. His form during the debate was hardly any different than his normal doddering old man mode anyway. <cite>Nemu posted [p:981204565] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the whole dialogue is pretty silly. He absolutely should have stepped down from being a candidate sometime in the last few years in a sane world, but only a few months away from the election would be nonsensical. His form during the debate was hardly any different than his normal doddering old man mode anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 07/08/24 12:27:26 PM #13:	To be honest I used to roll my eyes a little over the constant assertion that Dems were spineless. But jfc, if even a mere one out of five calls for Biden to step down are being made in good faith from within the party, it still drives home the stereotype with a jackhammer. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:981204612] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>To be honest I used to roll my eyes a little over the constant assertion that Dems were spineless. But jfc, if even a mere one out of five calls for Biden to step down are being made in good faith from within the party, it still drives home the stereotype with a jackhammer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hyena_Of_Ice 07/08/24 12:29:11 PM #14:	It wouldn't even work, since all states have deadlines on when you can change the ballot lineup (to absurd degrees; e.g. you can't replace the candidate on the ballot if he goes to jail or withdraws from the race) and in some states, that deadline has already passed. <cite>Hyena_Of_Ice posted [p:981204636] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>It wouldn't even work, since all states have deadlines on when you can change the ballot lineup (to absurd degrees; e.g. you can't replace the candidate on the ballot if he goes to jail or withdraws from the race) and in some states, that deadline has already passed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReiRei89 07/08/24 12:29:46 PM #15:	Biden dying in office isn't a big deal considering he has a capable VP and a fully functional cabinet. People panicking have no solution other than remove Biden and replace him with some perfect imaginary candidate who for some reason or another didn't run 4 years ago or even earlier this year when the primaries started. Also even if Biden were to get replaced most States won't change their ballots. Furthermore Biden dropping out means Biden and Harris donations get locked out. --- FGO US:973,940,202 JP:410,404,215 Resident Europa fangirl <cite>ReiRei89 posted [p:981204640] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Biden dying in office isn't a big deal considering he has a capable VP and a fully functional cabinet. People panicking have no solution other than remove Biden and replace him with some perfect imaginary candidate who for some reason or another didn't run 4 years ago or even earlier this year when the primaries started.Also even if Biden were to get replaced most States won't change their ballots. Furthermore Biden dropping out means Biden and Harris donations get locked out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superbot400 07/08/24 12:32:05 PM #17:	There are so many reasons why having Biden quit would be a potlical diaster for Democrats. Kamala would be the runnerup. Bad Polls is not a excuse to skip democratic proccess because Democratic are afraid of trump. Good Dem Candiate are wasting their poltical captial trying to undo something that They wouldn't be able to fix. They will have to pick a fight with Kamala because the next in line The new cycle would slam Democrats for the chaos that they are making doing it, they are trying to fix with Biden's debate They have to elect a vice president, in what universe do Democrats think Kamala would not be on the ballot. It would be a diaster pretending that they can skip Kamala due to bad polls. They have would have to change the ballots all 50 states. Some Red states will take advantage of this, put Biden/Kamala on the ballot only How are they going to pull all of this in 4 months. It's so **ing dumb. It's entirely due to the fear of Trump. But the obession trying to beat Trump, instead of creating a new democratic platform is why Biden won 2020 primaries. --- http://spinsulin.freeforums.org/the-fantastic-four-respect-thread-t4436.html, my huge ass respect thread. You won't see it. <cite>superbot400 posted [p:981204674] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>There are so many reasons why having Biden quit would be a potlical diaster for Democrats. Kamala would be the runnerup. Bad Polls is not a excuse to skip democratic proccess because Democratic are afraid of trump. Good Dem Candiate are wasting their poltical captial trying to undo something that They wouldn't be able to fix. They will have to pick a fight with Kamala because the next in line The new cycle would slam Democrats for the chaos that they are making doing it, they are trying to fix with Biden's debateThey have to elect a vice president, in what universe do Democrats think Kamala would not be on the ballot. It would be a diaster pretending that they can skip Kamala due to bad polls. They have would have to change the ballots all 50 states. Some Red states will take