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ssb_yunglink2
08/08/24 8:38:11 PM
#152:


Ragtag28 posted...
Putting words in my mouth. I only said 3 words. Chill my guy. You just love to hate.
okay whyd you say ONLY 200 then. Please explain.

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Ragtag28
08/08/24 8:38:45 PM
#153:


Lol love when people derail the topic to only shit on me when I didn't even say anything significant. But you do you gamefaqs. Stay classy

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DrizztLink
08/08/24 8:40:01 PM
#154:


Remember a few posts ago when I said this would be your fault?

It still is.

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R1masher
08/08/24 8:41:01 PM
#155:


Fuck that guy

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Cemith
08/08/24 8:41:12 PM
#156:


Ragtag28 posted...
Lol love when people derail the topic to only shit on me when I didn't even say anything significant. But you do you gamefaqs. Stay classy

This is the single worst doubling down I may have ever seen on this board.

Check my karma, I've been here for a while. Holy fuck, dude.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...
okay whyd you say ONLY 200 then. Please explain.


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thekosmicfool
08/08/24 8:42:26 PM
#157:


Ragtag28 posted...
Lol love when people derail the topic to only shit on me when I didn't even say anything significant. But you do you gamefaqs. Stay classy

You threw garbage all over the tracks and now accuse others of derailing? scram.

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UnholyMudcrab
08/08/24 8:42:59 PM
#158:


This guy is like Fry on his 100th cup of coffee with how fast he's digging himself a hole

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ssb_yunglink2
08/08/24 8:43:59 PM
#159:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
okay whyd you say ONLY 200 then. Please explain.


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pedro45
08/08/24 10:55:03 PM
#161:


Ragtag28 posted...
Lol love when people derail the topic to only shit on me when I didn't even say anything significant. But you do you gamefaqs. Stay classy
It's significant.
You helped point out there's 4 innocent people year on average being put to death.
I honestly wouldn't think it'd be that high and was hoping it'd be at most 1 a year...

The death penalty needs to go away. How many innocent people literally need to die before proponents will change their mind?
The stats are gross

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TheGoldenEel
08/08/24 11:07:24 PM
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Just to be clear, the 200 number is people who were eventually exonerated before they were executed. The other link I posted shows at least 20 people who were executed that have new evidence showing they were likely innocent

we have no way of knowing the true number of executed people who were actually innocent because once some is executed, theres no way to re-try their case

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Phoro
08/08/24 11:12:59 PM
#163:


Solid_Snake07 posted...
I'm not in favor of the death penalty for pragmatic reasons. That said this dude is a pos not worthy of sympathy.


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andel
08/08/24 11:15:50 PM
#164:


the death penalty is such a barbaric system. it should be the relic of a bygone era, not something still happening at crazy rates to this day.

the argument that some people 'deserve' death is such a shit perspective. yeah, obviously some people are wastes of air, but the problem comes in with the state executing people. our criminal justice system has been shown time and again to be wildly imperfect when it comes to executing and imprisoning innocent people. there have been people executed in the last couple years that were almost certainly innocent, and others that were mentally handicapped and mentally ill. there is absolutely no justification for state executions beyond naked bloodlust.

life imprisonment removes the most dangerous people from society while not potentially killing innocent people. life imprisonment is also cheaper for the state than a death sentence. the worst murderers and rapists and child abusers should be removed from society, but they should be removed from society via forever imprisonment. capital punishment accomplishes absolutely nothing positive for society in any way while the potential negatives are catastrophic

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andel
08/08/24 11:19:43 PM
#165:


also the idea that we only use the death penatly when someone is obviously guilty is an awful argument. the burden of proof for a criminal conviction is already supposed to meet that requirement and if the death penalty is an option we will always have prosecutors seeking it regardless of circumstances.

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Mr_Karate_II
08/08/24 11:37:10 PM
#166:


I feel no sympathy for him.


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ItsNotA2Mer
08/08/24 11:39:16 PM
#167:


Ragtag28 posted...
I didn't even say anything significant.

Your posting history in summation. Bye now.

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GranAures
08/09/24 3:06:15 AM
#169:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

It's like he thinks we don't understand context.

