Current Events > How can Democrats get the white male vote?

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Be racist and use the Southern Strategy.

they need to focus on shoring up the White woman vote, expanding black turnout more consistently and stop some of the bleeding among non black POC groups, the white male vote is lost though they can cut into the margins especially among college educated white men who are less likely to buy into blue collar "traditional" male working class culture.

Count_Drachma posted...

Unless you mean Native Americans, which it'd be weird to call them American Indians.

I grew up on an Indian reservation (says it right on the damn sign). American Indian is not a weird name at all and some prefer it over Native American.

MotaroRIP619 posted...

wtf are men issues and how are men being treated like shit?

You asked about male issues and even included a laughing emoji. This highlights a significant problem. If you're a male, it's troubling that you're unaware of these issues. If you're female and find the idea of males having issues amusing, that's equally sad. Here are some of the challenges men face: suicide, mental health struggles, joblessness, underperformance in education, being victims of crime and feeling ignored, poor healthcare, bias in the court system, and a lack of support for male victims of sexual assault. It's important to stop viewing these problems as solely affecting women. The CDC even changed the meaning of the ---- to exclude men.

WingsOfGood posted...

What do you think Trump tax cuts to the rich will do?

Point is this voter demographic believes Trump will do good for them. To capture them you must do something Trump won't, infact he would like you just did whine about it, but the voters easily understand "so if I vote this person my bank account goes up and my life is better?" which stimmy accomplishes

It's not just the white male demographic. "But muh ekonemiez" seems to be the reason why Latino males came out for Trump in such huge numbers, as well.

Democrats need to find billionaires to bankroll a fleet of the most annoying shithead Youtubers you have ever seen. And maybe some media outlets while they're at it.

cjsdowg posted...

suicide, mental health struggles,

So you're saying men need therapy

Moving to the right hasn't worked yet, but maybe if they keep going it'll pay off next time!

Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...

So you're saying men need therapy

As a case worker I think everyone needs therapy.

I've said this since 2016. We need a Democrat version of Trump. Someone who will tear into every Republican in congress (because they all give you a ton of things to rip them apart for), just without the crime syndicate and the whole hurting people part.

Like if it were me, during the debate I'd lay into him about everything. Being Putin's bitch, call him fat, call him short (he's shorter than me), point out all the little things he's doing to hurt people, continue to hammer home that he's an actual idiot (bringing up tariffs and his general lack of understanding of economics), and the fact that he can't read.

There's probably more. But in this fictious scenario I would have prepped for weeks to go on stage and destroy him in front of the entire world.

Lot of logical answers here, which obviously won't fly in our modern day electorate. It's pretty simple what they need to do though....

Lie to us.

cjsdowg posted...

You asked about male issues and even included a laughing emoji. This highlights a significant problem. If you're a male, it's troubling that you're unaware of these issues. If you're female and find the idea of males having issues amusing, that's equally sad. Here are some of the challenges men face: suicide, mental health struggles, joblessness, underperformance in education, being victims of crime and feeling ignored, poor healthcare, bias in the court system, and a lack of support for male victims of sexual assault.

Oh, you mean the same problems that female Americans have? We try to explain to them that many of these things are extensions of the patriarchy, toxic masculinity, and rape culture, but they want to blame women and "a war on men" instead. BTW, rape culture is also the reason why child molestation and male-on-female violent rape is swept under the rug. Rape culture is the reason why we glorify prison rape as some great form of extrajudicial justice/karma.
Also, you forgot about prison abuse, jail and prison overcrowding, and the socio-economic effects of having a felony record. Men are also exponentially likely to become victims of police brutality than women.

Lying to them seems to work out pretty well

Sonixs posted...

I've said this since 2016. We need a Democrat version of Trump. Someone who will tear into every Republican in congress (because they all give you a ton of things to rip them apart for), just without the crime syndicate and the whole hurting people part.

Like if it were me, during the debate I'd lay into him about everything. Being Putin's bitch, call him fat, call him short (he's shorter than me), point out all the little things he's doing to hurt people, continue to hammer home that he's an actual idiot (bringing up tariffs and his general lack of understanding of economics), and the fact that he can't read.

There's probably more. But in this fictious scenario I would have prepped for weeks to go on stage and destroy him in front of the entire world.

Didn't Harris do like 80 percent of this in the debate?

cjsdowg posted...

As a case worker I think everyone needs therapy.

Hmmm so there's no really no reason this needs to be crafted specifically as an men's issue...sort of like how the Dems have been doing it...

I wonder if any of the other broad generalizations you listed fit this

Give them quick catch phrases explaining how youll fix everything.

Intro2Logic posted...

Democrats need to find billionaires to bankroll a fleet of the most annoying shithead Youtubers you have ever seen. And maybe some media outlets while they're at it.