advantage of this, put Biden/Kamala on the ballot only How are they going to pull all of this in 4 months. It's so **ing dumb. It's entirely due to the fear of Trump. But the obession trying to beat Trump, instead of creating a new democratic platform is why Biden won 2020 primaries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 07/08/24 12:34:14 PM #18:	The whole thing is weird. I think many of the people are downplaying the risks of doing it, but they probably have a point that there is a potential upside if the transition was done really well....but do we really trust Democrats to run any type of open primary or transition from Biden to Harris really well? You also know, regardless of who is picked, these same people would whine about who the replacement candidate is. Hyena_Of_Ice posted... It wouldn't even work, since all states have deadlines on when you can change the ballot lineup (to absurd degrees; e.g. you can't replace the candidate on the ballot if he goes to jail or withdraws from the race) and in some states, that deadline has already passed. I don't think it's actually true that the deadline has passed. Especially since someone isn't even officially the candidate until after the convention, which hasn't happened yet. --- Biden-Harris 2024 https://imgur.com/gallery/o47SI9Y <cite>emblem-man posted [p:981204703] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>The whole thing is weird. I think many of the people are downplaying the risks of doing it, but they probably have a point that there is a potential upside if the transition was done really well....but do we really trust Democrats to run any type of open primary or transition from Biden to Harris really well?You also know, regardless of who is picked, these same people would whine about who the replacement candidate is.Hyena_Of_Ice posted... </cite><quote>It wouldn't even work, since all states have deadlines on when you can change the ballot lineup (to absurd degrees; e.g. you can't replace the candidate on the ballot if he goes to jail or withdraws from the race) and in some states, that deadline has already passed.</quote>I don't think it's actually true that the deadline has passed. Especially since someone isn't even officially the candidate until after the convention, which hasn't happened yet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SilvosForever 07/08/24 12:35:23 PM #19:	There's so many more downsides than upsides. The fact that the people saying he should step down can't even agree WHO should replace him. The fact that some states have openly stated they'd reject requests to change the ballot at this point, taking it to the supreme court. The fact that the donation money until now is for the Biden-Harris campaign and if it's not either of them on the ticket that money isn't necessarily available for the new person. Win or Lose Biden is the one running this November. The sooner people come to accept that the better. There's 4 months until the election. You going to spend the next 2 months of it blasting your nominee in some last ditch power grab? Fuck man. What about the people that would feel Biden got robbed by the "elites" and wouldn't vote for anyone else in the party? Have you factored that calculus into the equation? If the reason to pull him is because he's likely to lose, then show me someone with better odds that wouldn't actually perform much, much worse in November. There's literally no one. --- All your favorite RPGs: http://www.youtube.com/user/silvosforever http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/silvosforever/funnygif.gif <cite>SilvosForever posted [p:981204716] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>There's so many more downsides than upsides.The fact that the people saying he should step down can't even agree WHO should replace him.The fact that some states have openly stated they'd reject requests to change the ballot at this point, taking it to the supreme court.The fact that the donation money until now is for the Biden-Harris campaign and if it's not either of them on the ticket that money isn't necessarily available for the new person.Win or Lose Biden is the one running this November. The sooner people come to accept that the better.There's 4 months until the election. You going to spend the next 2 months of it blasting your nominee in some last ditch power grab?Fuck man. What about the people that would feel Biden got robbed by the "elites" and wouldn't vote for anyone else in the party? Have you factored that calculus into the equation?If the reason to pull him is because he's likely to lose, then show me someone with better odds that wouldn't actually perform much, much worse in November. There's literally no one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Diceheist 07/08/24 12:37:25 PM #20:	They're think Biden polls badly now and is only going to perform worse over time. --- polls > assumptions <cite>Diceheist posted [p:981204739] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>They're think Biden polls badly now and is only going to perform worse over time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krojen 07/08/24 12:39:07 PM #21:	It just depends. If you believe polls are fake and/or would change and its unfair and disloyal to Biden when Republicans dont have to replace their candidate, stick with him. If you believe polling data, then replacing Biden gives a much better chance to win. --- http://i.imgur.com/hI4hAMb.jpg <cite>Krojen posted [p:981204767] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>It just depends. If you believe polls are fake and/or would change and its unfair and disloyal to Biden when Republicans dont have to replace their candidate, stick with him. If you believe polling data, then replacing Biden gives a much better chance to win. