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ReturnOfDevsman
02/22/25 8:20:40 AM
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Or are they constantly searching for blood to shed?

Or perhaps they believe nothing bad can happen to/around them?

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Tsukasa1891
02/22/25 8:26:49 AM
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All the above.

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tripleh213
02/22/25 8:30:24 AM
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Tsukasa1891 posted...
All the above.


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Alteres
02/22/25 8:34:05 AM
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You are much more likely to die from the asshole following too close behind you slamming in to you should an actual accident occur in front of you then you are from making the tailgater have to slow down.

*suck it up and give people space champ

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R_Jackal
02/22/25 8:36:25 AM
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The real answer is both of them are, brake checkers and tailgaters. No defending either one and doing one doesn't justify the other. Both of them are fucking idiots sorely lacking in common sense.
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JohnEtrav
02/22/25 8:43:57 AM
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R_Jackal posted...
The real answer is both of them are, brake checkers and tailgaters. No defending either one and doing one doesn't justify the other. Both of them are fucking idiots sorely lacking in common sense.
This. Driving a motor vehicle at a high speed close enough to another vehicle that a brake check should bother you means youre probably in the wrong.

The person hitting the brakes is a dick too but guess whos going to be found liable for the accident?

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ReturnOfDevsman
02/22/25 8:45:19 AM
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Alteres posted...
You are much more likely to die from the asshole following too close behind you slamming in to you should an actual accident occur in front of you then you are from making the tailgater have to slow down.

*suck it up and give people space champ
How do these compare with pulling over to let the asshole pass?

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Euripides
02/22/25 8:48:05 AM
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I expect Nemu to show up at any time to defend tailgating

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Enclave
02/22/25 8:48:40 AM
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The one accident I've been in was from some idiot following too close behind when the person in front of me suddenly hit their brakes.

When talking to insurance they were trying to see if I shared blame, I pointed out that I had time to stop without hitting the person in front of me and the insurance agent chuckled and agreed.

While people shouldn't brake check? Brake checking should never cause an accident because nobody should be so close behind you that they don't have time to react and stop.

People who tailgate need to lose their fucking licenses. The idiot who hit me gave me whiplash and my neck has never been quite the same since.

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Alteres
02/22/25 9:06:43 AM
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
How do these compare with pulling over to let the asshole pass?
Oh I dont do that, Im worse

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R_Jackal
02/22/25 9:07:06 AM
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JohnEtrav posted...
This. Driving a motor vehicle at a high speed close enough to another vehicle that a brake check should bother you means youre probably in the wrong.

The person hitting the brakes is a dick too but guess whos going to be found liable for the accident?
I'm not considering liability. Just considering how much both want to die engaging in this behavior, not weaponizing our legal system and insurance agencies.

Me, I just flip on the hazard lights while I'm being tailgated and continue on. Has a 100% success rate for me so far in getting them to pass on my 20-ish years driving.
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voldothegr8
02/22/25 9:15:22 AM
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No, highway tailgaters are the suicidal idiots. One of the fundamentals of driving is that sudden stops can happen at any given second, so always leave some space between you and the next vehicle. Especially going 60+ MPH.

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neccis
02/22/25 9:15:45 AM
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Or are they constantly searching for blood to shed?

Or perhaps they believe nothing bad can happen to/around them?
American bubble culture

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Dungeater
02/22/25 9:20:39 AM
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brake checkers are dangerous and stupid, but i cant say ive ever been brake checked bc im not a tailgating asshole so i dunno

fuck tailgaters

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Evening_Dragon
02/22/25 9:21:11 AM
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Breakcheckers are heroes and I will hear nothing to the contrary.

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vigorm0rtis
02/22/25 9:21:39 AM
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Enclave posted...
nobody should be so close behind you that they don't have time to react and stop.

People who tailgate need to lose their fucking licenses.

This.

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MrResetti
02/22/25 9:22:31 AM
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Get the fuck out of the left lane
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Dungeater
02/22/25 9:32:29 AM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
Breakcheckers are heroes and I will hear nothing to the contrary.
they get people killed or permanently impaired

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Sunburst
02/22/25 9:34:27 AM
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Just pass them or pull over, turn around, and take alternative route.

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voldothegr8
02/22/25 9:34:33 AM
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Dungeater posted...
they get people killed or permanently impaired
I suppose tailgaters are people too. Idiotic people if you ask me.

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Dungeater
02/22/25 9:37:11 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
I suppose tailgaters are people too. Idiotic people if you ask me.
if the only people involved in accidents were the ones responsible for those accidents, sure

this is not the case

a rear-end on a highway at a high rate of speed often ends so much worse

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voldothegr8
02/22/25 9:39:59 AM
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Dungeater posted...
if the only people involved in accidents were the ones responsible for those accidents, sure

this is not the case
That is the case *put on nerd glasses* actually, a fundamental of driving is to always leave enough distance between yourself and the next vehicle as sudden stops can occur at any given second.

