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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 11:16:53 AM #102: |
Enclave posted... Except when people are in a high stress environment, such as being tailgated by a lunatic, mistakes happen. Camera's don't capture that.It's your responsibility as a driver to maintain your own emotions and consider the safety of those around you. Break checking doesn't make anyone safer. --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 02/22/25 11:18:04 AM #103: |
GeraldDarko posted... It's your responsibility as a driver to maintain your own emotions and consider the safety of those around you. Break checking doesn't make anyone safer. Lol, it's rich hearing somebody say this about somebody who hits their brakes while being tailgated. Tell me, who's the problem? The person making a mistake in a high stress environment or the person causing the high stress environment to exist in the first place? --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Verdekal 02/22/25 11:18:22 AM #104: |
Enclave posted... What am I supposed to think about people going to bat for tailgaters?What do mean "how do we know?" Since this topic is about debating the two, we're assuming one party is the tailgater and the other is the brake checker. You said you WEREN'T brake checking when the tailgater rear ended you. So this isn't about us accusing you of brake checking. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 02/22/25 11:18:25 AM #105: |
Enclave posted... Nobody will see that as a justification for brake checking. They'll just split the fault accordingly. If we're talking about a situation where the person behind is going even further beyond and actively trying to hurt/damage the car in front with other roadrage tactics (like aggressively staying behind them even if they try to pull over to let the tailgater pass), then that'd be a different scenario. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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imagine606 02/22/25 11:18:37 AM #106: |
If people didnt tailgate in the first place nobody would brake check. Both are horrible, but tailgating is unforgivable. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 02/22/25 11:20:28 AM #107: |
voldothegr8 posted... I never once have advocated for people to brake check. I'm saying it would be next to non existent without tailgaters.Great. Problem is both do actually exist, and neither or has any justification for doing either or. Tailgating existing first is not an excuse for thinking another driver on the road being reckless first..... means you are justified to intentionally in response, endanger lives as well in a retaliatory road rage response. The response that "well he did it first...." doesn't justify the intentionally reckless and dangerous response. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 11:21:05 AM #108: |
Enclave posted... Lol, it's rich hearing somebody say this about somebody who hits their brakes while being tailgated. Tell me, who's the problem? The person making a mistake in a high stress environment or the person causing the high stress environment to exist in the first place?Both, dude. Seems pretty obvious, if you bother to think outside your own perspective. --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--Zero- 02/22/25 11:21:10 AM #109: |
Brake checking would not happen without tailgaters. No debating that. --- Sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 11:22:04 AM #110: |
--Zero- posted... Brake checking would not happen without tailgaters. No debating that.And? --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coolboy11 02/22/25 11:25:33 AM #112: |
I had a bad habit of unintentionally tailgating until I rear ended somebody in March of 2023, after that experience I make sure to watch my following distance lol really if you are far enough back and you have brakes in decent condition brake checking should be fairly easy to avoid like it was in my case if i had been back a little further. --- "A superhero in the flesh, even at my worst I'm the best"-Big KRIT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 02/22/25 11:25:38 AM #113: |
Nemu posted... Nobody will see that as a justification for brake checking. They'll just split the fault accordingly. If we're talking about a situation where the person behind is going even further beyond and actively trying to hurt/damage the car in front with other roadrage tactics (like aggressively staying behind them even if they try to pull over to let the tailgater pass), then that'd be a different scenario. I'm sorry but no, there's no situation where there's any excuse for the tailgater. Nobody going the speed limit should be forced to pull over to let some lunatic who shouldn't have a license pass them. Back the fuck off, you never know when somebody is going to have to hit the brakes. You're causing the whole situation when you tailgate making everybody on the road unsafe. You never know when the person in front of you is going to hit the brakes and it shouldn't matter if they do because you should be far enough back that you can safely stop. Also as I keep repeatedly saying in this thread because I'm sure some of you need to hear it? I expressly have said nobody should brake check. My whole point though is you never know if somebody is brake checking or pressing their brakes for a more legitimate reason and no your camera cannot determine that. Back off and slow down. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Evening_Dragon 02/22/25 11:28:39 AM #114: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] You can just read our previous exchange if you forgot, but if you just want to have emotions at me, maybe don't. --- https://www.joincampaignzero.org/ Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 11:32:21 AM #115: |
Evening_Dragon posted... You can just read our previous exchange if you forgot, but if you just want to have emotions at me, maybe don't.There is an ancient and esoteric addage I recently came across, I think it goes something like "two wrongs don't make a right". --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 02/22/25 11:33:10 AM #116: |