That's what I was thinking too. I hate dudes like Vaush, Destiny, and Hasan, but the debate bro archetype does appeal to men in a certain type of way

We're lacking large popular figures with reach like Joe Rogan as well

Hyena_Of_Ice posted...

Oh, you mean the same problems that female Americans have? We try to explain to them that many of these things are extensions of the patriarchy, toxic masculinity, and rape culture, but they want to blame women and "a war on men" instead. BTW, rape culture is also the reason why child molestation and male-on-female violent rape is swept under the rug. Rape culture is the reason why we glorify prison rape as some great form of extrajudicial justice/karma.
Also, you forgot about prison abuse, jail and prison overcrowding, and the socio-economic effects of having a felony record. Men are also exponentially likely to become victims of police brutality than women.

Feminist Groups have literally shut down the talks about male victims of crime and even SA. So yeah don't hand me that, I have waded thru this bullshit first hand.

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Name me one time when Kamala Harris said "white men are shit". Name one policy she had that was "anti-white man." I'll wait.

How do you convince people who are willingly voting to make their lives worse change their minds?

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no we dont get white male votes by supporting incel culture.

if men dont want to be called shit they should stop acting like shitty people.

its like the wife wondering how she can behave better so as to not be beaten by her husband.

she shouldnt have to change, he should.

its not us that needs to change.. its the bigots that need to change.

They need to bypass the brainwashing of right wing media. They need to be everywhere, loud, with solid positions that don't allow super PACs to deceive people.

ZaruenKosai posted...

no we dont get white male votes by supporting incel culture.

if men dont want to be called shit they should stop acting like shitty people.

its like the wife wondering how she can behave better so as to not be beaten by her husband.

she shouldnt have to change, he should.

its not us that needs to change.. its the bigots that need to change.

Addressing how patriarchy hurts men as well isn't "supporting incel culture"

Intro2Logic posted...

Didn't Harris do like 80 percent of this in the debate?

She was not mean to him in the same respect that he is mean to everyone.

In regards to men being treated badly, I would personally like to see a change in that we should extend the same politically correct taboos on talking shit about white men/women than are extended to every other subgroup. We just shouldn't be outright mean to large groups of people, even if "we" know that we don't mean it literally.

For example I really dislike when I'll see a leftist person say something obviously sexist, but because they say "white women", it somehow diffuses the sexism for some.

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Kradek posted...

I feel like they pushed back quite a bit, I at least heard the Harris campaign and Dems in Congress here and there doing so. The problem is our corporate/mainstream media is intentionally against her and Dem messaging of pushing back against the narrative because they legitimize the right-wing narrative as the true national discussion.

Kaitlin Collins in her interview with Harris literally asked her to respond to Trump accusing her of "just turning black", was in disbelief that Harris didn't want to deign such asininity with a response, and then the next day Politico had a headline "Harris runs away from identity". These people cried and complained that she never gave policies while refusing to ever demand it of Trump or spreading the ageism/cognitive decline narrative against him once Biden dropped out, and then when she does they're just like "pfft whatever, WHY WON'T YOU SIT DOWN AND DO INTERVIEWS WITH US?!"

Yes Dems have a problem with messaging and yes their counter narrative apparently didn't reach millions of voters, I'm just not sure how they fix that, honestly. The social media team Harris had was great on Twitter and I know she had an active TikTok, their ads were great, she tried to bypass mainstream national media by sitting down with local news stations/doing widely viewed podcasts/shows like Oprah and the View in order to get her actual message out there without dealing with the bullshit mainstream media boosting the Republican narrative, and it just didn't seem like enough.

Like, we all know that their messaging sucks and they need to get better at getting it out there, however I like never see anybody actually offer any solutions on how to meaningfully achieve that, because honestly I'm not sure if they actually can.

Right-wingers own the majority of media in this country, the mainstream corporate stations are either directly beholden to their interests or it's financially within their interest to do so, Sinclair Broadcasting owns most local stations, they own the AM radio game which greatly influences rural voters, and apparently they even win at the social media game.

I think they probably need someone doing the rounds on the male dominated podcasts.
Like you said, her campaign did good imo on Twitter and had good ads, but they need to attack the long form podcast area, especially since a lot of content is created from that space.

Tell white males that they are the most oppressed people in history, and that you'll punish all the women and minorities who have ruined their lives.

Go up there and promise tax breaks for the middle class.

Who the fuck cares about the deficit anymore.

Lokarin posted...

Step 1. Stimulus package for all
Step 2. Tax breaks for having children
Step 3. No income tax at all if you earn under $100k
Step 4. Federalize Property tax

Now this I like. Make it a tax break for not having children and Im 100% sold lol.