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boomgetchopped3
02/22/25 9:40:23 AM
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Brake checking is more about retaliation than anything. Trying to get back at people on the road is pretty dumb

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Dungeater
02/22/25 9:41:40 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
That is the case *put on nerd glasses* actually, a fundamental of driving is to always leave enough distance between yourself and the next vehicle as sudden stops can occur at any given second.
no, that is not the case. vehicles in other lanes often become involved. i see it time and time again. reviewing accident footage is more or less my day job.

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Rika_Furude
02/22/25 9:41:46 AM
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Tailgaters are always worse than brake checkers and its not even close
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Evening_Dragon
02/22/25 9:42:18 AM
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Dungeater posted...
if the only people involved in accidents were the ones responsible for those accidents, sure

this is not the case

a rear-end on a highway at a high rate of speed often ends so much worse

you're right, but i'm still going to be petulant about it


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Dungeater
02/22/25 9:42:26 AM
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boomgetchopped3 posted...
Brake checking is more about retaliation than anything. Trying to get back at people on the road is pretty dumb
this. set your egoes aside. you are piloting a weapon

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Mist_Turnips
02/22/25 9:49:38 AM
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Imagine how much better the roads would be if we didn't have jeeps and pickup trucks tailgating literally everyone.

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evilpresident
02/22/25 9:53:09 AM
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Had a tailgater earlier today. Like, love, I am driving the speed limit. There's speed cameras everywhere, what do you want from me?

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voldothegr8
02/22/25 10:02:57 AM
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Dungeater posted...
no, that is not the case. vehicles in other lanes often become involved. i see it time and time again. reviewing accident footage is more or less my day job.
It is the case, your statement doesn't change the fact at all that tailgaters are violating one of the fundamentals of driving and sudden stops can occur at any given second. Intent or cause of sudden stops is irrelevant, unless it's a legitimate scammer but that's not what we're talking about. Those scenarios are very rare, at least in America. What is extremely common is idiots following to close to the vehicle in front of them at very dangerous speeds, knowing a sudden stop can occur at any given second.

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Sunburst
02/22/25 10:06:42 AM
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evilpresident posted...
Had a tailgater earlier today. Like, love, I am driving the speed limit. There's speed cameras everywhere, what do you want from me?
Some people pull over as a courtesy. But as long as you are driving the speed limit you don't have to. I assume the tailgater didn't have passing as an option.

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evilpresident
02/22/25 10:09:44 AM
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Sunburst posted...
Some people pull over as a courtesy. But as long as you are driving the speed limit you don't have to. I assume the tailgater didn't have passing as an option.
Oh he did. Was nice and calm out so he could have easily sped up a bit and overtaken me without setting off any speed cameras.

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asdf8562
02/22/25 10:21:06 AM
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I'm staying out of the legal discussion.

As for both Tailgaters and Brake Checkers, both do not belong on the road.

Tailgating appears to go without saying, so I can ignore elaboration on them. But we occasionally get some who defend assholes who brake check, and justify their reckless and dangerous behavior with poor justifications.

There is no justification for brake checking. An asshole tailgating is not a good excuse to intentionally do reckless behavior too. Also potentially cause a major accident that btw might kill innocent bystanders, from bracket checking.
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Dungeater
02/22/25 10:22:06 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
It is the case,
no

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Verdekal
02/22/25 10:22:58 AM
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Tailgaters are assholes. Brake checkers are bigger assholes. Brake checking directly risks accidents. And pile ups risk more than your two dumbasses. (hypothetically)

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voldothegr8
02/22/25 10:24:12 AM
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For all the people saying both, you do realize that without one, tailgaters, there wouldn't be the other, crashes because of sudden stops. Again aside from a scammer scenario, but that's rare and typically happens on city streets anyway, because even most scammers aren't dumb enough to try that shit at highway speed.

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asdf8562
02/22/25 10:25:13 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
For all the people saying both, you do realize that without one, tailgaters, there wouldn't be the other, crashes because of sudden stops. Again aside from a scammer scenario, but that's rare and typically happens on city streets anyway, because even most scammers aren't dumb enough to try that shit at highway speed.
That's irrelevant.

Tailgating does not remotely justify a brake checker being reckless too.

Is this going to be another discussion where brake check defenders twist genuine sudden stops (as in not trying to retaliate against the person behind you) as "brake checking..." Because that's not brake checking.
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voldothegr8
02/22/25 10:26:18 AM
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asdf8562 posted...
That's irrelevant.

Tailgating does not remotely justify a brake checker being reckless too.
Irrelevant. One of the fundamentals of driving is that sudden stops can happen at any given second, intent or cause need not apply.

