Current Events > CE is very anti death penalty, but seemingly pro vigilante justice.

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ModernPost posted...

I genuinely don't understand why you can't give a straight answer.

I said being selectively for gun violence is a bad look.

You said what about self defence?

I conceded and adjusted (something most CEman are allergic to doing I've noticed) and changed it to being against offensive gun violence. Offensive in this context meaning like, initiating the shooting, not reacting like in a self defense situation. Think of it in like sport terms.

Last I checked, no one is celebrating the fact that the murder was committed with a gun.

CyricZ posted...

Last I checked, no one is celebrating the fact that the murder was committed with a gun.

This is why it's probably easier, though cruder, for me to just say I think being pro murder in any context is a really bad look. I know it's complicated, I know there's 100 things to consider, but I'm still against it.

Murphiroth posted...

LMAO do you actually think disdain for insurance companies and CEOs, both in general and specifically healthcare CEOs, is a new concept? People have been calling them out for decades.

Do you think you have a point with this or something? Please, elaborate, I'd love to see what you think you're cooking.

Incidentally, this is one of my favorite jokes from the mid 90's:

Three men die and are standing before St. Peter at the gates of Heaven, awaiting their fate. The first man steps forward and pleads his case.
"In life I was a lawyer. I represented the innocent and helped them get the justice they deserved."
"Very well, my son. You may enter."
The second man steps forward.
"In life I was a doctor. I treated illnesses and saved countless lives."
"Very well, my son. You may enter."
Finally, the third man steps forward.
"In life I ran an HMO. I helped provide low-cost medical care for people in need."
"Very well, my son. You may enter."
But as the HMO chair passed by, St. Peter grabbed him by the shoulder.
"But you can only stay for three days. Then you go to Hell."

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We're not discussing someone saying a bad word here though are we? If it was ever a time to get on a high horse it'd be now.

The government should not be authorized to kill citizens. I am also allowed to not feel bad the accused is dead, based on my personal views of their actions.

When a non-governmental entity murders someone, I expect that, should they be caught, they will face the consequences. I am also allowed to not feel bad their victim is dead, based on my personal views of their actions.

The idea that a person can't straddle these quite comfortable lines is kind of silly, imo.

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I said I was at work as a direct response to someone accusing me of dodging a question of theirs, when I was addressing points one post at a time. Re-read how it actually went down

What a sneaky dishonest interpretation. Shame on you.

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What are you on about now? I never said I had no time, there's plenty of down time in my job. My client was sitting in a dental chair, my job of showering him, feeding him and driving him around was not needed in that moment. This was when was Drizzt made some comment about me meant to have been at work.

At the time I was accused of dodging a question, half an hour earlier, I was a bit more busy, and took umbrage with the fact that someone assumed I was scared to reply to them (when I was typing up my response) and so I decided to let them know I was multi tasking

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I'm trying to elaborate for you, so you get it. Because it seems like you don't.

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Which part? Do you think I'm not genuine about my job? Or my disdain for this shooting?

The one thing I'll concede here, is that I'm not American so I haven't been directly impacted by their health care system. But ive been coming here for 20 years so I guess I feel I'm allowed to give my view.

Where i am, a very progressive part of the world (google the suburb of newtown, Sydney if you don't believe me) a lot of people think the actions taken by Luigi were too far.

People are fascinated by him, sure, just like we're fascinated by the Unabomber, but to me and my peers, he went too far and should not get to dodge prison for his actions

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Which part? Do you think I'm not genuine about my job? Or my disdain for this shooting?

The one thing I'll concede here, is that I'm not American so I haven't been directly impacted by their health care system. But ive been coming here for 20 years so I guess I feel I'm allowed to give my view.

Where i am, a very progressive part of the world (google the suburb of newtown, Sydney if you don't believe me) a lot of people think the actions taken by Luigi were too far.

People are fascinated by him, sure, just like we're fascinated by the Unabomber, but to me and my peers, he went too far and should not get to dodge prison for his actions

Big "first worlder deploring the uncivilized nature of third world politics" energy here (and yes, the US is third world in several respects, including its health care system).

Because of the bolded, you have absolutely no idea why almost everyone in the US despises private health insurance. This perp spontaneously being made into a folk hero is completely unsurprising.

EPR-radar posted...

Big "first worlder deploring the uncivilized nature of third world politics" energy here (and yes, the US is third world in several respects, including its health care system).

Because of the bolded, you have absolutely no idea why almost everyone in the US despises private health insurance. This perp spontaneously being made into a folk hero is completely unsurprising.

I'll take it, though it's a little amusing to me as I've endured so many jokes about being from bumfuck nowhere from Americans online over the years. "Dingo ate your baby?" "Have you ever seen a kangaroo?" etc

I guess times change though. I did not know anyone here considered the US to be third world, more just a very volatile first world country.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I did not know anyone here considered the US to be third world

Mississippi is richer than most European countries, you've got to completely disregard almost everything you read on the internet since it's kind of a rallying point for weird and uniformed people.

