Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 434: The Adams Felonies

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red13n
10/01/24 10:25:18 PM
#205:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Opened with the Iran strike as question 1.
Kind of, they actually asked a weird hypothetical question that both candidates honestly rightfully ignored.

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AuraChannelerCh
10/01/24 10:30:18 PM
#206:


Hoo boy, now talking about Trump's attempts to cry fraud at the 2020 election's results. Surely Vance wil-

Vance: We need to focus on Kamala Harris's problems for the country. That's a bigger problem.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 10:31:27 PM
#207:


There is absolutely no way for Vance to answer this question lol

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 10:32:34 PM
#208:


"In the last 4 years and the last 4 years"

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AuraChannelerCh
10/01/24 10:32:37 PM
#209:


Aaaand Vance is completely derailing the question by blaming everything on Kamala.

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Obellisk
10/01/24 10:37:22 PM
#210:


That is a damning non-answer

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 10:37:26 PM
#211:


Vance refuses to say Trump lost the 2020 election.

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AuraChannelerCh
10/01/24 10:37:47 PM
#212:


Walz: Book banning is censorship.

Vance: Kamala is trying to censor us all.

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Bat178
10/01/24 10:38:03 PM
#213:


Vance crying about censorship when his team wants to ban porn...

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 10:40:12 PM
#214:


DREADFUL place to go to commercial break on for Vance, with those last statements from Walz. You just know that he was instructed that he could NOT say Trump lost in 2020.

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AuraChannelerCh
10/01/24 10:41:53 PM
#215:


Vance complained that Hillary Clinton didn't accept Trump's win because Russia interfered was surely his attempt to make January 6th incident just as bad as that was.

Big difference here is Hillary did not raise a freaking riot and incited people to cry bloody murder at the capitol to change the results by force.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 10:46:51 PM
#216:


"We didn't talk about energy"

You extensively talked about energy!

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Bat178
10/01/24 10:46:59 PM
#217:


And of course Vance can't help but sling shit at Kamela during his closing statement...

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AuraChannelerCh
10/01/24 10:50:43 PM
#218:


Chances that Vance will act like a brat about this debate at the next rally are high.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 10:51:21 PM
#219:


While there was mudslinging, it was less vitriolic than I expected.

I actually appreciate and am surprised that Vance made no effort to target the stolen valor nonsense, feels like even he knows it's a bad look.

......Also pretty surprised how....friendly they seemed with each other in that post debate conversation that was off mic.

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Bat178
10/01/24 10:51:33 PM
#220:


WTF!!!! How do 89% of people think Vance won that?!!

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 10:52:25 PM
#221:


I'm watching the ABC discussion and they're realizing how weird it is to see a completely normal debate after all this time.

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Bat178
10/01/24 10:54:08 PM
#222:


Who is that poll I mentioned in the previous page going out to?!!

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Forceful_Dragon
10/01/24 10:55:34 PM
#223:


Bat178 posted...
Who is that poll I mentioned in the previous page going out to?!!

1) It's not on the previous page. If you don't have 50 posts per page then you are doing something wrong.

2) How are we supposed to know? You are the one who is quoting that figure. Did you find it on Newsmax or fox news?

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AuraChannelerCh
10/01/24 10:55:43 PM
#224:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I'm watching the ABC discussion and they're realizing how weird it is to see a completely normal debate after all this time.
Besides Vance trying to give fear of Kamala at every weird chance he got...mostly.

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Bat178
10/01/24 10:56:47 PM
#225:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
1) It's not on the previous page. If you don't have 50 posts per page then you are doing something wrong.

2) How are we supposed to know? You are the one who is quoting that figure. Did you find it on Newsmax or fox news?
The Issue. Relatives of mine had it on.

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Lopen
10/01/24 10:58:15 PM
#226:


I think Vance won in a way

Like if you curve to expectations Vance exceeded them a lot and Walz kinda just did what you'd expect.

