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chaos_knight 01/27/25 9:37:46 AM #52:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Unification is impossible in this country. The only way to unify the country is if a good 50% of the countries population dies. Maybe even more. That's rather bleak. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:983826099] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite><quote>Unification is impossible in this country. The only way to unify the country is if a good 50% of the countries population dies. Maybe even more.</quote>That's rather bleak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarFighters76 01/27/25 9:47:55 AM #53:	To answer the topic title, no i would not, with the exception of it they voted for him in 2016, but quickly learned their lesson and didn't repeat the same mistake twice over. But then, it's a maybe. Funny thing, I just discovered a now former friend has unfriended and blocked me. When digging around, I discovered he did this to a lot of people, because of him being a Trump supporter. See, he's a openly (somewhat) bisexual man who strongly supports the LGBT community, and truly believes Trump is pro-LGBT, because insert reasons, and would never cause harm to them. He's really not that bright, and has a bit of arrogance, so hopefully he will learn the hard way. --- 1,000 maps on 04/12/2010! -- 2,000 maps on 04/15/2016! -- 3,000 maps on 11/19/2019! -- 4,000 maps on 02/10/2023! <cite>StarFighters76 posted [p:983826193] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>To answer the topic title, no i would not, with the exception of it they voted for him in 2016, but quickly learned their lesson and didn't repeat the same mistake twice over. But then, it's a maybe.Funny thing, I just discovered a now former friend has unfriended and blocked me. When digging around, I discovered he did this to a lot of people, because of him being a Trump supporter. See, he's a openly (somewhat) bisexual man who strongly supports the LGBT community, and truly believes Trump is pro-LGBT, because insert reasons, and would never cause harm to them. He's really not that bright, and has a bit of arrogance, so hopefully he will learn the hard way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GhostFaceLeaks 01/27/25 9:51:23 AM #54:	chaos_knight posted... That's rather bleak. Welcome to the real world. It's always been bleak. --- "Do you like Scary movies?" <cite>GhostFaceLeaks posted [p:983826225] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>chaos_knight posted... </cite><quote>That's rather bleak.</quote>Welcome to the real world. It's always been bleak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 01/27/25 10:01:55 AM #55:	You know the premise of this topic is rather fucked up. Will Black people ever forgive America for slavery Will Jews ever forgive Germany for the Holocaust Will women ever forgive Cosby and Weinstein for sexual assault It is in super bad taste to ask the VICTIM when theyll be ready to forgive. And in this case the assault is still ongoing. How about this. What are my fellow Americans willing to do in order to be forgiven? What steps are they willing to take? The majority of them wont even admit what they did was wrong. I dont know if I can forgive this time but at a bare minimum they need to give a sincere apology for me to even start to consider it. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:983826315] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>You know the premise of this topic is rather fucked up.Will Black people ever forgive America for slaveryWill Jews ever forgive Germany for the HolocaustWill women ever forgive Cosby and Weinstein for sexual assaultIt is in super bad taste to ask the VICTIM when theyll be ready to forgive.And in this case the assault is still ongoing.How about this. What are my fellow Americans willing to do in order to be forgiven? What steps are they willing to take? The majority of them wont even admit what they did was wrong.I dont know if I can forgive this time but at a bare minimum they need to give a sincere apology for me to even start to consider it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 01/27/25 10:04:54 AM #56:	chaos_knight posted... Problem is that if there is no hope of forgiveness or unification going forward, Republicans might as well rule unopposed until the end of our lifetimes. Seeing the Democratic infighting has to be euphoric for them. I get the anger for now, but I hope people can forgive down the line when it matters again. I like how it's apparently always the left's responsibility to forgive and forget, while the right apparently never actually has to change. Fuck off with that nonsense. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:983826339] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>chaos_knight posted... </cite><quote>Problem is that if there is no hope of forgiveness or unification going forward, Republicans might as well rule unopposed until the end of our lifetimes. Seeing the Democratic infighting has to be euphoric for them.I get the anger for now, but I hope people can forgive down the line when it matters again.