Also voters are split 50/50 when it comes to health care with slightly more people preferring private insurance to a government-run system:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/654101/health-coverage-government-responsibility.aspx

Again, online communities are an echo chamber so you can never assume the stuff you read here applies to the real world at all.

What kind of first world country has a violent insurrectionist face no penalty for an attempted coup?

THRILLH0USE posted...

Mississippi is richer than most European countries

And in terms of infant mortality rates it would clock in at 70th if we treated it as a country.

EPR-radar posted...

What kind of first world country has a violent insurrectionist face no penalty for an attempted coup?

I dunno, the same country that produced so much music and movies that influenced me and everyone I know? Culturally we are your children. We're all on reddit now too, reading your takes and absorbing them.

EPR-radar posted...

What kind of first world country has a violent insurrectionist face no penalty for an attempted coup?

Not that this is even a metric for how economically developed a country is but it literally just happened in South Korea like a week ago lol

DrizztLink posted...

nd in terms of infant mortality rates it would clock in at 70th if we treated it as a country.

Is Europe third world because cancer survival rates are lower than in the US? Just trying to specify what stats we're cherry picking here.

THRILLH0USE posted...

what stats we're cherry picking here.

said the guy who literally started with a cherry-picked stat

DrizztLink posted...

said the guy who literally started with a cherry-picked stat

Consumption and disposable income are good metrics because they impact every single person in a country and you can also control for the differences between countries by adjusting for purchasing power.

Infant mortality is one single stat relating only to health care and we can't even control for the differences in the legal definition of infant mortality between countries.

THRILLH0USE posted...

Not that this is even a metric for how economically developed a country is but it literally just happened in South Korea like a week ago lol

Is Europe third world because cancer survival rates are lower than in the US? Just trying to specify what stats we're cherry picking here.

America is not a third world country. It has some archaic policies and practices, but if that is the basis for the argument then a whole lot of countries that aren't third world are lol.

Don't take any of that rhetoric seriously, it's a cop out of an argument.

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This. First World referred to the USA and its allies. Second World referred to the USSR and its allies. Third World referred to everyone else.

I guess "went broke from an ambulance ride and now has to eat cat food to not starve" is a "first world problem" now.

Looking at the current judicial system in America, is it any wonder people have begun looking at alternatives?

I follow a writer who tends to speak on these kinds of subjects with an eloquence that I have a tough time reaching given my capacity so I'll offer his words as an extension of my own.

https://armoxon.substack.com/p/peaceful-solutions

But really, to look at this case in the lens of "violence is good/bad" is a child's oversimplification of its complexities. Like so many cases, this one has historical and cultural roots that you can't just shove aside if you want to be taken seriously in the argument.

I mean you are talking about two completely different situations. The death penalty is committed when someone is confined and can no longer harm society. The action taken against the CEO was at a conference for the very thing he is demeaned for.

It's like comparing a guy being killed while holding a gun to a guy being killed in handcuffs sitting on the ground - they aren't the same.

justaguy3492 posted...

Those two positions don't seem to jive.

Opinions here change hourly, its best not to try to make sense out of it.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Opinions here change hourly, its best not to try to make sense out of it.

Hopefully you've changed some of your...untenable positions. You know the ones.

I doubt it though, given your tendency to drive by shitpost and pearl clutch.

Murphiroth posted...

Hopefully you've changed some of your...untenable positions. You know the ones.

I doubt it though, given your tendency to drive by shitpost and pearl clutch.

The ones where he was supportive of the dude in the car that killed a woman in Charlottesville?

Wonder why he was fine with that but not others.

Theres a reason the Punisher is a popular character. I think there is a deep understanding that the justice system does not treat everyone fairly.

CyricZ posted...

I follow a writer who tends to speak on these kinds of subjects with an eloquence that I have a tough time reaching given my capacity so I'll offer his words as an extension of my own.

https://armoxon.substack.com/p/peaceful-solutions

But really, to look at this case in the lens of "violence is good/bad" is a child's oversimplification of its complexities. Like so many cases, this one has historical and cultural roots that you can't just shove aside if you want to be taken seriously in the argument.

This was a great read, thank you for sharing!

I'm against the death penalty, except for Crimes Against Humanity. But waiting for a fair trial with those is not always a good option. Reinhard Heydrich never made it to Nuremberg, for example.

Murphiroth posted...

Hopefully you've changed some of your...untenable positions. You know the ones.

I doubt it though, given your tendency to drive by shitpost and pearl clutch.

For some people it's more important to be "consistent". If someone's consistently an abrasive person, then they'll hold that consistency up as a virtue to distract from what it is that they're consistent about.

Heineken14 posted...

The ones where he was supportive of the dude in the car that killed a woman in Charlottesville?

Wonder why he was fine with that but not others.

It's an excellent question, but Gatey gonna mark us for harassment and then flee the topic. Again.

If he loses his account, he can't come here to act smugly morally superior while hoping nobody remembers all the times he glazed a bunch of actual Nazis.

Though he might make another Ask the Mods topic about how mean people are being to him, those are always hilarious.