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Enclave
02/22/25 10:26:56 AM
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Verdekal posted...
Tailgaters are assholes. Brake checkers are bigger assholes. Brake checking directly risks accidents. And pile ups risk more than your two dumbasses. (hypothetically)

How are brake checkers bigger assholes? Brake checking should have basically zero risk if people behind the brake checker are giving proper space.

Like I said earlier, people shouldn't brake check but it's the tailgaters that are the main problem. I can only think people with opinions like this are themselves tailgaters and well I already made my opinion on them very clear earlier in this thread.

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asdf8562
02/22/25 10:31:21 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Irrelevant. One of the fundamentals of driving is that sudden stops can happen at any given second, intent or cause need not apply.
It's not irrelevant.
One of the fundamentals of driving is also not intentionally trying to raise the risk of an accident on the road, regardless of what other drivers are doing.

What you are attempting to twist here is a sudden genuine, non malicious/retaliatory stop, which is not brake checking.

This topic isn't talking about those. This topic is talking about driving recklessly and dangerously by intentionally brake checking the person behind them. That brake checker would be intentionally driving recklessly as a retaliatory act, putting lives at risk for their petty pride. "Oh the guy behind me was tailgating me" is not an excuse for the above actions, regardless of the tailgater driving reckless first.

What others are doing on the road is not an excuse or justification for you to also intentionally endanger lives as well.

Which again, should not be confused for genuine non retaliatory sudden stops. Which is NOT brake checking.
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voldothegr8
02/22/25 10:33:00 AM
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asdf8562 posted...
Is this going to be another discussion where brake check defenders twist genuine sudden stops (as in not trying to retaliate against the person behind you) as "brake checking..." Because that's not brake checking.
No, it's a discussion to maybe get people to realize that one of the fundamentals of driving is that sudden stops can occur at any given second, it doesn't matter why the person ahead is suddenly stopping. Scammer scenarios aside.

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Evening_Dragon
02/22/25 10:35:04 AM
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No, I'm only being halfway facetious. Comeuppance gets my soul hard, but it is true that there is risk to other people on the road.

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Verdekal
02/22/25 10:36:27 AM
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Enclave posted...
How are brake checkers bigger assholes? Brake checking should have basically zero risk if people behind the brake checker are giving proper space.

Like I said earlier, people shouldn't brake check but it's the tailgaters that are the main problem. I can only think people with opinions like this are themselves tailgaters and well I already made my opinion on them very clear earlier in this thread.
Tailgating is a lure. Break checkers take the bait. Don't feed road trolls.

Tailgaiting raises odds of an accident but break checking makes it almost certain. If a tailgater causes an accident, it's their fault for being too close. But break checking is a deliberate choice to make if difficult. It's a dangerous and unnecessary escalation. And it's not just about the two vehicles. A brakecheckers action to say "fuck you" to the tailgaters reaction time risks everyone around you.

Just let them pass or keep going the speed you were. That will either teach them to slow down or Darwin will do it for them. But it wouldn't be with your hand.

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Verdekal
02/22/25 10:38:16 AM
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Brake checking is more direct.

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asdf8562
02/22/25 10:38:32 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
No, it's a discussion to maybe get people to realize that one of the fundamentals of driving is that sudden stops can occur at any given second, it doesn't matter why the person ahead is suddenly stopping. Scammer scenarios aside.
No, more like it's a discussion for people like you to justify putting innocent bystander lives in danger because you need to convince yourself that your reckless actions you chose to do in deliberate retaliation is justified.

It absolutely does matter why you decided to slam the brakes. Other drivers on the road does not justify you driving with road rage too in a retaliatory fashion.

As you seem to be trying to falsely conflate genuine, non retaliatory sudden braking with dangerous road rage brakers.
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Enclave
02/22/25 10:41:44 AM
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Verdekal posted...
Tailgating is a lure. Break checkers take the bait. Don't feed road trolls.

Tailgaiting raises odds of an accident but break checking makes it almost certain. If a tailgater causes an accident, it's their fault for being too close. But break checking is a deliberate choice to make if difficult. It's a dangerous and unnecessary escalation. And it's not just about the two vehicles. A brakecheckers action to say "fuck you" to the tailgaters reaction time risks everyone around you.

Just let them pass or keep going the speed you were. That will either teach them to slow down or Darwin will do it for them. But it wouldn't be with your hand.

Again, if the tailgater was the proper distance behind then regardless of why somebody in front of them has to hit their brakes nothing would happen.

It was a tailgater who fucked up my neck, you'll never convince me those fuckers aren't primarily to blame for the accidents they cause. Let's say you rear end somebody and you just assume they're a brake checker. How do you know? Do you just assume they're brake checking because you were on their ass driving like a fucking lunatic? I mean probably but let's be real, there could be any number of reasons why they pressed their brakes. Maybe there was something on the road, maybe there wasn't but they thought there was, people after all make mistakes when they're in a high stress environment such as being tailgated by a lunatic who should have their license taken away and never be allowed behind the wheel again.

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