Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic Episode 446: The Empire Strikes Back

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I'm sure someone else has a great pun in their back pocket, sorry for phoning it in.

I would never make a topic but if I did I would have gone Youve activated my Trump card

I can't believe Hogan vs Kamala happened for the biggest title in the world and then D Generation X did a run in

Looks like we're probably avoiding the worst case in the Senate; might be possible to win it back in 2026

https://twitter.com/lxeagle17/status/1854296713080787313

Dems winning the House still looks possible but unlikely:

https://twitter.com/lxeagle17/status/1854306802608849111

"Somehow Trump returned"

LordoftheMorons posted...

Looks like we're probably avoiding the worst case in the Senate; might be possible to win it back in 2026

Dems are going to need to flip at least 3 seats to take back the Senate, and looking at the states that are up in 2026 there just aren't enough winnable ones for that to happen.

this sucks

I firmly place the blame on the people who voted for Trump; however, I do hope dems learn some lessons from this (like maybe courting "moderate republicans" is the wrong strategy)

If the numbers being reported that Kamala actually ended up with less Republican voters than Biden are true, then I would like to claim my told you so kudos on this one.

Not to rub it in anyone heres faces, but so that I can cope.

yeah it's become clear the whole "never-trumper" thing was the delusion of a clutch of career conservative pundits and retired/retiring politicians

honestly, I've spent the last few months holding my tongue around my more centrist dem friends, because everytime I voiced something critical about harris they would freak out on me. I find it a mind boggling decision that she squandered any momentum she got after the dnc and the first debate by pursuing the cheney vote and bragging about owning a glock.

again though... she still should've won

No, seriously, how many people are going to loudly complain when they notice they don't have retirement money anymore.

Xeybozn posted...

Dems are going to need to flip at least 3 seats to take back the Senate, and looking at the states that are up in 2026 there just aren't enough winnable ones for that to happen.

It would be very uphill for sure, but if there's a big enough backlash to Trump they could possibly get Iowa, Maine, and North Carolina (and maaaaaybe Texas).

colliding posted...

this sucks

I firmly place the blame on the people who voted for Trump; however, I do hope dems learn some lessons from this (like maybe courting "moderate republicans" is the wrong strategy)

They are absolutely going to go more moderate as a result of this.

Ernst, Tillis and Collins are probably somewhat vulnerable, yeah. But I think Sullivan in Alaska is more likely to get randomly flipped than Cornyn.

Holding Peters and Ossoff could be trouble, though.

Maniac64 posted...

They are absolutely going to go more moderate as a result of this.

This. The Democratic Party failing to learn a single right thing from any elections is why we're here now.

ivysnow posted...

yeah it's become clear the whole "never-trumper" thing was the delusion of a clutch of career conservative pundits and retired/retiring politicians

I mean it definitely exists and a few of us on B8 probably fall into that bucket. But it's on the order of the typical 1.5% that Libertarians get every election. And honestly in this election, most just stayed home. It's kinda a big leap from Never Trump to Kamala.

AuraChannelerCh posted...

No, seriously, how many people are going to loudly complain when they notice they don't have retirement money anymore.

Investment accounts are going to explode with the low interest and money printing. You'd better have all your assets in an inflation-proof account like that within the next 12 months.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Looks like we're probably avoiding the worst case in the Senate; might be possible to win it back in 2026

https://twitter.com/lxeagle17/status/1854296713080787313

Dems winning the House still looks possible but unlikely:

https://twitter.com/lxeagle17/status/1854306802608849111

I'm looking at the NV map and Rosen's lead %wise is very small in Clark + Washoe compared to Brown's massive one in Nye county, which is still only half-counted

Might depend on where exactly the votes come from, but I'm not optimistic

colliding posted...

honestly, I've spent the last few months holding my tongue around my more centrist dem friends, because everytime I voiced something critical about harris they would freak out on me. I find it a mind boggling decision that she squandered any momentum she got after the dnc and the first debate by pursuing the cheney vote and bragging about owning a glock.

again though... she still should've won

We're going to litigate 2024 for the next 8 years even harder than we've litigated 2016 in the last 8 years, aren't we

Esuriat posted...

Holding Peters and Ossoff could be trouble, though.

I love Ossoff, so I hope we can keep him. We can hope that these first 2 years are a disaster, and of course historically Republicans are a lot less likely to get out in force for non-prez elections.

Anyway I think a lot of us here could do with reading this:
https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-trump-wins/

Despite a lot of valid anger and despair, corrik is right. We might not want to ally with people who voted for trump. But they're the key to getting us out of the mess that they threw us into. If we can't make inroads, if we can't help but disdain those that we see as worse than us, we're doomed to fail and we won't save much that we care about. It's a tough pill to swallow, and I am going to struggle with it. But it's our only hope of containing the crazy.

They threw us into this mess proudly so no thanks imo

I hear you. And I know saying "don't hold grudges" while the man who most embodies the opposite is the one that they elected.

But we are not the majority. Being picky with allies is not really a luxury we can afford.

Obviously stay safe and don't let people into your life who make it worse. Establish boundaries, don't let them think they get to be chummy after this, sure. I agree and that's not what I'm suggesting.

The lesson I'm currently trying to internalize here is we're not going to get in the other side of this by ourselves. We're going to need to find unlikely allies in fucked up places. And we can't push them away just because it's their fault to begin with.

It's not going to be tomorrow. But it is going to be eventually.