I know this isnt what a lot of you want to hear but my biggest concern right now is lack of money. I have a degree, Im responsible, Im a hard worker I should not be feeling like Im living week to week on a 40-hour work week.

That still didnt keep me from voting democrat, stop seething, but it would be nice to feel like my actual needs are being met.

Building a time machine and stopping right wingers from buying all the media companies.

I don't think you can, tbh. I considered voting blue this time just because the red candidate was unspeakably terrible, but in the end I didn't vote at all. Not that it would have mattered. Hell will freeze over before my state even thinks about going blue.

The Democrat party just fundamentally views the world in a completely different way from me that I can't get behind. It doesn't have a thing to do with people being assholes on the Internet. (Why does everyone think this is the big issue?) Pretending you wanna be friends doesn't make any difference either. It's about abortion. It's about social issues I can't talk about without getting modded. It's about wasteful bureaucracy. A Democrat that sees these things my way is called "not a Democrat."

The thing I've realized in the post-election armchairism that people are not understanding is that there's not some triviality here that's the big issue. Everyone seems to think it's about strategy instead of, you know, being worth voting for.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

I don't think you can, tbh. I considered voting blue this time just because the red candidate was unspeakably terrible, but in the end I didn't vote at all. Not that it would have mattered. Hell will freeze over before my state even thinks about going blue.

The Democrat party just fundamentally views the world in a completely different way from me that I can't get behind. It doesn't have a thing to do with people being assholes on the Internet. (Why does everyone think this is the big issue?) Pretending you wanna be friends doesn't make any difference either. It's about abortion. It's about social issues I can't talk about without getting modded. It's about wasteful bureaucracy. A Democrat that sees these things my way is called "not a Democrat."

The thing I've realized in the post-election armchairism that people are not understanding is that there's not some triviality here that's the big issue. Everyone seems to think it's about strategy instead of, you know, being worth voting for.

Can you get behind Democracy?

If so, that should have been enough, because only one party plans to keep the government as a functional democracy.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

It's about abortion. It's about social issues I can't talk about without getting modded. It's about wasteful bureaucracy. A Democrat that sees these things my way is called "not a Democrat."

nevermind.. I lost all desire to have an honest discussion with you.

Hyena_Of_Ice posted...

Oh, you mean the same problems that female Americans have? We try to explain to them that many of these things are extensions of the patriarchy, toxic masculinity

That kind of messaging isn't helping either which goes back to the messaging problem.

If the object of the game here is to win men over, messaging on blaming the patriarchy or toxic masculinity isn't a winning strategy to win men over who ran to red pill content or the alt right.

Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...

Hmmm so there's no really no reason this needs to be crafted specifically as an men's issue...sort of like how the Dems have been doing it...

I wonder if any of the other broad generalizations you listed fit this

ding ding ding

but a good portion of men cant handle that shit isnt catering to them anymore. And yes I am a man.

It all comes down to misinformation. At least 75% of grievances about "male issues" is just bullshit made up by the far right. It's the same reason why those male gamers think that all gaming is susceptible to Sweet Baby Inc.

Kaitouace posted...

It all comes down to misinformation. At least 75% of grievances about "male issues" is just bullshit made up by the far right. It's the same reason why those male gamers think that all gaming is susceptible to Sweet Baby Inc.

While I don't think males have it that bad, I do think some of the hate they get is unwarranted. You even see it in this topic. Like some males are struggling, and then you get laughing in their face about how man can possibly be struggling. "Suck it up" as they say.

MotaroRIP619 posted...

ding ding ding

but a good portion of men cant handle that shit isnt catering to them anymore. And yes I am a man.

I don't really get bothered about terms but I think it's kind of weird that others don't realize that people are and can be fairly emotional.
If we can get the same ideas across without using the terms patriarchy or toxic masculinity, why not do that?

Because everyone is struggling. Im literally a white male myself that goes through a lot. That doesnt mean I feel sorry for myself like my mens rights/issues are under attack and the world hates me and is laughing at me. Thats incel creep behavior. I wouldnt vote for some bigot because democrats are advocating for equality and people and issues that have largely been ignored forever, and have that make me feel like Im being treated like crap. Get real

emblem-man posted...

I don't really get bothered about terms but I think it's kind of weird that others don't realize that people are and can be fairly emotional.
If we can get the same ideas across without using the terms patriarchy or toxic masculinity, why not do that?

If the shoe fits

but also, what words would you use?

MotaroRIP619 posted...

Because everyone is struggling. Im literally a white male myself that goes through a lot. That doesnt mean I feel sorry for myself like my mens rights/issues are under attack and the world hates me and is laughing at me. Thats incel creep behavior. I wouldnt vote for some bigot because democrats are advocating for equality and people and issues that have largely been ignored forever, and have that make me feel like Im being treated like crap. Get real

@emblem-man
Same and a part of me wished I had more appreciate in the 2000s for basic decency, but I never went beyond private thoughts and grew out of it despite having autism on top of that.

