Current Events > Kamala's campaign DIDN'T EVEN COLLECT DATA on Gaza as an issue

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Jesus fucking Christ man

That...that was stupid...what the #$## was she thinking?

She ran the Perfect Campaign.

Before people go out on a rant, I need to ask the people who thought Kamala winning over every protest voter would have been futile in the end: would she have likely won by agreeing to the demands of the Uncommitted movement? After all, some folks here seem to think they're too small a group to be blamed for her defeat. If they were to now say that Kamala should have given them a bigger spot on the table, would that not be logically inconsistent with the aforementioned claim?

Humble_Novice posted...

Before people go out on a rant, I need to ask the people who thought Kamala winning over every protest voter would have been futile in the end: would she have likely won by agreeing to the demands of the Uncommitted movement? After all, some folks here seem to think they're too small a group to be blamed for her defeat.

If not then I guess we can stop wagging our finger at them, if so then maybe she should have listened to them.

Either way, her campaign team was incompetent.

The Democrats need a mass clear out of all the advisers and consultants they have been using since Clinton (both of them).

They are not up to the job.

Party needs to realize it's not the 90s any more.

cjsdowg posted...

She ran the Perfect Campaign.

We should teach her a lesson!

The Democrats need a mass clear out of all the advisers and consultants they have been using since Clinton (both of them).

They are not up to the job.

Party needs to realize it's not the 90s any more.

I mean Obama had to have done SOMETHING right but no one seemed to listen to him after he won or something.

Being Israel's bitch is one of the few truly bipartisan points of agreement in the US

Necronmon posted...

I mean Obama had to have done SOMETHING right but no one seemed to listen to him after he won or something.

Obama used populist messaging and was an excellent speaker with a lot of charisma.

ablegator posted...

We should teach her a lesson!

No nothing will , many of these people were with Hillary. So they have already lost to Trump before, and they did it again. Harris was hand picked by Hillary to be the One. And now after losing to Trump twice they are still being smug.

good thing she lost eh we are really going places

If only she had earned our vote

Garioshi posted...

Jesus fucking Christ man

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Vegy posted...

If only she had earned our vote

If more people felt that she had, the Trump nightmare would have been avoided.

Nobody can name the Weimar politicians who stood up to Hitler.

Folks still remember Chamberlain for being the fool who thought appeasing Hitler would resolve anything...Biden's going to end up as being another fool like him.

Necronmon posted...

Folks still remember Chamberlain for being the fool who thought appeasing Hitler would resolve anything...Biden's going to end up as being another fool like him.

Biden will likely be remembered as the American Paul Von Hindenberg

It's funny how the pro-palestine crowd both don't want the blame for Harris losing and constantly try to convince everyone else that they were very impactful to her loss. Pick the lane you want to ride.

Tmaster148 posted...

It's funny how the pro-palestine crowd both don't want the blame for Harris losing and constantly try to convince everyone else that they were very impactful to her loss. Pick the lane you want to ride.

It's very similar to vocal pirates. And I don't mean like regular people I mean the kind who literally operate torrent sites and such and they'll go on rants about free culture or cherry picked studies about how piracy actually helps and then when they finally get busted all those arguments melt away and get replaced with "I didn't do anything I just hosted a website with links"

shitlibs gonna shitlib

And it was the right call since that group can't even do the barest minimum of voting in their own interest. As a result, they have no political party.

Republicans hate them for obvious reasons. Democratic voters hate them for their sheer lack of logic and strategy, not to mention the anti-blackness and antisemitism AND anti-LGBT+ sentiments running in that group.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

And it was the right call since that group can't even do the barest minimum of voting in their own interest. As a result, they have no political party.

It was the right call to not even collect the data on how much of their voting base was concerned over them supporting genocide?

Also who is "that group?" Sounds like you hate Arabs/Muslims without wanting to say it.

El_Dustino posted...

Also who is "that group?" Sounds like you hate Arabs/Muslims without wanting to say it.