</quote>I like how it's apparently always the left's responsibility to forgive and forget, while the right apparently never actually has to change.Fuck off with that nonsense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 01/27/25 10:06:56 AM #57:	No. --- "So this is how liberty dies, with Thunderous applause." Padme Amidala <cite>creativerealms posted [p:983826354] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YUNASBFGIR 01/27/25 10:13:22 AM #58:	They don't care. They have seen what Trump has done and what he wants to do and more importantly what the billionaires who control him want to do and they just do not care. They don't see it as a threat. They don't see that these policies and actions will end up hurting them too. They only care about sticking it to another group. Hate and fear are easy and they have won. What sucks is that you still have to interact with these people on the daily. They are your coworkers. They are your neighbors. They are on public transportation with you. They are on the news and social media. You can't escape them. So you have two options. Constantly try to show them the error of their ways and be labeled as a left wing nut who has Trump Delusion Syndrome and it falls on deaf ears. Or you choose to be cordial to keep things running smoothly (especially if you are in the minority at your work) and to keep your job safe. There is no winning with Trump. There is no greater America on the horizon. There is no going back to a golden age that never was. There is only resources to be mined and used up to benefit the ultra rich at the top. They are vultures attacking a wounded animal for it's blood and organs to fatten themselves up before flying off to the next wounded creature they can feast upon. They take what they can and move on unconcerned with the aftermath because they are able to rise above it with their wealth and power. <cite>YUNASBFGIR posted [p:983826412] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>They don't care. They have seen what Trump has done and what he wants to do and more importantly what the billionaires who control him want to do and they just do not care. They don't see it as a threat. They don't see that these policies and actions will end up hurting them too. They only care about sticking it to another group. Hate and fear are easy and they have won. What sucks is that you still have to interact with these people on the daily. They are your coworkers. They are your neighbors. They are on public transportation with you. They are on the news and social media. You can't escape them. So you have two options. Constantly try to show them the error of their ways and be labeled as a left wing nut who has Trump Delusion Syndrome and it falls on deaf ears. Or you choose to be cordial to keep things running smoothly (especially if you are in the minority at your work) and to keep your job safe. There is no winning with Trump. There is no greater America on the horizon. There is no going back to a golden age that never was. There is only resources to be mined and used up to benefit the ultra rich at the top. They are vultures attacking a wounded animal for it's blood and organs to fatten themselves up before flying off to the next wounded creature they can feast upon. They take what they can and move on unconcerned with the aftermath because they are able to rise above it with their wealth and power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 01/27/25 10:24:09 AM #59:	HashtagSEP posted... I like how it's apparently always the left's responsibility to forgive and forget, while the right apparently never actually has to change. Fuck off with that nonsense. Well said. They voted for a terrorist and its our job to forgive them. How quickly would we forgive someone who gave the 9/11 hijackers their box cutters? --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:983826505] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted... </cite><quote>I like how it's apparently always the left's responsibility to forgive and forget, while the right apparently never actually has to change.Fuck off with that nonsense.</quote>Well said.They voted for a terrorist and its our job to forgive them. How quickly would we forgive someone who gave the 9/11 hijackers their box cutters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaos_knight 01/27/25 10:26:53 AM #60:	hmnut7 posted... Well said. They voted for a terrorist and its our job to forgive them. How quickly would we forgive someone who gave the 9/11 hijackers their box cutters? Going by that analogy, you still have to rely on those who gave the box cutters to win future elections. Literally impossible to not have a century of MAGA control otherwise. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:983826533] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>hmnut7 posted... </cite><quote>Well said.They voted for a terrorist and its our job to forgive them. How quickly would we forgive someone who gave the 9/11 hijackers their box cutters?