Current Events > CE is very anti death penalty, but seemingly pro vigilante justice.

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Tons of people cheering on this CEO killer yet anytime the death penalty comes up in relation to some horrible crime people are quick to (rightly) point out the death penalty should be abolished. Those two positions don't seem to jive.

murder is bad

death penalty is murder plus cruelty

CE isn't a hive mind, there are posters with views all over the spectrum.

Was this guy a government?

Vigilantism tends to happen when the justice system fails to address a problem, and vigilantes arent generally capable of jailing someone for a meaningful length of time. Its either a beating or a murder, those are usually their only options.

Not saying its right even in this case, but mostly only because saying such a thing would be moddable. Just explaining the possible logic.

justaguy3492 posted...

Tons of people cheering on this CEO killer yet anytime the death penalty comes up in relation to some horrible crime people are quick to (rightly) point out the death penalty should be abolished. Those two positions don't seem to jive.

Cheering for someone's death isn't the same as accepting state run death.

Capital punishment is almost entirely just to make feel people feel better because keeping someone locked up for life is just as effective at removing the threat. Vigilante justice, under certain circumstances, is the only way to stop someone from hurting others because the laws and/or justice system has failed.

i dont see what the two have to do with each other

You're comparing apples to oranges for seemingly no reason

I think you might be misunderstanding the objections most people have to the death penalty.

CE is very anti fuck around, but very pro find out.

Guy gets lawfully ultra rich by denying people live saving healthcare and gets killed vs A death penalty system that has executed dozens of innocent black men over its existence

Yeah totally the same thing

cousinvini posted...

Guy gets lawfully ultra rich by denying people live saving healthcare and gets killed vs A death penalty system that has executed dozens of innocent black men over its existence

Yeah totally the same thing

But the poor CEO

Death penalty should be abolished and the guy who shot the CEO should be arrested and charged.

Hospy posted...

CE isn't a hive mind, there are posters with views all over the spectrum.

CE is pretty damn liberal

CE is a terrible barometer of the common man I would ignore anything related to morals here.

In your priority of trust...

Do you trust the government?

Other average people?

Businesses?

The news?

Yourself?

... the most to least?

Give a ranked trust score to each to construct your general outlook on the world.

So for me, I don't trust government much, but you know what I trust less?

People. (Have you ever seen a maga voter?)

So I don't trust vigilantes.

And businesses/the rich at the very bottom.

So ceos, no, even less.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

CE is a terrible barometer of the common man I would ignore anything related to morals here.

This.

But on the note of the CEO dying. I wish I cared more. Murder is bad and I don't condone it, but I wish a cared more.

DoGCyN posted...

This.

But on the note of the CEO dying. I wish I cared more. Murder is bad and I don't condone it, but I wish a cared more.

I don't think you have to care more.

Someone doesn't even have to feel bad. None of us know this person or his family. There's no expectation that we feel bad or grieve.

There should be an expectation that we don't essentially fucking dance on his grave and glorify vigilante justice. That's what's been so weird about this. You can be indifferent to the guy and also not support the killing.

261 in general was really bloodthirsty. A lot of passive aggressive posting about people dying they don't really like. I never saw that in CE except the 261 refugees.

emblem-man posted...

There should be an expectation that we don't essentially fucking dance on his grave

He made money off of literally tens of thousands of graves, so I'mma go with "fuck that."

Did you have the same energy for Kissinger?

Notti posted...

In your priority of trust...

Do you trust the government?

Other average people?

Businesses?

The news?

Yourself?

... the most to least?

Give a ranked trust score to each to construct your general outlook on the world.

So for me, I don't trust government much, but you know what I trust less?

People. (Have you ever seen a maga voter?)

So I don't trust vigilantes.

And businesses/the rich at the very bottom.

So ceos, no, even less.

Bingo

emblem-man posted...

I don't think you have to care more.

Someone doesn't even have to feel bad. None of us know this person or his family. There's no expectation that we feel bad or grieve.

There should be an expectation that we don't essentially fucking dance on his grave and glorify vigilante justice. That's what's been so weird about this. You can be indifferent to the guy and also not support the killing.

Also bingo

emblem-man posted...

There should be an expectation that we don't essentially f***ing dance on his grave and glorify vigilante justice

I don't disagree. There shouldn't be any glorifying this. I do fully understand though why others like myself are just like "meh" despite the circumstances

I'm pro eating the rich.

I'm very much for both.

A lot of people are anti-Death Penalty in that they do not believe the state should be able to kill people in its custody. Because this is a grievous abuse of state power that can be misused but also because there is no perfect system that can perform this function without inevitably killing innocent people.

Most people are against vigilante murder, too. It just so happens that a lot of people have no issues with bad people dying. They don't feel individually bad for guys like Bundy or Timothy McVeigh.

In this case, Brian Thompson was a bad person, so people don't mind he got killed or feel satisfaction over it.

I don't endorse violence and I sincerely hope that something is done about the extreme levels of income inequality else violence like this is only going to eventually lead to significantly more violence. That said, I have absolutely zero fucks to give over some health insurance CEO being assassinated. By that same token I would be 100% against the State killing him.

People are getting desperate, the 1% should pay heed to the general reaction to the CEO assassination. Alas the only lesson they seem to have learned is that they should spend more money on security which is 100% the wrong lesson to learn here.