Enclave posted... I'm sorry but no, there's no situation where there's any excuse for the tailgater. Nobody going the speed limit should be forced to pull over to let some lunatic who shouldn't have a license pass them. Back the fuck off, you never know when somebody is going to have to hit the brakes. You're causing the whole situation when you tailgate making everybody on the road unsafe. You never know when the person in front of you is going to hit the brakes and it shouldn't matter if they do because you should be far enough back that you can safely stop.But you can know. That's a silly justification. If you have a proper camera feed, you can see the road conditions ahead and insurance adjusters can use that to determine fault. You're acting like Schrdinger's brake checker is a thing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 02/22/25 11:35:52 AM #117: |
Nemu posted... But you can know. That's a silly justification. If you have a proper camera feed, you can see the road conditions ahead and insurance adjusters can use that to determine fault. You're acting like Schrdinger's brake checker is a thing. No, you can't know. How do you know somebody is brake checking you vs being in a high stress situation causing them to make a mistake? I don't care what insurance adjusters end up deciding, they'll always try to go with whatever makes the company the most money. I'm talking about you, how do you know what caused them to hit the brakes? How do you know they maliciously brake checked vs made a mistake while stressing out because you're dangerous and reckless driving? --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 02/22/25 11:40:51 AM #118: |
Enclave posted... No, you can't know. How do you know somebody is brake checking you vs being in a high stress situation causing them to make a mistake?People don't just stomp on the brakes because they're a little stressed. That's not a thing that happens. You're making up a scenario to feed your weird need to act like there's justification for that shit. "Both are bad. Brake checkers are worse." "Both are bad. Tailgaters are worse." Either is a fine opinion to have, but this tailgaters are the only bad ones, think about the poor brake checkers, shit is just weird. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 02/22/25 11:43:04 AM #119: |
Break checkers and tailgaters are both reckless assholes that put people's lives in danger for no good reason. I'd also like to call out the people who see that there's just barely enough space between the car in front of you and yourself, and then just cuts in front of you without warning. People wonder why accidents keep happening, it's because of people who want to ride you and not their car. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 02/22/25 11:45:05 AM #120: |
Nemu posted... People don't just stomp on the brakes because they're a little stressed. That's not a thing that happens. You're making up a scenario to feed your weird need to act like there's justification for that shit. "Both are bad. Brake checkers are worse." "Both are bad. Tailgaters are worse." Either is a fine opinion to have, but this tailgaters are the only bad ones, think about the poor brake checkers, shit is just weird. People when stressed out absolutely can hit the brakes. They keep looking in their mirrors, stressing out, mirror, road, mirror, road, mirror, road, they panic, think for a moment they see something on the road even if there's nothing there and they hit the brakes. Or hell, maybe they had a mild stroke or chest pains brought on by the stress. You just don't fucking know so back the fuck off and drive like a normal person or just stick to transit. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 11:47:17 AM #121: |
Enclave posted... fuck off and drive like a normal person or just stick to transit. Pot, meet kettle. --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 02/22/25 11:48:42 AM #123: |
GeraldDarko posted...
Stop tailgating people, you're going to get people killed. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 11:51:58 AM #124: |
Enclave posted... Stop tailgating people, you're going to get people killed.I don't tailgate... Tailgaters get people killed Break checkers will get people killed Doesn't matter who stated it Two wrongs don't make a right Simple --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 02/22/25 11:53:23 AM #126: |
GeraldDarko posted... I don't tailgate...It really is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 02/22/25 11:54:18 AM #127: |
Enclave posted... People when stressed out absolutely can hit the brakes. They keep looking in their mirrors, stressing out, mirror, road, mirror, road, mirror, road, they panic, think for a moment they see something on the road even if there's nothing there and they hit the brakes. Or hell, maybe they had a mild stroke or chest pains brought on by the stress. You just don't fucking know so back the fuck off and drive like a normal person or just stick to transit.If this is personal experience, I'd suggest therapy. Either way, if that person exists, they're a horrible driver to experience all of that in the five to fifteen seconds that it would take to merge into the right lane on the highway or pull over to the shoulder when it's safe on a normal road. And even if someone does accidentally brake check, what does that matter? Should the 1% of freak accidents do anything to negate the fault of the 99% of retaliatory assholes? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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evilpresident 02/22/25 11:55:41 AM #128: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Indeed! Oddly interesting to read. --- Corruption that you can believe in. (She/her) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 02/22/25 11:55:41 AM #129: |
GeraldDarko posted... I don't tailgate... Sure you don't bud, that's why you don't like me pointing out that you don't know why somebody is hitting their brakes even after I repeatedly say people shouldn't brake check. I'm not saying anything that should be controversial except to people who feel attacked. Nemu, no, it's not my person experience but it's absolutely shit people deal with. My point is you don't know why the person is hitting the brakes so back the fuck off. You don't know if somebody is brake checking you or any number of other reasons. Don't cause a situation where it matters. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dungeater 02/22/25 11:58:59 AM #130: |
Enclave posted... Sure you don't bud, that's why you don't like me pointing out that you don't know why somebody is hitting their brakes even after I repeatedly say people shouldn't brake check.Dungeater posted... this is 5yo logic, cmon --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 12:02:53 PM #131: |
Enclave posted... I'm not saying anything that should be controversial except to people who feel attacked.Tell that to the judge. See how it goes. --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 02/22/25 12:05:37 PM #132: |