</quote>Going by that analogy, you still have to rely on those who gave the box cutters to win future elections. Literally impossible to not have a century of MAGA control otherwise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SydnieStarlight 01/27/25 10:28:09 AM #61:	By and large, I see nothing to forgive. Nothing I've observed lends credence to the notion that far right ideology is actually that popular. There are certainly people who buy into it, but it's becoming increasingly clear that they're a vocal minority, considering all the shady things republicans have to pull to retain power. Why do you think Trump has to get rid of so many government folks and replace them with his own hand-picked yes men? It's because republicans couldn't get anything done if they allowed actual representatives of the people to hold positions of power. Like it or not, non-democrat voters aren't the enemy. They're ordinary people too, forced to live in this hellscape just like the rest of us. Some of them have just been tricked into thinking there are threats worth voting against their interests for. That doesn't make them evil, it makes them victims of propaganda. On the contrary, viewing them as enemies and refusing to "forgive" them is exactly what the actual enemy - the wealthy ruling class - wants us to do. At the end of the day, the sides in this war aren't "democrats and republicans", they're "the poor and the rich". The sooner you realize that, the sooner you realize that the average voter isn't the one you should be angry with. Even if it feels justified, it's not useful. At best, it's energy wasted on fights that don't matter. --- Star Rail (601319792) \| FGO (960,463,298) Let's be friends~ <cite>SydnieStarlight posted [p:983826549] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>By and large, I see nothing to forgive. Nothing I've observed lends credence to the notion that far right ideology is actually that popular. There are certainly people who buy into it, but it's becoming increasingly clear that they're a vocal minority, considering all the shady things republicans have to pull to retain power. Why do you think Trump has to get rid of so many government folks and replace them with his own hand-picked yes men? It's because republicans couldn't get anything done if they allowed actual representatives of the people to hold positions of power.Like it or not, non-democrat voters aren't the enemy. They're ordinary people too, forced to live in this hellscape just like the rest of us. Some of them have just been tricked into thinking there are threats worth voting against their interests for. That doesn't make them evil, it makes them victims of propaganda. On the contrary, viewing them as enemies and refusing to "forgive" them is exactly what the actual enemy - the wealthy ruling class - wants us to do.At the end of the day, the sides in this war aren't "democrats and republicans", they're "the poor and the rich". The sooner you realize that, the sooner you realize that the average voter isn't the one you should be angry with. Even if it feels justified, it's not useful. At best, it's energy wasted on fights that don't matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaos_knight 01/27/25 10:28:57 AM #62:	SydnieStarlight posted... By and large, I see nothing to forgive. Nothing I've observed lends credence to the notion that far right ideology is actually that popular. There are certainly people who buy into it, but it's becoming increasingly clear that they're a vocal minority, considering all the shady things republicans have to pull to retain power. Why do you think Trump has to get rid of so many government folks and replace them with his own hand-picked yes men? It's because republicans couldn't get anything done if they allowed actual representatives of the people to hold positions of power. Like it or not, non-democrat voters aren't the enemy. They're ordinary people too, forced to live in this hellscape just like the rest of us. Some of them have just been tricked into thinking there are threats worth voting against their interests for. That doesn't make them evil, it makes them victims of propaganda. On the contrary, viewing them as enemies and refusing to "forgive" them is exactly what the actual enemy - the wealthy ruling class - wants us to do. At the end of the day, the sides in this war aren't "democrats and republicans", they're "the poor and the rich". The sooner you realize that, the sooner you realize that the average voter isn't the one you should be angry with. Even if it feels justified, it's not useful. At best, it's energy wasted on fights that don't matter. Well said. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:983826558] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>SydnieStarlight posted... </cite><quote>By and large, I see nothing to forgive. Nothing I've observed lends credence to the notion that far right ideology is actually that popular. There are certainly people who buy into it, but it's becoming increasingly clear that they're a vocal minority, considering all the shady things republicans have to pull to retain power. Why do you think Trump has to get rid of so many government folks and replace them with his own hand-picked yes men? It's because republicans couldn't get anything done if they allowed actual representatives of the people to hold positions of power.Like it or not, non-democrat voters aren't the enemy. They're ordinary people too, forced to live in this hellscape just like the rest of us. Some of them have just been tricked into thinking there are threats worth voting against their interests for. That doesn't make them evil, it makes them victims of propaganda. On the contrary, viewing them as enemies and refusing to "forgive" them is exactly what the actual enemy - the wealthy ruling class - wants us to do.At the end of the day, the sides in this war aren't "democrats and republicans", they're "the poor and the rich". The sooner you realize that, the sooner you realize that the average voter isn't the one you should be angry with. Even if it feels justified, it's not useful. At best, it's energy wasted on fights that don't matter.