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 07/08/24 12:39:42 PM #22:	Trump: Shits the bed at least once in every single rally. "He's our man!!!" Biden: Has one bad debate. "He needs to step down!!!" Fucking clownshow. --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:981204774] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Trump: Shits the bed at least once in every single rally. "He's our man!!!"Biden: Has one bad debate. "He needs to step down!!!"Fucking clownshow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SilvosForever 07/08/24 12:40:08 PM #23:	Krojen posted... If you believe polling data, then replacing Biden gives a much better chance to win. With WHO my guy? If Biden loses, everyone else loses harder. Where's the polls that show ANYONE else performing better in November? --- All your favorite RPGs: http://www.youtube.com/user/silvosforever http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/silvosforever/funnygif.gif <cite>SilvosForever posted [p:981204779] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Krojen posted... </cite><quote>If you believe polling data, then replacing Biden gives a much better chance to win.</quote>With WHO my guy? If Biden loses, everyone else loses harder. Where's the polls that show ANYONE else performing better in November? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 07/08/24 12:43:55 PM #25:	Krojen posted... If you believe polling data, then replacing Biden gives a much better chance to win. Everyone else is polling evenly with Biden. The question is, with increase name recognition from being the nominees will those numbers go up or down? It's not a guarantee it goes up...but it might. Or it might go down. High risk high reward. --- Biden-Harris 2024 https://imgur.com/gallery/o47SI9Y <cite>emblem-man posted [p:981204823] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Krojen posted... </cite><quote>If you believe polling data, then replacing Biden gives a much better chance to win.</quote>Everyone else is polling evenly with Biden. The question is, with increase name recognition from being the nominees will those numbers go up or down? It's not a guarantee it goes up...but it might. Or it might go down. High risk high reward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 07/08/24 12:48:22 PM #26:	It is weird. Even me, someone who decided to not vote for Biden see this as a reckless move. It's better to make Biden to change some policy so he can gain support from undecided voters. The only reason I can think is that Biden refused to change, so they give up on him. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:981204921] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>It is weird. Even me, someone who decided to not vote for Biden see this as a reckless move.It's better to make Biden to change some policy so he can gain support from undecided voters. The only reason I can think is that Biden refused to change, so they give up on him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 07/08/24 12:52:38 PM #27:	it makes no sense to push him out and replace him with Harris. like, she's already on the ticket. im already voting for harris. --- April 15, 2024: The Day the Internet Died <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:981204976] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>it makes no sense to push him out and replace him with Harris. like, she's already on the ticket. im already voting for harris. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 07/08/24 12:54:07 PM #28:	Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:981204992] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 07/08/24 12:55:08 PM #29:	I don't suppose they do think it's a winning strategy. Some have convinced themselves that Biden stands zero chance, and they have nothing to lose by rolling the dice. I do not happen to share their point of view. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:981205007] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>I don't suppose they do think it's a winning strategy.Some have convinced themselves that Biden stands zero chance, and they have nothing to lose by rolling the dice.I do not happen to share their point of view. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 07/08/24 12:59:17 PM #30:	Robot2600 posted... it makes no sense to push him out and replace him with Harris. like, she's already on the ticket. im already voting for harris. Yeah, Harris is already there to take over if Biden passes or otherwise can't perform his duties. If you're someone who doesn't think she's up to it then having her at the top of the ticket instead isn't going to be any better. