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Watched it. Give it a 6/10. Enjoyed it but it seemed disjointed

Definitely has any man quantumania, Thor love and thunder and marvels messiness

Eternals gets a bad rep. At least it swung for the fences

Blue_Popo posted...

Watched it. Give it a 6/10. Enjoyed it but it seemed disjointed

Definitely has any man quantumania, Thor love and thunder and marvels messiness

This movie is more similar to black widow than any of those if anything. Again Deadpool 3 has more in common with those movies than this.

I feel like the main lead doesn't have what it takes to carry the movie. That chick from Eternals had the same problem. Took me a while to realize she was the main character lol

Toonstrack posted...

This movie is more similar to black widow than any of those if anything. Again Deadpool 3 has more in common with those movies than this.

Eh black widow seems a few tiers above those movies. It didn't seem as disjointed

shinymon posted...

I feel like the main lead doesn't have what it takes to carry the movie. That chick from Eternals had the same problem. Took me a while to realize she was the main character lol

Take MCU out of it. Anthony Mackie is a better actor than Evans.

Sam just isn't Steve rogers

shinymon posted...

I feel like the main lead doesn't have what it takes to carry the movie. That chick from Eternals had the same problem. Took me a while to realize she was the main character lol

He does. But the movie definitely doesnt want to give him anything to work with other than trying to be friendly with the sidekick

Blue_Popo posted...

Eh black widow seems a few tiers above those movies. It didn't seem as disjointed

What exactly does disjointed mean here? This movie especially is pretty centered around its narrative.

Toonstrack posted...

Im talking about Adam mckay.

tbh I'm of the opinion that McKay's Will Ferrell comedies in the 2000's have more artistic worth than any of his embarrassing films like the big short and vice

Im never trusting online reviews with anything Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Superheroes if the star is Black

The internet has proven that they just can't be trusted to not simply review bomb it.

BeantownHero posted...

Im never trusting online reviews with anything Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Superheroes if the star is Black

The internet has proven that they just can't be trusted to not simply review bomb it.

The first Black Panther movie did well. The old Blade movie did well.

How are the sales so far?

VeggetaX posted...

How are the sales so far?

$40 million opening day

ironman2009 posted...

$40 million opening day

Is that good or bad? I don't know the standards any more these days.

Seems pretty good to me

VeggetaX posted...

Is that good or bad?

Shit, word of mouth is pretty bad, the opening weekend is lower than Quantumania, and the budget as listed would need $400M to break even. I say as listed because Disney loves to lie about the budgets of their projects (Multiverse of Madness, Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker, Acolyte, Black Widow, Quantumania, Marvels, etc) and put them lower than what they actually cost. This movie probably cost a lot closer to $250-$280 million, which would mean $600 million or so would be needed just to break even.

dancing_cactuar posted...

Shit, word of mouth is pretty bad, the opening weekend is lower than Quantumania, and the budget as listed would need $400M to break even. I say as listed because Disney loves to lie about the budgets of their projects (Multiverse of Madness, Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker, Acolyte, Black Widow, Quantumania, Marvels, etc) and put them lower than what they actually cost. This movie probably cost a lot closer to $250-$280 million, which would mean $600 million or so would be needed just to break even.

Quantumania actually had a strong opening. Even higher than guardians 3. It's what happened after that was bad.

Budget who knows. Officially 180 but Hollywood accounting is a mess. Technically none of the Harry Potter movies made money on their books but we don't know.

Deadline says breakeven is 425 million. It could get there, maybe

Blue_Popo posted...

Quantumania actually had a strong opening. Even higher than guardians 3.

Today I learned that $106.1 million is higher than $118.4 million.

Budget who knows. Officially 180 but

But as I said, Disney has a history of lying repeatedly about budgets so there is quite literally no reason to trust that number in any way, shape, or form. Got some bridges to sell if you believe that number is legit and that this cost $100M less than Black Widow.

Deadline says breakeven is 425 million. It could get there, maybe

They also were the ones that said Forbes was wrong in their budget report of The Marvels and lowballed it to fuck saying that it was $200M or so (which funnily enough, Forbes was indeed wrong but due to it being too low, not too high). Deadline is barely trustworthy at all.

$100 million opening over a 4-day weekend.