Earnest vibes Walz crushed and Vance felt phony many times, but Vance came off as competent and sane which is better than Trump has. HOWEVER I almost wonder if the Trump base that isn't total Trump homer wouldn't have been turned off by him cause he felt very much like the kinda thing Hillary Clinton was decried for.

I'd say Walz won but I could at least see the argument that Vance won it. It was a close debate.

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foolm0r0n
10/01/24 11:01:05 PM
#227:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
1) It's not on the previous page. If you don't have 50 posts per page then you are doing something wrong.
The guy is clearly challenged

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 11:03:37 PM
#228:


Tie seems like the right answer. Really doesn't feel like either took it away. Obviously as far as how I LIKED the answers that's different lol.

I guess if you pressured me I'd pick Walz as the winner just because he had 1 gaff compared to Vance's 2, and Vance's gaffs were strong soundbites while Walz's was just a drawn out awkward answer about the Tianemen thing.

Vance was not nearly as vitriolic as I expected though, guess he really wants to get those approval ratings up and keep himself viable if he loses.

There was absolutely no winning the J6 question. Ending on that can't have felt good.

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kevwaffles
10/01/24 11:12:30 PM
#229:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Vance was not nearly as vitriolic as I expected though, guess he really wants to get those approval ratings up and keep himself viable if he loses.

I feel like that's the wrong play for him. He has no political future if he loses this. He'll get primaried out of his Senate seat.

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foolm0r0n
10/01/24 11:28:28 PM
#230:


The strategy does seem nonsensical. But I'm also trying to imagine a strategy for a Trump VP that would make sense, and there really aren't any. Anyone else would have to the same thing: Be as boring and subservient as possible (i.e. minimize gaffes) and then cross your fingers that you win.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 11:35:12 PM
#231:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/111a2684.jpg

Yeah pretty much lol

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UshiromiyaEva
10/01/24 11:50:41 PM
#232:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/85befc1a.jpg

Even break in improvement here too lol.

This might put Vance at a dead even favorability, but possibly still under but a couple points.

Walz however going to be even more significantly ahead of every other candidate in the race, including Harris, than he was before.

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Econometrician
10/01/24 11:50:42 PM
#233:


Vance may have tried the economic pitch, but it looks like it didn't work out. Data shows that while Covid was not Trumps doing, it was the Biden's administration that was undoing the economic damage caused by Covid. And while countries like China was also hit by Covid, they were have lower growth(but not negative unlike the US), Biden brought GDP growth back up percentage wise. Inflation came along with nominal GDP, but it has since decreased from its peak in 2021-2022. It is reflected in gas prices going back to its steady state equilibrium. But I got a question for Vance. Can he beat God's number? Or make moves less than the optimum of <= 20?
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AuraChannelerCh
10/02/24 12:10:50 AM
#234:


The only reason Vance seemed strong was because he'd be dead meat if this had happened more often to all the things he was trying to dodge so hard with "Kamala is a threat":

https://twitter.com/KamalaHQ/status/1841291195919606165

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metroidcomposite
10/02/24 12:19:13 AM
#235:


https://x.com/TheLincoln/status/1841315025916489932

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Lopen
10/02/24 12:21:39 AM
#236:


Oh I don't think Vance seemed strong just the bar was SO LOW for him that a civil demeanor and looking to reach some base standard of intelligence was a massive overperformance.

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Bat178
10/02/24 12:23:50 AM
#237:


metroidcomposite posted...
https://twitter.com/TheLincoln/status/1841315025916489932


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metroidcomposite
10/02/24 12:35:09 AM
#239:


https://twitter.com/MrSantosNY/status/1841303668022198293

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Umbreon
10/02/24 1:11:43 AM
#240:


metroidcomposite posted...
https://x.com/TheLincoln/status/1841315025916489932


Lmfao NYT isn't even pretending they're not bought and paid for.

Also, x links finally embedded.