GeraldDarko posted... Tell that to the judge. See how it goes. If you think it's controversial to say to not tailgate people because you don't know when or why somebody might hit the brakes then you're a lost fucking cause. I'm out, my point is clear except to people who refuse to understand it. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dungeater 02/22/25 12:06:21 PM #133: |
precisely no one is advocating or defending tailgating --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 02/22/25 12:06:39 PM #134: |
Enclave posted... Sure you don't bud, that's why you don't like me pointing out that you don't know why somebody is hitting their brakes even after I repeatedly say people shouldn't brake check.You're acting like there's some large population of neurotic adults who're slamming on the brakes every time they get a little stressed on the road or see a piece of paper floating in the breeze and think it's a semi-truck. You're so far into your defense hole that you just toss out whatever random nonsense you find down there. From the perspective of fault, accidentally brake checking in otherwise safe conditions would still be seen as brake checking. From a moral perspective, you could call it an unfortunate accident. That doesn't really matter to the broader conversation because it's such a minor outlier that it's irrelevant. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 02/22/25 12:07:19 PM #135: |
Dungeater posted... precisely no one is advocating or defending tailgatingSome people won't acknowledge that tailgating is the root of the problem, however. --- THE Ohio State: 14-2 National CHAMPIONS | Las Vegas Raiders: 4-13 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 02/22/25 12:08:10 PM #136: |
Enclave posted... Sure you don't bud, that's why you don't like me pointing out that you don't know why somebody is hitting their brakes even after I repeatedly say people shouldn't brake check.That isn't what anyone here is doing, but you are more than welcome to point at a particular user who might be doing that. Admittedly I didn't read every user's post in this topic. Take for example your response to Nemu, which is going on about not knowing why someone slammed the brakes. We aren't talking about some ambiguous hypothetical scenario. The topic title is crystal clear what the scenario is. Brake checking. Brake checking is not ambiguous. It's an intentional act out of road rage that is a retaliatory action, that endangers lives, including innocent bystanders in the area. All because of one's ego to retaliate. No one is forcing another driver to act out of retaliatory road rage to endanger lives too. Such acts are not remotely justified. The responses of, "well the other driver was dangerous first...." is an absolutely terrible justification for intentional reckless driving from a brake checker. Which again, the topic is clear, it's about brake checkers. We do actually know the reason they slammed the brakes in this topic. Not this hypothetical genuine person who genuinely slammed the brakes for whatever reason that was genuinely not in retaliation of road rage. This hypothetical ambiguous scenario you are talking about is not a confirmed brake checker. Therefore should not be who anyone in this topic is referring to. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dungeater 02/22/25 12:08:23 PM #137: |
the topic at hand is about people intentionally brake checking --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 12:09:28 PM #139: |
voldothegr8 posted... Some people won't acknowledge that tailgating is the root of the problem, however.It is the root of the problem GeraldDarko posted... Two wrongs don't make a right --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 02/22/25 12:09:51 PM #140: |
Dungeater posted... the topic at hand is about people intentionally brake checkingCan't be brake checked if following at safe distance. And we just keep going in circles. --- THE Ohio State: 14-2 National CHAMPIONS | Las Vegas Raiders: 4-13 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dungeater 02/22/25 12:10:21 PM #141: |
Dungeater posted... the topic at hand is about people intentionally brake checking --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 02/22/25 12:11:46 PM #142: |
Intentional, non intentional, following at safe distance prevents 99% of it. --- THE Ohio State: 14-2 National CHAMPIONS | Las Vegas Raiders: 4-13 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeraldDarko 02/22/25 12:12:50 PM #143: |
Enclave posted... If you think it's controversial to say to not tailgate people because you don't know when or why somebody might hit the brakes then you're a lost fucking cause. I'm out, my point is clear except to people who refuse to understand it.You're still gonna catch a charge if you break check, no matter what you think. --- Carpe petat ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Euripides 02/22/25 12:28:03 PM #145: |
Nemu posted... If this is personal experience, I'd suggest therapy. Either way, if that person exists, they're a horrible driver to experience all of that in the five to fifteen seconds that it would take to merge into the right lane on the highway or pull over to the shoulder when it's safe on a normal road. And even if someone does accidentally brake check, what does that matter? Should the 1% of freak accidents do anything to negate the fault of the 99% of retaliatory assholes?Look who's back with their "just move out of the tailgater's way" schtick --- he/him/his ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 02/22/25 12:31:39 PM #146: |
Euripides posted... Look who's back with their "just move out of the tailgater's way" schtickYes, if you have the option to safely disengage from a dangerous situation or make it more dangerous, please always choose the option to disengage. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 02/22/25 12:43:58 PM #147: |
What's all this arguing about anyways? --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Quezovercoatl 02/22/25 12:54:53 PM #150: |
Whenever I see one of these topics on ce it puzzles me that someone who is angry at tailgaters because they might cause an accident would decide to retaliate by making that accident more likely. At that point you're both just making things more unsafe by fighting our own little idiot battle on the roads. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/22/25 12:56:13 PM #151: |
Why the fuck this topic have 150 posts --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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