</quote>Well said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 01/27/25 10:28:58 AM #63:	chaos_knight posted... Going by that analogy, you still have to rely on those who gave the box cutters to win future elections. Literally impossible to not have a century of MAGA control otherwise. Literally not true, because your entire premise relies on the assumption that we were at 100% voter turnout this previous election. It also relies on the idea that we have to forgive Trump voters in order for them to vote differently next time. If they're going to continue to vote against their own best interests to spite people, forgiveness isn't going to do anything. This whole "The left must always take the high road!" is why we lose in the first place. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:983826559] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>chaos_knight posted... </cite><quote>Going by that analogy, you still have to rely on those who gave the box cutters to win future elections. Literally impossible to not have a century of MAGA control otherwise.</quote>Literally not true, because your entire premise relies on the assumption that we were at 100% voter turnout this previous election. It also relies on the idea that we have to forgive Trump voters in order for them to vote differently next time. If they're going to continue to vote against their own best interests to spite people, forgiveness isn't going to do anything.This whole "The left must always take the high road!" is why we lose in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 01/27/25 10:47:28 AM #64:	chaos_knight posted... Going by that analogy, you still have to rely on those who gave the box cutters to win future elections. Literally impossible to not have a century of MAGA control otherwise. Do you think Im going down an analogy rabbit hole with you? You dont get to side with a man who wants to hurt and kill people like me, and then act like Im being an unreasonable jerk for not automatic forgiving. I say again, lets start with what theyre doing to be worthy of forgiveness? Give me that before asking me about forgiving them. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:983826750] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>chaos_knight posted... </cite><quote>Going by that analogy, you still have to rely on those who gave the box cutters to win future elections. Literally impossible to not have a century of MAGA control otherwise.</quote>Do you think Im going down an analogy rabbit hole with you?You dont get to side with a man who wants to hurt and kill people like me, and then act like Im being an unreasonable jerk for not automatic forgiving.I say again, lets start with what theyre doing to be worthy of forgiveness? Give me that before asking me about forgiving them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 01/27/25 10:50:04 AM #65:	The only people I give a pass to on ever voting for Trump were West Virginians in 2016. That was before we knew the full, full extent of how bad Trump was, and they were horribly economically depressed and he was at least giving lip service to the only industry that could reliably provide good, in-state wages to folks. Beyond them in that year only? Fuck off. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:983826772] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>The only people I give a pass to on ever voting for Trump were West Virginians in 2016. That was before we knew the full, full extent of how bad Trump was, and they were horribly economically depressed and he was at least giving lip service to the only industry that could reliably provide good, in-state wages to folks. Beyond them in that year only? Fuck off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 01/27/25 11:02:44 AM #66:	Maybe in a timeline where they have a change of heart and the GOP is met with several major consecutive losses to the point where we actually have a chance of fixing this country But even then, too much damage will have already been done so....probably not --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:983826911] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>Maybe in a timeline where they have a change of heart and the GOP is met with several major consecutive losses to the point where we actually have a chance of fixing this countryBut even then, too much damage will have already been done so....probably not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pazzy 01/27/25 12:16:26 PM #67:	hmnut7 posted... How about this. What are my fellow Americans willing to do in order to be forgiven? What steps are they willing to take? The majority of them wont even admit what they did was wrong. In some cases, they even deny anything happened and that you're just trying "to make people look bad." Saying you did something and it's not wrong is bad, but outright denial of the things is even more ridiculous. <cite>pazzy posted [p:983827676] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>hmnut7 posted... </cite><quote>How about this. What are my fellow Americans willing to do in order to be forgiven? What steps are they willing to take? The majority of them wont even admit what they did was wrong.