But also guys who do better (income and having a partner whether said relationship is healthy or no) like Trump still have that kind of bitterness.

Plus a lot of the same people who advocate sensitivity towards white males also tell us that racial slurs for non-whites aren't something to get worked up over (same with sexist and homohobic statements).

And better treatment (relatively) doesn't mean that women, non-whites and so on still don't have the same level as equality as people still aim to overturn those rights and not even chided or punished.

Oh and same reason I question people older for bigotry getting a pass. Should parents be barred for disciplining their kids for breaking rules like no clean up or no doing their chore. Don't want to "other" the poor kids.

cjsdowg posted...

You asked about male issues and even included a laughing emoji. This highlights a significant problem. If you're a male, it's troubling that you're unaware of these issues. If you're female and find the idea of males having issues amusing, that's equally sad. Here are some of the challenges men face: suicide, mental health struggles, joblessness, underperformance in education, being victims of crime and feeling ignored, poor healthcare, bias in the court system, and a lack of support for male victims of sexual assault. It's important to stop viewing these problems as solely affecting women. The CDC even changed the meaning of the ---- to exclude men.

Dems want to help with a mental health, Republicans don't and want to cut back on programs.
The problem is that most men don't want to go into therapy and be told they need to change as they think it is a sign of weakness. They don't want to change. Republicans feed ino that by saying men don't need to change, and it is society that needs to change.
There's no good way to fix that, you can't bully a group of people into self reflection.

MotaroRIP619 posted...

If the shoe fits

but also, what words would you use?

Ill tak a crack at it. None. Look to undertstanding what their individual issues are, and solving whatever the issue actually is. That is ofc assuming there is actual interest in understanding and wanting to solve whatever issue they're having. Some definitely handwave male issues exist that is perpetuated by many men and women.
Sexual assault;
Domestic violence;
Divorce aftermaths like alimony;
Some holding sexist double standards for what men are supposed to do in dating (speaking to the loneliness epidemic of some blaming specifically only men for both men AND women dating issues);
The lingering stigma of men sharing their feelings and those feelings being weaponized or handwaved away;
Use of language that still sounds like it's putting the blame all on men;
Etc etc.

We wonder why the right is winning these people over in a toxic way. It's because the right atm moment is appealing to how they feel, although the right takes a toxic approach to it.

Anyway, my only point is just blaming the patriarchy for everything when a lot of people aren't even benefitting from this privilege, is ineffective assuming there's genuine interest in bringing these people back to our side.

If there is no interest in bringing them back to Democrats, then use whatever language you want.

MotaroRIP619 posted...

If the shoe fits

but also, what words would you use?

You can talk about bad behavior that people use, and the need for mental health care without saying toxic masculinity and patriarchy. Just say that people need to be kinder, less aggressive, etc.

I'm not saying this is the answer. I'm mainly saying that I don't think it's crazy that some people will hear toxic masculinity and see it as an attack against masculinity. Again, the average person is really emotional...and not very bright. We shouldn't expect people to know the nuances of toxic masculinity and patriarchy. The base level instinct is "they're saying masculinity and men are bad". Don't let their minds even jump to that idea because we know damn well that the right wing grifters will do all they can to stoke that fire.

Antiyonder posted...

Plus a lot of the same people who advocate sensitivity towards white males also tell us that racial slurs for non-whites aren't something to get worked up over (same with sexist and homohobic statements).

Yeah, you'll have some people who just want to be assholes and won't reciprocate the positivity towards other minorities...fuck them.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

It's about social issues I can't talk about without getting modded.

how do you win over hateful bigots without calling them out for being hateful bigots?

NatsuSama posted...

Look to undertstanding what their individual issues are, and solving whatever the issue actually is.

Except that the issues people have don't have easy solutions or a quick fix. It's hard to say "here is a detailed plan of how this issue can be solved, it will take years of hard work and effort" when the other side is saying "here is how it is everyone else's fault, we'll just deport all the immigrants and everything will be better with no effort from you".

Personally I think women should put men on a sex timeout for awhile. Really drive home the point of what is being impacted by Republicans.

For the time being point out how the price of *thing* has increased weekly. And whenever job losses can be expected due to some law or Executive Order being clawed back by Trump.

Get the most stereotypical "Alpha" looking white rich business man even if he's crazy apparently. I really lost any faith of explaining things to the average voter.

dragonstar13 posted...

Get the most stereotypical "Alpha" looking white rich business man even if he's crazy apparently. I really lost any faith of explaining things to the average voter.

I have just the guy.
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divot1338 posted...

I have just the guy.
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Swimg states view California as a train wreck, this is basically just running a younger Biden.