There's a lot of that about. Carefully worded so it slips under the radar.

You don't always find it where you expect either.

El_Dustino posted...

It was the right call to not even collect the data on how much of their voting base was concerned over them supporting genocide?

Also who is "that group?" Sounds like you hate Arabs/Muslims without wanting to say it.

Putting words and misconstruing the point. That group is exactly who I mentioned, aka Uncommitted, Abandon Harris, etc.

Quite literally people told them their goals and methods are antithetical to what they actually wanted but was met with hostility. So, it's no love lost now.

So the uncommitted vote WAS big enough to throw the election for Trump.

And they did so.

They'd better have their happy face on, cause they are getting everything they asked for.

i dont really accept "gaza" as a justification for why people voted for trump or refused to vote.

i mean, unless they actually want gaza destroyed like the abandon harris crowd protested for

Tmaster148 posted...

It's funny how the pro-palestine crowd both don't want the blame for Harris losing and constantly try to convince everyone else that they were very impactful to her loss. Pick the lane you want to ride.

it's infuriating how not only is there no resistance to Trump, people are actively blaming Democrats for him

what BDSM masochism is this?

UnfairRepresent posted...

it's infuriating how not only is there no resistance to Trump, people are actively blaming Democrats for him

what BDSM masochism is this?

its because they wanted trump to win. their actions dont reconcile with their words. theirs actions speak louder than their words.

Tom_Joad posted...

So the uncommitted vote WAS big enough to throw the election for Trump.

And they did so.

How can you say that? We don't have a way to track that because the source that was in the best position to do wrote them off out of pocket so much that they didn't even bother to record the numbers. The whole "didn't earn my vote" thing is a black hole of unproductive argument, but earning votes is the only job a politician has. With democracy on the line, writing off an entire segment of the population that is actively trying to reach out to you to voice their concerns is not even attempting to earn votes and malpractice of the highest degree. Putting more responsibility on the voters than the organization whose responsibility it was to sway those voters is lunacy. I personally don't believe the uncommitted vote is solely responsible for the loss. Losing ground in every single county in the country is emblematic of a far, far larger problem than a single issue.

Garioshi posted...

writing off an entire segment of the population that is actively trying to reach out to you to voice their concerns

doesnt this segment of the population also have a responsibility to apply critical thought and act in their own best interest, if not choose the correct choice morally? why did this segment of the population refuse to do any of that?

She probably assumed people would be against a Trail of Tears 2.0, but that clearly wasn't a safe assumption. Netanyahu thanks all the protest voters for their (continued) service to Israel.

Sounds about right. They tried to turn her silencing Palestinian protestors into a campaign slogan

Rika_Furude posted...

doesnt this segment of the population also have a responsibility to apply critical thought and act in their own best interest, if not choose the correct choice morally? why did this segment of the population refuse to do any of that?

This logic is never applied to the moderates and conservatives her campaign bent over backwards to reach out to.

They decided that those voters were more worth catering to than genocide protesters, and in the end won neither.

Intro2Logic posted...

This logic is never applied to the moderates and conservatives her campaign bent over backwards to reach out to.

They decided that those voters were more worth catering to than genocide protesters, and in the end won neither.

Yeah, thats a pretty bad call. Not denying it.

But I'd say its a worse call to look at an ongoing genocide, think "hmm, its bad that my family back home is currently being bombed, I'm going to support the political party that wants to bomb them even more and remove them from their homes if they somehow survive"

Akuryu posted...

She probably assumed people would be against a Trail of Tears 2.0,

All the more reason to get him talking about the issue. The media didnt press him on his Gaza plan but she could have during the debate.

If you want want people to make calm, rational decisions, killing their families is pretty much the exact opposite of what you should do.

Intro2Logic posted...

If you want want people to make calm, rational decisions, killing their families is pretty much the exact opposite of what you should do.

its impossible to care more about people than they care about themselves

WOW.

Talk about really not giving a s***.

Guess they didn't expect "No Response" to turn into "No Vote".