Audience score is terrible though, so it might drop off next weekend.

dancing_cactuar posted...

Today I learned that $106.1 million is higher than $118.4 million.

But as I said, Disney has a history of lying repeatedly about budgets so there is quite literally no reason to trust that number in any way, shape, or form. Got some bridges to sell if you believe that number is legit and that this cost $100M less than Black Widow.

They also were the ones that said Forbes was wrong in their budget report of The Marvels and lowballed it to fuck saying that it was $200M or so (which funnily enough, Forbes was wrong but due to it being too low). Deadline is barely trustworthy at all.

Was mistaken on ant man vs guardians. Still, lower than any man 3 opening isn't an issue. It was what happened after that ruined any man box office

Yeah it's possible they are cooking numbers here but they are still a trade with better sources than us. Please provide your sources for your number. I'm well aware the trades would say one number then amend months/years later and it could happen again but right now we have no official numbers unless you worked on it.

It's probably not going to profit but that's on Marvel for not delivering a movie that audiences resonated with

seems like another one of those "i'll wait till it hits Disney Plus" type of movies.

I'd give it a 5/10. It's not amazing but they have some good parts, they just needed to put it together a bit better. Giancarlo Esposito was added entirely through reshoots iirc. They did integrate him better than the TMNT movie integrated the "real" Shredder i guess?

It's not Thor 2, Ant Man 2, or Quantumania level bad. Hopefully they continue to work on Sam. I am a bit excited for Thunderbolts and how they'll involve Bucky with what we got from this movie.

Just finished it. It's absolutely fine. Pretty middke of the pack for MCU but not as messy as something like love and thunder. Could have streamlined the story a bit but it wasn't a shitshow or anything. Only real complaints are the action was a little weak at times and Mackie definitely just doesn't have the charisma. Also Red Hulk would have hit super hard if they had actually kept it a secret. Marketing fucked that one up.

They do need to stop crunching the special effects departments too. Some of the ocean shots and the final fight shots were ROUGH.

Saw the movie. Gave it is 6.5/10. Thought Sam was great in the role and all the action scenes were good. Also glad the MCU isn't avoiding the "Giant Frozen Robot" anymore.

Biggest gripe is where the heck is Hulk? Hulk is referenced in the film constantly, both of the main villains of the film are radiation powered Hulk villains that even look like Hulk, and Betty even returns. However, Hulk is nowhere in sight. WTF Marvel!

Charged151 posted...

Saw the movie. Gave it is 6.5/10. Thought Sam was great in the role and all the action scenes were good. Also glad the MCU isn't avoiding the "Giant Frozen Robot" anymore.

Biggest gripe is where the heck is Hulk? Hulk is referenced in the film constantly, both of the main villains of the film are radiation powered Hulk villains that even look like Hulk, and Betty even returns. However, Hulk is nowhere in sight. WTF Marvel!

I get it but there isn't a moment to reach out to him. Sam does a military mission, his partner gets hurt. Red Hulk is a surprise to him when he gets there and he takes care of red hulk

VeggetaX posted...

Is that good or bad? I don't know the standards any more these days.

Depressing as hell, isn't it?

Charged151 posted...

Biggest gripe is where the heck is Hulk? Hulk is referenced in the film constantly, both of the main villains of the film are radiation powered Hulk villains that even look like Hulk, and Betty even returns. However, Hulk is nowhere in sight. WTF Marvel!

We really can't still be asking these questions after 15 years right? All these guys have each other on speed dial and could easily wipe any threat if they helped each other. The reason they don't in every movie is because a movie has to happen.

specialkid8 posted...

We really can't still be asking these questions after 15 years right? All these guys have each other on speed dial and could easily wipe any threat if they helped each other. The reason they don't in every movie is because a movie has to happen.

Except this is a movie with 2 Hulk villains (one of which has major history with Hulk) + Banner's former love interest returns. Worse still, Banner and Ross (and Betty for that matter) have never interacted since the 2008 Hulk movie. Ross never making things right with Banner just leaves things feeling hollow. It's just several massive missed opportunities. Issue is also has many facets to it... Ex: It feels like Cap stole villains that Hulk should have dealt with.

This isn't helped by how poorly Hulk was handled in Endgame and the She Hulk show.

Blue_Popo posted...