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:981205078] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite><quote>it makes no sense to push him out and replace him with Harris. like, she's already on the ticket. im already voting for harris.</quote>Yeah, Harris is already there to take over if Biden passes or otherwise can't perform his duties. If you're someone who doesn't think she's up to it then having her at the top of the ticket instead isn't going to be any better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 07/08/24 1:00:31 PM #31:	GuerrillaSoldier posted... the fact that no one really knows who should replace him but everyone still wants to force him out is probably the most hilarious part 1000x this. If the "Biden should step down" folks had a specific candidate in mind who was beloved by the Far Left, Far Right and everyone in the middle, I would still say it's a risk, but maybe. But they don't even have a consensus among themselves. Which means who ever they pick would still have huge groups of people who find something about them they don't like. It terrifies me because it means for MANY Americans Biden being less than perfect is a bigger issue than Trump being a racist, rapist, felon, terrorist, wannabe dictator. it shouldn't be this hard to get people who live in a democracy to vote in favor of a democracy. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:981205098] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>GuerrillaSoldier posted... </cite><quote>the fact that no one really knows who should replace him but everyone still wants to force him out is probably the most hilarious part</quote>1000x this.If the "Biden should step down" folks had a specific candidate in mind who was beloved by the Far Left, Far Right and everyone in the middle, I would still say it's a risk, but maybe. But they don't even have a consensus among themselves. Which means who ever they pick would still have huge groups of people who find something about them they don't like. It terrifies me because it means for MANY Americans Biden being less than perfect is a bigger issue than Trump being a racist, rapist, felon, terrorist, wannabe dictator. it shouldn't be this hard to get people who live in a democracy to vote in favor of a democracy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krojen 07/08/24 1:04:24 PM #32:	The 538 polling analysis Ive seen and pretty much every poll from msm is showing Harris and other candidates fairing equally or better against Trump. I cant find any data showing that replacing Biden would be forfeiting is all. emblem-man posted... Everyone else is polling evenly with Biden. The question is, with increase name recognition from being the nominees will those numbers go up or down? It's not a guarantee it goes up...but it might. Or it might go down. High risk high reward. Finding someone that will speak, campaign, and stand up to a clearly diminished Trump in the next debate would factor into the upside part. No more 24/7 coverage of Bidens poor performances and lack of appearances. My arguments have only leaned on the replacement side because the unanimous opinion here seems to be that its impossible to win if we replace Biden which I cant find evidence for. Im not confident in either approach. --- http://i.imgur.com/hI4hAMb.jpg <cite>Krojen posted [p:981205135] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>The 538 polling analysis Ive seen and pretty much every poll from msm is showing Harris and other candidates fairing equally or better against Trump. I cant find any data showing that replacing Biden would be forfeiting is all. emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>Everyone else is polling evenly with Biden. The question is, with increase name recognition from being the nominees will those numbers go up or down? It's not a guarantee it goes up...but it might. Or it might go down. High risk high reward.</quote>Finding someone that will speak, campaign, and stand up to a clearly diminished Trump in the next debate would factor into the upside part. No more 24/7 coverage of Bidens poor performances and lack of appearances. My arguments have only leaned on the replacement side because the unanimous opinion here seems to be that its impossible to win if we replace Biden which I cant find evidence for. Im not confident in either approach. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 07/08/24 1:33:07 PM #33:	Krojen posted... The 538 polling analysis Ive seen and pretty much every poll from msm is showing Harris and other candidates fairing equally or better against Trump. I cant find any data showing that replacing Biden would be forfeiting is all. Finding someone that will speak, campaign, and stand up to a clearly diminished Trump in the next debate would factor into the upside part. No more 24/7 coverage of Bidens poor performances and lack of appearances. My arguments have only leaned on the replacement side because the unanimous opinion here seems to be that its impossible to win if we replace Biden which I cant find evidence for. Im not confident in either approach. Yeah, I do think it's still possible to win. My most cynical take is that you essentially make Biden fall on the sword and take the blame for the "vibesession". Average voter thinks we're in a recession and that it's all falling apart. Maybe we just need someone to take the [false] blame so