Political journalist Batya Unger-Sargon considers herself a swing voter. On News Nation, she said she can be had and is here for the taking. Considering she's a woman, maybe she should have worded that differently.

Janus5k posted...

I'm looking at the NV map and Rosen's lead %wise is very small in Clark + Washoe compared to Brown's massive one in Nye county, which is still only half-counted

Might depend on where exactly the votes come from, but I'm not optimistic

Well, Clark has something like 37x the population of Nye, so it's mostly going to be a function of what percentage Rosen gets of the remaining Clark and Washoe votes.

I honestly kinda hope the next Democrat running just calls the other side shit as much as humanly possible. Its apparently what gets votes and what the Americans want so why not! No point trying to work together with what the Republican Party has become.

79% of Jews ended up voting for Harris based on exit polling:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/671962/79-of-jews-voted-for-kamala-harris-according-to-largest-preliminary-exit-poll/

This is actually an unusually high percentage. (Was 68% for Biden vs Trump, was 71% for Clinton vs Trump). Though not completely unheard of (Jews were 79%-19% for Gore over Bush).

This also beats out most other demographics other than black (black swung about 85% for Harris) LGBT (LGBT swung 86% for Harris) and political ideologies (self-identified democrats swung 95% for Harris. Self-identified Liberals swung 91% for Harris) as well as people who were very confident that the election was being handled fairly and accurately (84% for Harris).

swordz9 posted...

I honestly kinda hope the next Democrat running just calls the other side shit as much as humanly possible. Its apparently what gets votes and what the Americans want so why not! No point trying to work together with what the Republican Party has become.

Well, you have to wonder what even follows Trump for them. Much like dems, they haven't really found any torchbearer to this style of Republican despite their best efforts. Desantis looks like a dud, and if they ruin things even further this time around, Vance isn't going to be a viable option either as the VP of a failed and disliked administration. Assuming of course Trump actually doesn't try to make himself king or anything and things go normally, I feel like Desantis and Haley at the least would challenge Vance anyway in 2028 for the nomination. I don't find it out of the question Haley could be who ends up going out for them in 2028, which would be a perfect scenario I think. We just need to make sure our candidate is white and male by then.

v_charon posted...

Well, you have to wonder what even follows Trump for them. Much like dems, they haven't really found any torchbearer to this style of Republican despite their best efforts.

Elon

PeaceFrog posted...

But we are not the majority. Being picky with allies is not really a luxury we can afford.

By the very definition of being the "big tent" party, we definitely are.

Janus5k posted...

Elon

ineligible for president

tazzyboyishere posted...

ineligible for president

For now

Allan Lichtman (keys for the white house guy) on the keys having incorrectly predicted a Kamala victory:

https://twitter.com/AllanLichtman/status/1854309964711665830

Basically, he doesn't know why they failed this time, but he's going to do some research over the next week to figure out what went wrong.

PeaceFrog posted...

We're going to litigate 2024 for the next 8 years even harder than we've litigated 2016 in the last 8 years, aren't we

I dont think so.

People will try but this was not fucking close.

https://x.com/mrddmia/status/1854200785975775609

Just someone Trump has floated around as AG.... no biggee.

But Remember! It's Dems who need to tone things down.

Nah they probably go with Greene since shes the same trash they loved in Trump

JD Vance is a pretty obvious successor. A lot can change in 4 years though.

metroidcomposite posted...

79% of Jews ended up voting for Harris based on exit polling.

That's ironic, considering the far, far, far left Ivy League crowd treats Jews like Alabamans and Mississippians treated blacks in the 1960s. (Harris herself isn't a Jew hater; she married one.)

red_sox_777 posted...

JD Vance is a pretty obvious successor. A lot can change in 4 years though.

It's possible. VP Spiro Agnew got ousted even before Nixon did because of wrongdoings he did while governor of Maryland.

red_sox_777 posted...

JD Vance is a pretty obvious successor.

This.

And while yes, it's hard to out-Trump Trump, there's no doubt that the broad, overarching messaging and disinformation being bandied about by the Republicans appeals to the majority of Americans. I feel like Trumpism has finally outgrown Trump himself and is now being perpetuated systemically to where doofuses like Vance and DeSantis can also win a popular vote just by falling in line with the rhetoric.

Quick, turn on News Nation. This chick is smoking hot!

What did the democrats do wrong?

they got less votes

crazyisgood posted...

What did the democrats do wrong?

Empower Mexican drug cartels, for one thing. Giving free healthcare to illegals is another. And also, Jimmy Carter type inflation. (At least Carter didn't cause inflation on purpose, like Biden did. Biden loves China; but he doesn't care for Americans very much.)

MidwestJimmy posted...

It's possible. VP Spiro Agnew got ousted even before Nixon did because of wrongdoings he did while governor of Maryland.

In the current environment he would definitely get away with doing what Nixon/Agnew did

crazyisgood posted...

What did the democrats do wrong?

CJAYC openly allowed rallying from Planey Gamecube

https://brettclt.medium.com/5-theses-on-the-2024-presidential-election-15c91fbcb153

solid write-up imo.

crazyisgood posted...

What did the democrats do wrong?

Nothing, really. There was no combating the seeds of distrust and chaos being planted by Republicans for several years now. Their hard work in the fields has finally blossomed into an unstoppable authoritarian regime they wanted.

PeaceFrog posted...

Anyway I think a lot of us here could do with reading this:
https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-trump-wins/

This writing is hardcore

It's not really close to what Corrik is getting at though