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_america_brave_new_world

Not a good start at all. Sucks as I was interested in this. I mean I may still enjoy it

So do you just not make your own opinions or

Blue_Popo posted...

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_america_brave_new_world

Not a good start at all. Sucks as I was interested in this. I mean I may still enjoy it but Marvel can't seem to string together back to back wins anymore. They had good momentum with Deadpool and Agatha.

At least Daredevil isn't that far away

Audience score up to 80% while Critics score is 50%...? I personally feel if you average the two to 65% and you get a more accurate number. My personal score for the film was a 6.5/10, so it fits.

rexcrk posted...

So do you just not make your own opinions or

I do but sadly it ended up being close to the critics. Closer to a 6 though

Charged151 posted...

Audience score up to 80%

Audience scores are almost always crap.

I wouldn't trust the average person's views on media

Doom_Art posted...

Audience scores are almost always crap.

I wouldn't trust the average person's views on media

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Charged151 posted...

Except this is a movie with 2 Hulk villains (one of which has major history with Hulk) + Banner's former love interest returns. Worse still, Banner and Ross (and Betty for that matter) have never interacted since the 2008 Hulk movie. Ross never making things right with Banner just leaves things feeling hollow. It's just several massive missed opportunities. Issue is also has many facets to it... Ex: It feels like Cap stole villains that Hulk should have dealt with.

This isn't helped by how poorly Hulk was handled in Endgame and the She Hulk show.

lolwut
This movie explicitly states that Betty and Bruce are exes, why would he still be talking to her? It also explicitly states that Ross and Betty are not on speaking terms.

Why woudl Ross have contacted Bruce again? He's a douchebag, a borderline villain. After Banner was brought onto the avengers he essentially became a government agent so, Ross had nothing to do with him. He knows he is a part of rhe avengers as he mentions that Banner has been missing in Civil War(this is because Hulk left earth in 2014 during Age of Ultron).

If you watch the movie it's very clear why banner isn't there for Red Hulk, thewhole thing goes down in maybe 30 minutes in their time so he wouldn't be there in time anyway.

Blue_Popo posted...

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He's right though the audience score on RT is as useless as a handbrake on a canoe

Toonstrack posted...

This movie explicitly states that Betty and Bruce are exes, why would he still be talking to her? It also explicitly states that Ross and Betty are not on speaking terms.

They are ex's because Bruce had to go on the run thanks to the government/Ross. Hence why Betty doesn't like her dad. We never see the two interact after the 2008 Hulk movie. That's a failing. Same thing with Thor/Jane breaking up between Thor 2 and 3.

Toonstrack posted...

Why would Ross have contacted Bruce again? He's a douchebag, a borderline villain. After Banner was brought onto the avengers he essentially became a government agent so, Ross had nothing to do with him. He knows he is a part of rhe avengers as he mentions that Banner has been missing in Civil War(this is because Hulk left earth in 2014 during Age of Ultron).

The movie constantly brings up the Hulk but never bothers to bring him back. It is eye-rolling. I also was aware of why he wasn't present in Civil War.

Toonstrack posted...

If you watch the movie it's very clear why banner isn't there for Red Hulk, thewhole thing goes down in maybe 30 minutes in their time so he wouldn't be there in time anyway.

If you don't see anything wrong with Cap being given two Hulk villains when the Hulk is not present (yet still get referenced), I don't know what to tell you. It is bad writing.

Blue_Popo posted...

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Funny. Sometimes I agree with the audience score...sometimes I agree with the critical score. Something like Discovery the audience score was closer to the truth. Of course, everyone has an opinion.

https://www.metacritic.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/

Wikipedia reports 180 million on the budget and CNN reports making up to 100 million this weekend.

Hopefully Ed Brubaker's getting some money from this. The way the movies have treated most of the creators from whose works they adapt from is shitty.

Charged151 posted...

They are ex's because Bruce had to go on the run thanks to the government/Ross. Hence why Betty doesn't like her dad. We never see the two interact after the 2008 Hulk movie. That's a failing. Same thing with Thor/Jane breaking up between Thor 2 and 3.

It wasn't just because of Ross. Banner is hesitant to enter relationships for obvious reasons. This was explicitly covered in avengers 2.

Bettys barely in the movie, why would Bruce be?