Further that's the number exonerated and the same source cites at least 4% beyond that are still executed despite being innocent. So, 200 were released before the state fucked up and any execution has a 4% miss rate.

Little bit of a strang comparison point below. Nobody needs to respond to it, but just mill it over.
We are more likely to execute an innocent person than a trans individual is to get being trans wrong. And the latter is what's being pushed to be harder.

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kingdrake2
08/09/24 4:20:30 AM
#170:


he's dead....

closed his account.

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GranAures
08/09/24 4:51:39 AM
#172:


thekosmicfool posted...
Well, this country has shown that an unlimited amount of dead schoolchildren is a fair price to pay for unfettered access to murder machines, so it's not the least bit surprising.
I wanted to say that too but I felt it would be in poor taste.

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punkfanalways
08/09/24 5:33:11 AM
#173:


Im still sickened by that case a few months back of the guy being executed even though it was heavily implied he was innocent and even the prosecution wanted a stay.
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AbstraktProfSC2
08/09/24 6:58:12 AM
#174:


people itt defending this guy is fucking weird

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GranAures
08/09/24 7:02:39 AM
#175:


Today I learned being againstbthe death penalty means you're defending criminals. Wonder if you take the same take with being against prison violence.

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ai123
08/09/24 7:03:49 AM
#176:


AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
people itt defending this guy is fucking weird
People who try to push opposing the death penalty as 'defending criminals' are the very height of fucking weird.

Not to mention fundamentally dishonest.

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GranAures
08/09/24 7:08:32 AM
#177:


The death penalty kills innocent people and should be abolished this man is innocent.

In fact, several have stated a lack of sympathy for this fuck.

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shnangyboos
08/09/24 7:12:22 AM
#178:


ai123 posted...
People who try to push opposing the death penalty as 'defending criminals' are the very height of fucking weird.

Not to mention fundamentally dishonest.


Honestly, I keep seeing "I have no sympathy for this guy", or different variations, and I'm like, why the hell do you feel the need to put that in there, as the starting assumption should be you aren't sympathetic towards a murderer. But dudes like that are why people feel the need to say what should just be understood.

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ai123
08/09/24 7:12:38 AM
#179:


GranAures posted...
The death penalty kills innocent people and should be abolished this man is innocent.

In fact, several have stated a lack of sympathy for this fuck.
The base line for sympathy is now 'I don't think this person should be put to death by the State'.

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ai123
08/09/24 7:24:26 AM
#181:


AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
theres innocent people in prison
theres people in prison for weed possession even though its mostly legal

maybe you should be questioning the judicial system if youre worried about innocent people instead of having any sympathy for a crystal clear murderer and baby rapist
WAT

"too harsh of a punishment" is odd to me in this case. thats all
Best if we don't let a questionable judicial system put people to death then, eh?

If they can't get minor drug violations right, they shouldn't really be trusted with executions, should they?

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AbstraktProfSC2
08/09/24 7:33:42 AM
#182:


ai123 posted...
Best if we don't let a questionable judicial system put people to death then, eh?

If they can't get minor drug violations right, they shouldn't really be trusted with executions, should they?

then fix the judicial system and be worried about that first
should Osama Bin Laden have been given a chance? "think about his family!" "maybe he couldve taught people terrorism is wrong!" are you joking rn

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shnangyboos
08/09/24 7:36:02 AM
#183:


This dude is dumb as fuck.

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Heineken14
08/09/24 7:37:16 AM
#184:


AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
people itt defending this guy is fucking weird

I joined this topic late and not going to go through 170 posts, can you point out people defending this guy?

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ai123
08/09/24 7:43:37 AM
#185:


AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
then fix the judicial system and be worried about that first

And let innocent people die in the meantime? Why would you want to do that?

should Osama Bin Laden have been given a chance? "think about his family!" "maybe he couldve taught people terrorism is wrong!" are you joking rn

Good grief.


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CyricZ
08/09/24 7:51:57 AM
#186:


Well this has been going on for a while so I'll just say what I always say:

Abolish the death penalty.