that a new person has a clean slate. I've lost faith in the average voter at this point, and if someone new on the ticket, running the same policies is good enough to hype them up, then we do it. --- Biden-Harris 2024 https://imgur.com/gallery/o47SI9Y <cite>emblem-man posted [p:981205467] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Krojen posted... </cite><quote>The 538 polling analysis Ive seen and pretty much every poll from msm is showing Harris and other candidates fairing equally or better against Trump. I cant find any data showing that replacing Biden would be forfeiting is all. Finding someone that will speak, campaign, and stand up to a clearly diminished Trump in the next debate would factor into the upside part. No more 24/7 coverage of Bidens poor performances and lack of appearances. My arguments have only leaned on the replacement side because the unanimous opinion here seems to be that its impossible to win if we replace Biden which I cant find evidence for. Im not confident in either approach.</quote>Yeah, I do think it's still possible to win. My most cynical take is that you essentially make Biden fall on the sword and take the blame for the "vibesession". Average voter thinks we're in a recession and that it's all falling apart. Maybe we just need someone to take the [false] blame so that a new person has a clean slate. I've lost faith in the average voter at this point, and if someone new on the ticket, running the same policies is good enough to hype them up, then we do it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 07/08/24 1:35:32 PM #34:	This has never come up as a serious option TC. You either fell for propaganda or are peddling propaganda yourself. --- Science and Algorithms <cite>lilORANG posted [p:981205507] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>This has never come up as a serious option TC. You either fell for propaganda or are peddling propaganda yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 07/08/24 1:43:50 PM #35:	Krojen posted... The 538 polling analysis Ive seen and pretty much every poll from msm is showing Harris and other candidates fairing equally or better against Trump. I cant find any data showing that replacing Biden would be forfeiting is all. All the people being polled, aren't running for president, which means the media isn't following them around everyday, analyzing thing they says, comment on every outfit they wear, judge them based on every soda they drink. These people all don't have a target on their heads, Biden does. Once someone gets the nominee all their skeletons come out, they are attacked by press and the other side. No matter what their poll numbers are NOW, they will drop off over the next few months as more information and attacks come out. So if no one one can secure mass support Biden stepping down means giving up a sitting president. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:981205604] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Krojen posted... </cite><quote>The 538 polling analysis Ive seen and pretty much every poll from msm is showing Harris and other candidates fairing equally or better against Trump. I cant find any data showing that replacing Biden would be forfeiting is all.</quote>All the people being polled, aren't running for president, which means the media isn't following them around everyday, analyzing thing they says, comment on every outfit they wear, judge them based on every soda they drink. These people all don't have a target on their heads, Biden does. Once someone gets the nominee all their skeletons come out, they are attacked by press and the other side. No matter what their poll numbers are NOW, they will drop off over the next few months as more information and attacks come out. So if no one one can secure mass support Biden stepping down means giving up a sitting president. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarcoRubio 07/08/24 1:44:17 PM #36:	Accolon posted... Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. --- Enjoy New England Coffee's new line of coffees, Dark Roast Select, offering you a new way to drink it darker! <cite>MarcoRubio posted [p:981205620] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShaneMcComez 07/08/24 2:32:02 PM #37:	Democrats need to circle the wagons around our guy. We can't let the news media dictate who are candidate can't be. They have their evil agenda of getting Trump elected as president, and Dems can't fall for their tricks. We're running on saving democracy and Roe V Wade, and Biden is the guy at the top of ticket fighting to keep our rights as human being from being taken away. It's that simple. --- "Never confuse a single defeat with a final defeat." - F. Scott Fitzgerald <cite>ShaneMcComez posted [p:981206350] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Democrats need to circle the wagons around our guy. We can't let the news media dictate who are candidate can't be. They have their evil agenda of getting Trump elected as president, and Dems can't fall for their tricks.We're running on saving democracy and Roe V Wade, and Biden is the guy at the top of ticket fighting to keep our rights as human being from being taken away. It's that simple. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjnelson 07/08/24 2:35:34 PM #38:	HylianFox posted... Dems can't possibly think forcing Biden out last minute is a winning strategy. There is no winning strategy for them now. They screwed the pooch a long time ago. Accolon posted... Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Yup. And I say that as a Democrat... that's tired of the party having its head so far up its own ass that they can see their own tonsils. --- I'm not here for friends. I'm here for the truth to the best of my knowledge of it, even if it's not what people want to hear. <cite>pjnelson posted [p:981206391] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite><quote>Dems can't possibly think forcing Biden out last minute is a winning strategy.</quote>There is no winning strategy for them now. They screwed the pooch a long time ago.Accolon posted... </cite><quote>Democrats are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.</quote>Yup. And I say that as a Democrat... that's tired of the party having its head so far up its own ass that they can see their own tonsils. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CobraGT 07/08/24 2:39:08 PM #39:	Depends If that space between your ears is just an echo chamber. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 <cite>CobraGT posted [p:981206431] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>DependsIf that space between your ears is just an echo chamber. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IceCreamOnStero 07/08/24 2:43:04 PM #40:	Its risky, but so is keeping Biden. Biden's run has turned what should be a slam dunk free election into a uncomfortably close race. You're delusional if you think Biden having the demeanor of someone with soup for brains hasn't been noticed by voters. Its almost like the party should've pivoted towards pushing younger, galvanising, progressive candidates years, if not decades ago. Gosh, who could have ever suggested that. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:981206486] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Its risky, but so is keeping Biden. Biden's run has turned what should be a slam dunk free election into a uncomfortably close race. You're delusional if you think Biden having the demeanor of someone with soup for brains hasn't been noticed by voters. Its almost like the party should've pivoted towards pushing younger, galvanising, progressive candidates years, if not decades ago. Gosh, who could have ever suggested that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 07/08/24 2:45:05 PM #41:	IceCreamOnStero posted... Biden having the demeanor of someone with soup for brains Shut up. God I hate this narrative. He is an old man who has the demeanor of an old man. You are not senile because you move slowly or have speaking gaffs. You can want Biden to not be the nominee without saying shit like this. --- Biden-Harris 2024 https://imgur.com/gallery/o47SI9Y <cite>emblem-man posted [p:981206527] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>IceCreamOnStero posted... </cite><quote>Biden having the demeanor of someone with soup for brains</quote>Shut up. God I hate this narrative. He is an old man who has the demeanor of an old man. You are not senile because you move slowly or have speaking gaffs. You can want Biden to not be the nominee without saying shit like this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 07/08/24 2:48:49 PM #42:	LightHawKnight posted... Are they? Or is just republicans and their cronies doing the forcing? After that debate the Republican want it to be Biden. They can taste blood and see him as someone they can easily beat. That is why many democrats and voters are panicking. That is why many of other are asking for Biden to step down and go with someone else (likely Harris) That said it's going to be Biden vs Trump and most of not all the people calling for Biden to stand down will support Biden. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Best new show of 2023, One Piece live action. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:981206587] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>LightHawKnight posted... </cite><quote>Are they? Or is just republicans and their cronies doing the forcing?</quote>After that debate the Republican want it to be Biden. They can taste blood and see him as someone they can easily beat. That is why many democrats and voters are panicking. That is why many of other are asking for Biden to step down and go with someone else (likely Harris)That said it's going to be Biden vs Trump and most of not all the people calling for Biden to stand down will support Biden. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DUKLegend 07/08/24 2:49:44 PM #43:	ItsNotA2Mer posted... Trump: Shits the bed at least once in every single rally. "He's our man!!!" Biden: Has one bad debate. "He needs to step down!!!" Fucking clownshow. Sigh. Think about WHY we're focused on Biden stepping down as opposed to Trump. Maybe it's because we actually care about the candidate that we want in office. You think liberals calling for Trump to step down actually does something when these people aren't even his supporters? The moderates are what's important here and from an optics perspective, these people see an incapable old man and don't see the evils that Trump could bring about. Who do you think they go with? <cite>DUKLegend posted [p:981206598] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>ItsNotA2Mer posted... </cite><quote>Trump: Shits the bed at least once in every single rally. "He's our man!!!"Biden: Has one bad debate. "He needs to step down!!!"Fucking clownshow. </quote>Sigh. Think about WHY we're focused on Biden stepping down as opposed to Trump. Maybe it's because we actually care about the candidate that we want in office. You think liberals calling for Trump to step down actually does something when these people aren't even his supporters? The moderates are what's important here and from an optics perspective, these people see an incapable old man and don't see the evils that Trump could bring about. Who do you think they go with? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--Zero- 07/08/24 2:49:57 PM #44:	The whole Biden stepping down narrative is a media stunt and people buying into it is worrisome. --- Sig <cite>--Zero- posted [p:981206605] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>The whole Biden stepping down narrative is a media stunt and people buying into it is worrisome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DUKLegend 07/08/24 2:52:09 PM #45:	--Zero- posted... The whole Biden stepping down narrative is a media stunt and people buying into it is worrisome. The media affects donors. Donors affect presidency. You should definitely be worried. Some have already pulled out. <cite>DUKLegend posted [p:981206652] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>--Zero- posted... </cite><quote>The whole Biden stepping down narrative is a media stunt and people buying into it is worrisome.</quote>The media affects donors. Donors affect presidency. You should definitely be worried. Some have already pulled out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 07/08/24 3:18:40 PM #46:	DUKLegend posted... Maybe it's because we actually care about the candidate that we want in office. Then if we don't want a fucking facist who will burn this country to the ground, Biden is our man. See how easy that is? --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:981206999] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>DUKLegend posted... </cite><quote>Maybe it's because we actually care about the candidate that we want in office.</quote>Then if we don't want a fucking facist who will burn this country to the ground, Biden is our man. See how easy that is? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meralonne 07/08/24 3:44:40 PM #47:	Its fucking ludicrous that CNN has been running shit about Bidens age all day. Should he drop out? Does he have Parkinsons? Fox wouldnt dream of being this fucking stupid. CNN and MSNBC should be attacking Trumps bullshit 24/7 instead of fucking handwringing. This shit pisses me off to no end. --- "Sigs are for dorks."-- my wife <cite>meralonne posted [p:981207351] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Its fucking ludicrous that CNN has been running shit about Bidens age all day. Should he drop out? Does he have Parkinsons?Fox wouldnt dream of being this fucking stupid. CNN and MSNBC should be attacking Trumps bullshit 24/7 instead of fucking handwringing. This shit pisses me off to no end. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/08/24 3:45:40 PM #48:	I'm glad Biden has a stubborn streak because he's going to have drag all these panicky Democratic establishment types kicking and screaming to the finish line. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981207366] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad Biden has a stubborn streak because he's going to have drag all these panicky Democratic establishment types kicking and screaming to the finish line.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Quezovercoatl 07/08/24 3:47:19 PM #49:	meralonne posted... Fox wouldnt dream of being this fucking stupid. I was going to say "yes they would, being stupid is the main thing they do" but then I realized you meant like "Fox is for Republicans and wouldn't trash their own guy, so why is CNN trashing the Democrat when they're for Democrats" They aren't though that's your mistake. Especially not now. <cite>Quezovercoatl posted [p:981207392] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>meralonne posted... </cite><quote>Fox wouldnt dream of being this fucking stupid.</quote>I was going to say "yes they would, being stupid is the main thing they do" but then I realized you meant like "Fox is for Republicans and wouldn't trash their own guy, so why is CNN trashing the Democrat when they're for Democrats"They aren't though that's your mistake. Especially not now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meralonne 07/08/24 3:47:54 PM #50:	Fair. Then again, its not solely CNN, its the party as a whole, handwringing when they should be attacking. Best defense is a good offense and all that. --- "Sigs are for dorks."-- my wife <cite>meralonne posted [p:981207401] in Dems can't... [t:80805960]...</cite> <quote>Fair.Then again, its not solely CNN, its the party as a whole, handwringing when they should be attacking. Best defense is a good offense and all that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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