</quote>In some cases, they even deny anything happened and that you're just trying "to make people look bad." Saying you did something and it's not wrong is bad, but outright denial of the things is even more ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 01/27/25 12:20:56 PM #68:	pazzy posted... In some cases, they even deny anything happened and that you're just trying "to make people look bad." Saying you did something and it's not wrong is bad, but outright denial of the things is even more ridiculous. Hell, I'm convinced if, if the GOP ever turns on Trump, they'll spin him as the fault of the Dems somehow. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:983827728] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>pazzy posted... </cite><quote>In some cases, they even deny anything happened and that you're just trying "to make people look bad." Saying you did something and it's not wrong is bad, but outright denial of the things is even more ridiculous.</quote>Hell, I'm convinced if, if the GOP ever turns on Trump, they'll spin him as the fault of the Dems somehow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 01/27/25 12:36:45 PM #69:	I understand not wanting to forgive people who did and are doing harm gleefully, but as another poster said, if we're at each other's throats, we're not at the throats of the people funding this, messaging this, executing this, etc and they love that. A world in which families, neighbors, coworkers are disowning and becoming terminally cynical towards each other is the exact world in which fascism flourishes. Victims should not be asked to be the bigger person as someone continues to punch them in the face. But there's no positive outcome from societal blackpilling. I struggle with this myself as the people that voted for Trump have really worsened my life and it's only week two. But even if they never admit what they did wrong in the past, ceasing to do harm is a drastic improvement and is necessary. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:983827920] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>I understand not wanting to forgive people who did and are doing harm gleefully, but as another poster said, if we're at each other's throats, we're not at the throats of the people funding this, messaging this, executing this, etc and they love that. A world in which families, neighbors, coworkers are disowning and becoming terminally cynical towards each other is the exact world in which fascism flourishes. Victims should not be asked to be the bigger person as someone continues to punch them in the face. But there's no positive outcome from societal blackpilling. I struggle with this myself as the people that voted for Trump have really worsened my life and it's only week two. But even if they never admit what they did wrong in the past, ceasing to do harm is a drastic improvement and is necessary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deej 01/27/25 1:03:10 PM #70:	It'd take a lot to convince me Just about the only silver lining to this whole shitshow is that the myth of American exceptionalism is finally dead and buried. Because holy fuck, a nation of people that would elect Donald Trump twice is in no way exceptional --- Hey, everyone, what's going on in this topic? Oh. <cite>Deej posted [p:983828253] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>It'd take a lot to convince meJust about the only silver lining to this whole shitshow is that the myth of American exceptionalism is finally dead and buried. Because holy fuck, a nation of people that would elect Donald Trump twice is in no way exceptional </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 01/27/25 1:10:37 PM #71:	Collectively, I know that some form of solidarity amongst the working class is needed to get out of this mess, but damage was done enough that it might not be possible in my lifetime. I won't actively be hateful towards them as that's absolutely not good for my mental health that is already fragile, but I don't know I'll ever feel safe again. --- 1312 // Queer Liberation, Not Assimilation https://www.last.fm/user/crushedaria <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:983828348] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>Collectively, I know that some form of solidarity amongst the working class is needed to get out of this mess, but damage was done enough that it might not be possible in my lifetime. I won't actively be hateful towards them as that's absolutely not good for my mental health that is already fragile, but I don't know I'll ever feel safe again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pazzy 01/27/25 1:17:21 PM #72:	legendary_zell posted... I understand not wanting to forgive people who did and are doing harm gleefully, but as another poster said, if we're at each other's throats, we're not at the throats of the people funding this, messaging this, executing this, etc and they love that. A world in which families, neighbors, coworkers are disowning and becoming