Current Events > DBZ fans: There's too many ass pulls in DBS!

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Do you think this is a valid complaint?

Absolutely not. Rose-tinted glasses for DBZ allow people to overlook a lot of Z's asspulls, or the silliness of Dragonball itself.

News flash: These are supposed to be silly shows.

Just because DBZ has azzpullz, doezn't mean DBS can't be criticized for having azzpullz az well.

In all of my years of being a DB fan, I can't recall a time anyone has ever criticize DBZ for its ass pulls. The complaint really sounds exclusive to DBS.

Yes.

But to be fair, DragonBall is all about ass pulls.

Yes.

But to be fair, DragonBall is all about ass pulls.

I've been told that DBZ's ass pulls were more slowly built and foreshadowed therefore making them more meaningful and better

You mean like Goku just sorta having SSJ3 in Buu saga with no explanation other than "Oh yeah I trained for it while in the Otherworld"?

Or how self-destructing somehow managed not to explode the vital piece to keeping Cell alive since his super-regeneration is based on Namekian regeneration and SHOULD HAVE Followed the same logic?

Or maybe how Gohan managed to go Oozaru after randomly regaining his tail?

DB has always ran on the rule of cool without any foreshadowing or explanation. Just whatever seems coolest/more fun at the time. People are just silly about this for no real reason.

You mean like Goku just sorta having SSJ3 in Buu saga with no explanation other than "Oh yeah I trained for it while in the Otherworld"?

Gohan isnt an asspull. Its known tails grow back when young (gokus grew back after being removed as a child, not as an adult) and Vegeta put up the full moon for him.

It's not the fact that it grows back. It's the timing it grew back. It's an asspull.

It happening to grow back at an extremely critical time is beyond convenient.

Goku would do that too. Saiyan tails always grow back when it's most convenient for the plot.

I can ignore ssj3, as Goku would train those 7 years

Yes.

Then again by the time you've made it to Super you've long since stopped watching the show for its writing.

n all of my years of being a DB fan, I can't recall a time anyone has ever criticize DBZ for its ass pulls.

DB and DBZ had asspulls, and nobody is trying to say they're akin to Shakespeare, but the writing was really quite excellent in terms of interesting twists and turns that captivate the audience.

If youre gonna asspull as hard as Super, you might as well kick it up to 11 and do what Super Heroes did and just make it a fan fiction. Broly gonna fight SSJB Vegito and SSJ4 Xeno Gogeta? He better kick it up to Legendary SSJ3 first!

I went into Super fully expecting Goku and friends to be breaking their limits and gain new forms and do it all in an extreme fashion. I mean why wouldn't anyone? This is the sequel to DBZ we're talking about.

UI had a ton of buildup from basically the beginning of the series

How did this have build-up?

It's literally what Whis had been trying to teach them since Resurrection F. It had been mentioned multiple times by that point, been referred to as "what they need to do to surpass Lord Beerus," etc. The manga took it even further by having Beerus attempt it in the exhibition match, and having Roshi demonstrate its principles before his elimination. UI was probably the most built-up moment since OG Super Saiyan on Namek.

I wouldn't call DB or DBZs writing interesting twists. Most of the captivation came from the fighting, the transformation/power ups, the sheer destruction, and explosions.

• The way kid Krillin ran back to get something for kid Goku while they were celebrating at dinner and Goku watching Krillin run off, eerily sensing something was wrong, was done really well. Then Goku runs back and finds Krillin murdered, which opens up a whole new mystery of what happened and who the next boss is. The series shifted from a lighthearted kung-fu drama to a battle against murderous ancient demons in a very sudden way.
• Goku being an alien and meeting his brother was just a wild twist to start DBZ with. Imagine having watched only Dragonball up to that point like in the 80s - you HAD to find out more.
• Finding out that the previous boss, Vegeta, is enemies with the new villain and the way Vegeta went against both sides before being forced to team-up with Krillin and Gohan against the Ginyu Force and Freeza was fantastically written and kept the reader/viewer guessing how this would all end up. We saw Vegeta brutally murdering innocent Namekians during this period so while it was apparent he wasn't as dangerous as Freeza, it wasn't obvious that he would eventually be redeemed as a main good guy.
• The real enemy not being the androids that had been built-up in the plot all this time but a monster who eats Androids and steps out of the shadows among a pile of dead humans' clothes to show itself to Piccolo was a "Goddamn" moment.

I feel like the only actual asspull power up in DBS is Blue. God was fast, but had some good new lore behind it and was sort of a "springboard" transformation.

The Goku Black arc approaches that same sort of feeling but comes nowhere close to being as compelling a story arc.

I feel like the only actual asspull power up in DBS is Blue. God was fast, but had some good new lore behind it and was sort of a "springboard" transformation. UI had a ton of buildup from basically the beginning of the series. Ultra Ego was the culmination of a couple arca of Vegeta grappling with the idea of UI and figuring out something better for him. Broly is Broly.

Blue was the only one that basically came from nowhere, never got a good "big reveal," and had been totally useless from start to finish.

I guess Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan weren't great, either.

Also, friendly reminder that if we're talking about asspulls, Super Saiyan Hot Topic from DBGT was the result of literally pulling it out of Goku's ass with a pair of pliers. And everyone seems to forgive it because they apparently think it looks cool.