The movie constantly brings up the Hulk but never bothers to bring him back. It is eye-rolling. I also was aware of why he wasn't present in Civil War.

It doesn't constantly bring him up. I think he's mentioned by a news reporter once and thats literally it. Gamma radiation comes up a lot but not in relation to banner.

If you don't see anything wrong with Cap being given two Hulk villains when the Hulk is not present (yet still get referenced), I don't know what to tell you. It is bad writing.

No, that's not what bad writing is just because you are unfamiliar sith comics and wish to pigeonhole these characters so they can only interact with one other hero. Red hulk has interacted with many many characters since his introduction, as has thunderbolt Ross. These include both captains america, Thor, Wolverine and more.
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VeggetaX posted...

Wikipedia reports 180 million on the budget and CNN reports making up to 100 million this weekend.

100m domestic, 90m overseas. Its currently at 190m WW

Toonstrack posted...

No, that's not what bad writing is just because you are unfamiliar sith comics and wish to pigeonhole these characters so they can only interact with one other hero. Red hulk has interacted with many many characters since his introduction, as has thunderbolt Ross. These include both captains america, Thor, Wolverine and more.

I am familiar with the comics and other stories. Despite interacting with others, the Red Hulk is still principally a Hulk villain. As most MCU villains are one and done, it feels wrong to not put a Hulk villain (well 2 Hulk villains) not against the Hulk. Imagine if Red Skull was used as a one and done villain on someone other than Cap. Beyond that though, the MCU have just dropped the ball on Hulk hard and it is clear he isn't going to get much focus going forward. Not getting any resolution with either Ross or Betty at any rate is still a criticism.

Charged151 posted...

I am familiar with the comics and other stories. Despite interacting with others, the Red Hulk is still principally a Hulk villain. As most MCU villains are one and done, it feels wrong to not put a Hulk villain (well 2 Hulk villains) not against the Hulk. Imagine if Red Skull was used as a one and done villain on someone other than Cap. Beyond that though, the MCU have just dropped the ball on Hulk hard and it is clear he isn't going to get much focus going forward. Not getting any resolution with either Ross or Betty at any rate is still a criticism.

Both red hulk and leader are still here for hulk to face if they are allowed

Blue_Popo posted...

Both red hulk and leader are still here for hulk to face if they are allowed

Well Red Hulk is "redeemed" and both are in the Raft. It seems like a very remote possibility. Doubly so when most MCU villains are one and done.

HighSeraph posted...

He's right though the audience score on RT is as useless as a handbrake on a canoe

People jump between "You can't trust critics, check audience score!" and "You can't trust audience, check critic score!" so quickly from person to person and movie to movie that it gives me severe whiplash.

HashtagSEP posted...

People jump between "You can't trust critics, check audience score!" and "You can't trust audience, check critic score!" so quickly from person to person and movie to movie that it gives me severe whiplash.

And then there's me. I just watch whatever looks interesting and dgaf what the Internet hivemind and/or a bunch of professional fart sniffers think.

Charged151 posted...

I am familiar with the comics and other stories. Despite interacting with others, the Red Hulk is still principally a Hulk villain. As most MCU villains are one and done, it feels wrong to not put a Hulk villain (well 2 Hulk villains) not against the Hulk

Ross already faced the hulk. Red hulk hasn't, but he we don't know if hes a one and done yet.

Trust no one, not even yourself

Tbh, Red Hulk is mostly known for being a member of the Thunderbolts anyway and that seems to be the direction they're heading in

The possibility of Hulk vs Red Hulk isn't dead in the water either, especially if the rumors about Hulk going World War Hulk eventually are to be believed. That's a very easy set up for Ross to go after him as the Red Hulk (with a bit of role reversal).

Personally, I don't mind Red Hulk being an enemy for Sam. This isn't the first, second or even third time another character's villain was repurposed as a villain for someone else. See: Ghost, Ronan, Ego, High Evo, the real Mandarin, hell even Thanos himself had no real special connection to Iron Man in the comics, being mostly a villain for Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer. In fact, I'd argue that Thanos never fighting Adam Warlock in the MCU is more egregious than Red Hulk in Captain America

The MCU movies have just turned into trash that gets churned out to drive ticket sales.

There is nothing special about them. There's no passion behind them. I don't think they have the ability to recapture the magic that made the older movies so good.