terminally cynical towards each other is the exact world in which fascism flourishes. Victims should not be asked to be the bigger person as someone continues to punch them in the face. But there's no positive outcome from societal blackpilling. I struggle with this myself as the people that voted for Trump have really worsened my life and it's only week two. But even if they never admit what they did wrong in the past, ceasing to do harm is a drastic improvement and is necessary. You can work with someone that you don't forgive. You also don't have to be at someone's throat to never trust their opinion or have significantly less respect for them. Pushing them away isn't how fascism flourishes though. Treating them with kids gloves is how we got here because the stupidity has never been dealt with in the US and despite the myriad of warnings from multiple government agencies that takes about it, nothing was ever done because it's never right to do so apparently. There is no compromise with this mentality. Fascism support has no compromise. <cite>pazzy posted [p:983828430] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>I understand not wanting to forgive people who did and are doing harm gleefully, but as another poster said, if we're at each other's throats, we're not at the throats of the people funding this, messaging this, executing this, etc and they love that. A world in which families, neighbors, coworkers are disowning and becoming terminally cynical towards each other is the exact world in which fascism flourishes. Victims should not be asked to be the bigger person as someone continues to punch them in the face. But there's no positive outcome from societal blackpilling. I struggle with this myself as the people that voted for Trump have really worsened my life and it's only week two. But even if they never admit what they did wrong in the past, ceasing to do harm is a drastic improvement and is necessary.</quote>You can work with someone that you don't forgive. You also don't have to be at someone's throat to never trust their opinion or have significantly less respect for them.Pushing them away isn't how fascism flourishes though. Treating them with kids gloves is how we got here because the stupidity has never been dealt with in the US and despite the myriad of warnings from multiple government agencies that takes about it, nothing was ever done because it's never right to do so apparently.There is no compromise with this mentality. Fascism support has no compromise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaos_knight 01/27/25 1:27:58 PM #73:	I talked about unification earlier, but I've already forgiven them. This schadenfreude is depressing. We'll never win back America if we hate each other more than Trump. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:983828571] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>I talked about unification earlier, but I've already forgiven them. This schadenfreude is depressing. We'll never win back America if we hate each other more than Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 01/27/25 1:28:58 PM #74:	legendary_zell posted... I understand not wanting to forgive people who did and are doing harm gleefully, but as another poster said, if we're at each other's throats, we're not at the throats of the people funding this, messaging this, executing this, etc and they love that. A world in which families, neighbors, coworkers are disowning and becoming terminally cynical towards each other is the exact world in which fascism flourishes. No. I simply will not play along with this narrative (I did in 2016 and it bit me in the ass hard in 2024, never again) Lets clear somethings up One, I can be pissed about people who didnt vote for Harris AND pissed about Trump at the same time, Im American I have enough hate and anger in my heart for more than one thing. So lets knock it off with this BS notion that because some of us are angry at people who let Trump take power means we are ignoring what Trump is doing with that power. believe me I am not. Two, the infighting would not be a problem if the people who let Trump happen werent such babies who refused to vote for their own self interest unless everyone in the Democratic Party gets them an ice cream cone and BJ. That is the power of the republicans over the democrats. Republicans will vote together even if their specific issue isnt catered to this go round. They will work with groups they do not like if it means gaining power. I will say it again, I am super pissed at those who didnt vote Harris, but if they want to defeat MAGA in 2026/2028, lets go. Everyone who is committed to ending MAGA is my ally, even if they arent my friends. I dont need an apology to work with them to defeat MAGA. But if they need unconditional forgiveness from me in order to defeat fascism then it means they dont want to defeat fascism so what are we even talking about? --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:983828579] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite><quote>I understand not wanting to forgive people who did and are doing harm gleefully, but as another poster said, if we're at each other's throats, we're not at the throats of the people funding this, messaging this, executing this, etc and they love that. A world in which families, neighbors, coworkers are disowning and becoming terminally cynical towards each other is the exact world in which fascism flourishes.