It's 2025. Trump is out there talking about building casinos atop the corpses in Gaza, and yall are still making "b-b-but Kamala!" threads. Israel truly couldn't ask for better allies. A more easily manipulated group of people you'll never find.

@Akuryu Seriously eh? Those are my thoughts exactly.
Like its fucking over already.
there is no use in hindsight.
Democracy is Dead, the country is in shambles and digging in its own grave.
It is a very grim future we have ahead of us.,
The republicans could have/may have rigged the election and the democrats would be too spineless to do anything about it.
They are not our voices, they are the voices that try to silence us.

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I dont remember a single person saying that. Most people were talking about Trumps shitty campaign and all the propaganda the republicans were spreading
even though we all remember trump saying you dont need to vote or that the Elon had access to the voting computers, but than we were all told not to stoop as low as the republicans by claiming rigged election and even the moderators on here told us to hush up or be moderated.
Even if she did run a perfect campaign it wouldnt have mattered though.
The country is beyond saving at this point. The hatred and evil has grown far too strong at this point.
America is already lost.

Rika_Furude posted...

doesnt this segment of the population also have a responsibility to apply critical thought and act in their own best interest, if not choose the correct choice morally? why did this segment of the population refuse to do any of that?

I'm not disagreeing with you. If I had to guess, "I'm a direct continuation of an incredibly unpopular administration but I'm not Hitler (but I will continue doing a genocide)" is not a very appealing sales pitch. In addition, Kamala and the Biden administration in general told transparent, smarmy lies on Gaza and didn't even pretend to care. Trump firehoses off a billion contradictory lies a minute and backs off half of the stuff he says he's going to do. I'm not endorsing this line if thinking, but it is much, much easier to read a more positive message into Trump's rhetoric for someone who only cares about Gaza. There are plenty of Americans who have family members in Gaza that were murdered by weapons sent by the Biden. Could you vote for someone directly responsible for your cousin's death? Your sibling's? A parent?

Again, I still don't think this is anywhere near most of the reason for Kamala's loss. I think you and your fellow "why didn't they listen to reason????" users see something easy to blame. A bigger reason, for example, may be that the Biden administration was historically unpopular and the Kamala campaign refused to break with it in any meaningful way. The biggest break she promised was putting a Republican in her cabinet. What about the DNC railroading Biden through the primaries while his brain was turning into pudding TWICE? Hammering that would put nuance into a situation that you don't want to be nuanced. Liberal complacency has always been a breeding ground for fascism.

I'm of the view that even a much better policy on Gaza would not have helped Harris overcome the 120k she lost by in Pennsylvania. The administration should have pursued a better policy anyways because genocide is a moral stain. Leaving Gaza in rubble has only made the people there more vulnerable to the plans of Trump and his ilk.

Necronmon posted...

I mean Obama had to have done SOMETHING right but no one seemed to listen to him after he won or something.

Obama inexplicably dismantled his campaign after winning. He gave the DNC nothing.

Who cares. She was clearly the better candidate. Voters are stupid and or evil

Why would this even surprise anyone the whole campaign was inept and cartoon evil. They punted on maybe the biggest actual voting issue for independents. This is a large reason independents stayed homes.

CreekCo posted...

Why would this even surprise anyone the whole campaign was inept and cartoon evil. They punted on maybe the biggest actual voting issue for independents. This is a large reason independents stayed homes.

What fucking cartoons are you watching?

Akuryu posted...

It's 2025. Trump is out there talking about building casinos atop the corpses in Gaza, and yall are still making "b-b-but Kamala!" threads. Israel truly couldn't ask for better allies. A more easily manipulated group of people you'll never find.

Trump had those plans before the election, most of us here saw this is where things were heading, it's frustrating to see Harris didn't even want to collect the data to push Trump on this issue.

Didn't Trump say he'd tell Israel to "finish the job" or something similar? Not sure why Harris would need to address Gaza when the opposition was clearly much worse than the (at the time) current administration.