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Prismsblade
08/09/24 8:06:28 AM
#187:


I support the death penalty but bad luck aside I really am curious how terrible a def lawyer has to be in modern day to allow an innocent client to be convicted of crimes severe enough to warrant the death penalty without a reasonable doubt.

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ai123
08/09/24 8:29:35 AM
#188:


Prismsblade posted...
I support the death penalty but bad luck aside I really am curious how terrible a def lawyer has to be in modern day to allow an innocent client to be convicted of crimes severe enough to warrant the death penalty without a reasonable doubt.
Many defendants cannot afford a good lawyer.

Public defenders are extremely overworked and do not have the time to mount the most effective defence.

Police and prosecutors conspire in shady practice.

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CyricZ
08/09/24 8:31:29 AM
#189:


Prismsblade posted...
I really am curious how terrible a def lawyer has to be in modern day to allow an innocent client to be convicted of crimes
"Why aren't you stopping me from doing the bad thing?"

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GranAures
08/09/24 8:53:19 AM
#191:




To note: questioning the "wisdom" of the death penalty is questioning the judicial system. None of those innocent people should be in prison either, but this thread is concerning state sponsored executions. Incarceration can be rectified, death cannot.
having any sympathy for a crystal clear murderer and baby rapist
Point out my "sympathy."

You won't find it because you want to equate being against the death penalty to defending criminals.

People tried to claim the same about wanting to lock Derek Chauvin up too.

I really am curious how terrible a def lawyer has to be in modern day to allow an innocent client to be convicted of crimes.
Lack of exonerating evidence or evidence found too late, witnesses being unwilling or unavailable to testify, urging to take a plea regardless of guilt or innocence. I'm sure the list goes on but those immediately jump to mind.

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UnholyMudcrab
08/09/24 9:02:52 AM
#192:


Oh boy, looks like we're set up for a second suspension here.

Edit: Lmao, I just noticed that other guy went and closed his account after he got hit. Now that's some good shit.

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Cemith
08/09/24 11:07:07 AM
#193:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Oh boy, looks like we're set up for a second suspension here.

Edit: Lmao, I just noticed that other guy went and closed his account after he got hit. Now that's some good shit.
Good bye and good fucking riddance. Only other person I've seen with that level of hubris was SMIB, and he got banned. What the hell, man.

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Cemith
08/09/24 11:07:53 AM
#194:


AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
then fix the judicial system and be worried about that first
should Osama Bin Laden have been given a chance? "think about his family!" "maybe he couldve taught people terrorism is wrong!" are you joking rn
This is only the second dumbest post ITT (deleted posts included)

But also, a ? Block with 10 AMP

yeah.....

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justaguy3492
08/09/24 11:20:27 AM
#195:


I'm against the death penalty for the sole reason that it's possible for an innocent person to be put to death. But if we decide that someone is so bad that they can't ever be rehabilitated and released back into society then what is the point of keeping them in prison for the rest of their life? Just punishing them?

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TheGoldenEel
08/09/24 11:23:38 AM
#196:


justaguy3492 posted...
I'm against the death penalty for the sole reason that it's possible for an innocent person to be put to death. But if we decide that someone is so bad that they can't ever be rehabilitated and released back into society then what is the point of keeping them in prison for the rest of their life? Just punishing them?
Do we have to keep repeating that sometimes that decision is made incorrectly

i guess we do

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Cemith
08/09/24 11:23:59 AM
#197:


justaguy3492 posted...
I'm against the death penalty for the sole reason that it's possible for an innocent person to be put to death. But if we decide that someone is so bad that they can't ever be rehabilitated and released back into society then what is the point of keeping them in prison for the rest of their life? Just punishing them?
Yes? Even pragmatically it's cheaper to keep them in Prison away from the populace than it is to execute them.

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ItsNotA2Mer
08/09/24 12:54:45 PM
#198:


justaguy3492 posted...
what is the point of keeping them in prison for the rest of their life?

justaguy3492 posted...
someone is so bad that they can't ever be rehabilitated and released back into society

Answered your own question.


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thekosmicfool
08/09/24 5:45:19 PM
#200:


AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
people itt defending this guy is fucking weird

Gimme post numbers of people "defending" this person. A few felt sorry for his daughter but other than that, fuck off with this nonsense.

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