</quote>No. I simply will not play along with this narrative (I did in 2016 and it bit me in the ass hard in 2024, never again)Lets clear somethings upOne, I can be pissed about people who didnt vote for Harris AND pissed about Trump at the same time, Im American I have enough hate and anger in my heart for more than one thing. So lets knock it off with this BS notion that because some of us are angry at people who let Trump take power means we are ignoring what Trump is doing with that power. believe me I am not.Two, the infighting would not be a problem if the people who let Trump happen werent such babies who refused to vote for their own self interest unless everyone in the Democratic Party gets them an ice cream cone and BJ.That is the power of the republicans over the democrats. Republicans will vote together even if their specific issue isnt catered to this go round. They will work with groups they do not like if it means gaining power. I will say it again, I am super pissed at those who didnt vote Harris, but if they want to defeat MAGA in 2026/2028, lets go. Everyone who is committed to ending MAGA is my ally, even if they arent my friends.I dont need an apology to work with them to defeat MAGA. But if they need unconditional forgiveness from me in order to defeat fascism then it means they dont want to defeat fascism so what are we even talking about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InTheEyesOfFire 01/27/25 1:53:05 PM #75:	No. --- "Oh man would you just shut up already, how come all you sword guys have to talk about how cool your swords are?" <cite>InTheEyesOfFire posted [p:983828883] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KajeI 01/27/25 1:54:59 PM #76:	InTheEyesOfFire posted... No. --- Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding and i can TELL you, always faster and easier to just kill em. Just is! <cite>KajeI posted [p:983828910] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>InTheEyesOfFire posted... </cite><quote>No.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evillink2000 01/27/25 1:55:47 PM #77:	No. <cite>Evillink2000 posted [p:983828922] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hmnut7 01/28/25 11:42:59 AM #78:	This so dumb topic aged like milk. In just the last 24 hours King Trump is trying to end federal loans and grants, if this happens it would be catastrophic. For me personally it could be devastating and the hardest part is knowing my fellow Americans would not vote against this. I could lose my job, and/or my parents could lose their healthcare get sick and die. It is unfair and unreasonable to expect me to forgive people who put me and my family in danger just because Kamala wasnt perfect. I will NEVER forgive them for this. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) <cite>hmnut7 posted [p:983839940] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>This so dumb topic aged like milk.In just the last 24 hours King Trump is trying to end federal loans and grants, if this happens it would be catastrophic.For me personally it could be devastating and the hardest part is knowing my fellow Americans would not vote against this. I could lose my job, and/or my parents could lose their healthcare get sick and die.It is unfair and unreasonable to expect me to forgive people who put me and my family in danger just because Kamala wasnt perfect. I will NEVER forgive them for this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Agent_Stroud 01/28/25 11:45:09 AM #79:	I might forgive, but I certainly wont forget, and if I have any say in the matter, neither will they since they need to be reminded regularly of who and what they voted for. --- "We're going to shake things up, Morgan. Like old times." -- Alex Yu, Prey (2017) <cite>Agent_Stroud posted [p:983839970] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>I might forgive, but I certainly wont forget, and if I have any say in the matter, neither will they since they need to be reminded regularly of who and what they voted for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass 01/28/25 12:04:24 PM #80:	No. Those fuckers made my life worse, and are making a lot of innocent people fear for their lives. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Bass posted [p:983840223] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>No. Those fuckers made my life worse, and are making a lot of innocent people fear for their lives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Boombam99 01/28/25 12:15:29 PM #81:	Absolutely not. I would have been willing to forgive after the first time he was elected if people realized they made a mistake. But electing him a second time is unforgivable, and they knew exactly what they wanted with him <cite>Boombam99 posted [p:983840349] in Will you e... [t:80925000]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely not. I would have been willing to forgive after the first time he was elected if people realized they made a mistake. But electing him a second time is unforgivable, and they knew exactly what they wanted with him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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