Let me put it to you like this. A lot of the people here would be against a school shooter getting the death penalty, but would be totally fine with that same shooter being shot to death by cops outside the school.

I don't think they're wrong to feel that way, but I'm also not against the death penalty on principle either.

CE has always been hypocritical

KajeI posted...

Let me put it to you like this. A lot of the people here would be against a school shooter getting the death penalty, but would be totally fine with that same shooter being shot to death by cops outside the school.

I don't think they're wrong to feel that way, but I'm also not against the death penalty on principle either.

One executed individual at the end of Trump's presidency was a white supremacist who killed a Black man by dragging him behind his truck. I don't think he should've been executed, but I don't feel bad he's dead

I'd say CE was evenly split on the death penalty.

And sometimes weirdly in favour of prison murder and torture.

Most the posts here about the death penalty tend to say it would be fine if there was absolutle certainty about guilt.

We all know that CEO was among the scum of the earth and there was no question about what he deserved.

So I wouldn't say people here are generally in favor of vigilante justice (I'm definitely not) but it is supported in the single recent case

DoGCyN posted...

CE is pretty damn liberal

Overall yes, but theres still a variety of views on individual issues.

ai123 posted...

I'd say CE was evenly split on the death penalty.

And sometimes weirdly in favour of prison murder and torture.

yeah i made a topic about a while ago and there was more people in favor of prison violence and torture than i wouldve liked to see

TC is very pro make a topic but seemingly anti stick around and continue posting.

CyricZ posted...

TC is very pro make a topic but seemingly anti stick around and continue posting.

lmao

They've been celebrating the vigilante all over social media platforms this past week. This isn't unique to CE lol

NoxObscuras posted...

They've been celebrating the vigilante all over social media platforms this past week. This isn't unique to CE lol

People are acting like tough guys with "snitches get stitches" based on a biography of the guy they wrote in their own heads. And it all amounted to protecting a right wing techbro lunatic who carried out an extra-judicial execution on a busy city street.

Lord_Ephraim posted...

261 in general was really bloodthirsty. A lot of passive aggressive posting about people dying they don't really like. I never saw that in CE except the 261 refugees.

261,Are you sure about that? I'm a moderate and DP was what I was pretty far right on. Most of the board was felt that life in prison was a better solution. I have that position because a childhood friend did the worst thing imaginable. We hung out. There is no coming back from what he did. So if I felt my friend deserved it so do others who have done a similar crime.

death penalty can involve a bunch of fuckery where innocent people wind up dead.

The ceo getting gunned down is a case where someone who presided over a corporation that (auto) denied health insurance claims. It cost people their health, time, or even life. The ceo wound up getting a punishment that would never, in a million billion trillion years, be delivered to them (death) by a jury of their peers. Even though their actions are as, or more, responsible for the loss of quality of life or deaths of thousands of people than someone who went out and personally stole their money or murdered them outright.

Sure, can vigilante justice get it wrong? Most definitely. But people aren't going to be too upset or feel much sympathy when a soulless bastard gets justice accurately delivered to them.

The death penalty is used when someone has already been legally held accountable for a crime.

Vigilante justice occurs as a result of a failure with the legal system and in instances where someone would otherwise not face justice. I would prefer we had a system that dealt with these inadequacies through legal means.

I'm results oriented.

Those who make the world a worse place every moment they continue to exist deserve to die.

Those who may actually be innocent don't deserve to die.

The American Justice system is far from foolproof.

American entertainment does portray vigilantes as the good guys in a majority films, shows, games, etc. Batman, Death Wish, and Punisher to name some.

We're a pretty pro-vigilante culture, who look up to people trying to right wrongs personally. When the law and justice system in this country fails to hold the wealthy accountable for their evil deeds. And we're at a point we're it's getting increasingly tough to make a living. The poor and middle classes are getting, and will get more, poorer. While the rich stay rich, and have gotten increasingly more greedier in screwing over poorer people for more money.

It's easy to see why not many people have sympathy for the rich, health care CEO who died, and why they would cheer on a vigilante killer. This CEO has screwed over a lot of Americans out of there health insurance, and probably caused thousands of deaths as a result. This is someone who should faced accountability for his actions, but never will in this current justice system.

ShaneMcComez posted...

American entertainment does portray vigilantes as the good guys in a majority films, shows, games, etc. Batman, Death Wish, and Punisher to name some.

This guy isn't Batman. He's the guy that killed Batman's parents.

gr8 b8 m8

I think most people would agree that vigilantism is not a good thing.

Not feeling bad that people whose lives are based around profiting off literally denying sick and dying people coverage for what should be basic human rights have died? I kinda get that.

Pikachuchupika posted...

This guy isn't Batman. He's the guy that killed Batman's parents.

Batman's parents are typically portrayed as philanthropists that're one of the few exceptions to Gotham's extremely rampant corruption.

I don't need to explain the difference further.

I think most people who are against death penalty are also against vigilante justice as well. However depending on the person who gets killed, you might find some people being less than sympathetic/empathetic to their death.

CyricZ posted...

TC is very pro make a topic but seemingly anti stick around and continue posting.

I've said my piece, now I'm just reading everyone else's opinions. If there's a post you'd like me to respond to let me know.