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foolm0r0n
10/02/24 1:14:22 AM
#241:


The reason why JD won the debate is because it was 2 hours of camera off of Trump. But that won't last long.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/02/24 1:30:59 AM
#242:


https://twitter.com/sarkastikb/status/1841168009177468992?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ



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UshiromiyaEva
10/02/24 1:41:13 AM
#243:


....Who has the highest approval rating in the country right now?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1c25df28.jpg

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ivysnow
10/02/24 3:14:54 AM
#244:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f5935aa2.jpg

lol
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UshiromiyaEva
10/02/24 3:19:07 AM
#245:


8 point margin of error there doing a lot I imagine.

Of all the charts from tonight though, this is the most damning.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3663a4b0.jpg

Republicans were blindsided by Roevember in 2022. Gotta wonder if we're headed down that same path, no lessons learned.

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ivysnow
10/02/24 3:23:46 AM
#246:


trump is absolutely keyed in to how much abortion matters which is why he keeps trying to spin the roe decision as a states rights issue and keeps all caps truthing about how he won't sign a federal abortion ban as president

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foolm0r0n
10/02/24 9:10:00 AM
#247:


His base cares deeply about a national ban, or at least a pseudo-national ban like with the drinking age. They hate that some states are legalizing abortion in their constitutions.

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Lopen
10/02/24 9:21:43 AM
#248:


I think if Trump really cared about a national ban it'd have slipped by now to be honest. I think this is an issue he earnestly doesn't care about in either direction (he doesn't care about women's rights a lick but also doesn't actually have any moral issue with abortion) and is just playing to whatever he feels helps his support base most.

I could absolutely see him doing the national ban because he would be proud of having it as a legacy thing but he might also consider helping overturn Roe V Wade to be enough to appease him there. I wouldn't panic about things getting worse aside from a non Roe V Wade world being more status quo if he gets elected in any case.

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Bat178
10/02/24 9:27:14 AM
#249:


Lopen posted...
I think if Trump really cared about a national ban it'd have slipped by now to be honest. I think this is an issue he earnestly doesn't care about in either direction (he doesn't care about women's rights a lick but also doesn't actually have any moral issue with abortion) and is just playing to whatever he feels helps his support base most.

I could absolutely see him doing the national ban because he would be proud of having it as a legacy thing but he might also consider helping overturn Roe V Wade to be enough to appease him there. I wouldn't panic about things getting worse aside from a non Roe V Wade world being more status quo if he gets elected in any case.
His backers are really trying to push a national pornography ban, even though he doesn't seem interested in it at all.

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Lopen
10/02/24 9:30:56 AM
#250:


Bat178 posted...
His backers are really trying to push a national pornography ban, even though he doesn't seem interested in it at all.

He doesn't REALLY seem interested in an abortion ban at all either. He talks about it because it's something he has to. It's not something you can just brush aside like a pornography ban is.

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foolm0r0n
10/02/24 9:46:22 AM
#251:


He doesn't give a shit about anything other than legacy, but he is signaling hard that he will satisfy evangelicals and the party, who both want a national ban for different reasons. There's no reason he wouldn't do a porn ban too if they reward him enough for it. Enough Trumper-led states have done it already.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/02/24 11:45:33 AM
#252:


https://x.com/Aisle518/status/1841480785867805055?t=R5xptNLzOCOQz2nnnVS2Bw&s=19

Hilarious to me that Slotkin is easily one of if not the most successful Senate fundraisers in the country, and she does it by gaslighting Dems AND Republicans by saying "Ohhhh I dunno I think things are looking pretty rough in Michigan, we're probably gonna lose!"

She does it every single time, and it always works lol.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/02/24 12:25:04 PM
#253:


https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1841209959008063941?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

Sweet mother of god.

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MMXcalibur
10/02/24 12:39:41 PM
#254:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1841209959008063941?s=46&t=v9nzYLLBIiNYrqldFs9NWQ

Sweet mother of god.

Not sure if I want to live to 100.

That looks awful....

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UshiromiyaEva
10/02/24 12:48:12 PM
#255:


Just hold out for 2 more weeks Jimmy!

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