Current Events > With everything that's going on, who the fuck cares about this Epstein bullshit?

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All of our human rights are being stripped away but there might be a secret file ( -_-)

I mean the people on the file are the people stripping our rights away. Its ammunition to be used against them.

At this juncture, shaming MAGA is the most effective non-violent measure that could be taken.

McmadnessV3 posted...

I mean the people on the file are the people stripping our rights away. Its ammunition to be used against them.

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

BlueKat posted...

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

His followers believe that to be nothing more than a witch hunt. This however they have yet to be convinced over. Its actually driving a wedge between them. Will it last? Perhaps not but every bit helps.

RasterGraphic posted...

At this juncture, shaming MAGA is the most effective non-violent measure that could be taken.

The only benefit of this is MAGA eating itself but I'm not optimistic enough to think that'll matter much

Lmao the one thing thats finally shaking his base and you're doing this

Are you being paid?

Id say it would help victims get justice but honestly in this country it probably wont do that

Who the fuck cares about this Epstein bullshit?

I feel someone else was saying this very same thing so youre not alone in asking this. Who was it again? Oh yeah, its the guy striping away all our human rights.

But at least someone agrees with you right?

Its the type of thing that can turn blind followers of Trump against him.

its been muddled so long it wont ever happen now sadly

I think the government so blatantly lying should be talked about whether its the first or 500th time.

I mean, MAGAts seem to care, Trump included.

At least, for now.

Gotta strike while the iron is hot.

The victims will have justice and closure knowing that their abusers have been caught.

But If the files never get released then the pedophiles win and it will makes Trump look worse than he already is.

His followers have been obsessed with this for years. So this is actually a relevant cudgel against them.

There are True Believers who, to this day, believe Trump's purpose is to expose and punish the very people on this "list" who Trump is now protecting.

It doesn't matter if the list is complete bullshit, it's a HUGE crack in this administration's armor and we need to NEVER let the Right forget about it. It might be the thing that finally cracks Trump's base.

Incredible that some people are going with that narrative without being paid.
No wonder the US is in the shit right now.

I think its fair to say that if Trump doesnt want us to talk about something its something we should be talking about.

Cory898 posted...

I think its fair to say that if Trump doesnt want us to talk about something its something we should be talking about.

Facts

BlueKat posted...

The only benefit of this is MAGA eating itself but I'm not optimistic enough to think that'll matter much

It can matter a whole lot if it helps swing things during the midterms. This has potential to convince MAGA to not vote out of protest and encourage dems to angry-vote to fuck over the admin.

The main thing is that Trump literally ran on releasing the files. Now his admin is refusing to do so. While it may not be the most threatening thing his admin is doing, it's one that in theory everyone could unite against.

TC for real? We can only care for one thing at a time?

It certainly feels like the thing he feels threatened by. Hes acting so desperate for this to go away. So its a button we need to keep pressing.

BlueKat posted...

With everything that's going on, who the fuck cares about this Epstein bullshit?

Nice try Donnie, though I'm a bit surprised you post on GameFAQs.

Yes. I think so too.

It honestly all just comes off as performative nonsense.

Lets be real, nothing is going to fucking happen if the list is revealed or whatever.

As sad as that is.

It's like the only thing MAGA legitimately cares about.

Trump is spinning out of control in his attempts to not talk about it, like today he announces he "saved Coca Cola" by adding cane sugar back, which CC has not confirmed is actually happening, he flat-out told his followers that if they still care about the Epstein files to basically go fuck themselves, he does not even pretend to care about them anymore.

And the MAGA base is divided on all levels, from House members to podcasters to regular people on capitulating to whatever Trump wants and wanting the Epstein files released.

Trump is basically telling them it doesn't matter after he spent 8 years making it sound like he'd save all of society once he released these files.

I have genuinely never seen his own base push back this hard. Its unprecedented. Thats why we need to keep the pressure up

If there were no reason to care, then Trump wouldn't be so desperate to pretend the files don't exist or that they're fake.

Kanaya413 posted...

Id say it would help victims get justice but honestly in this country it probably wont do that

Well, if it helps? Maxwell is in prison.Victims testified at her trial, and the DOJ interviewed many others

Kradek posted...

It's like the only thing MAGA legitimately cares about.

Trump is spinning out of control in his attempts to not talk about it, like today he announces he "saved Coca Cola" by adding cane sugar back, which CC has not confirmed is actually happening, he flat-out told his followers that if they still care about the Epstein files to basically go fuck themselves, he does not even pretend to care about them anymore.

And the MAGA base is divided on all levels, from House members to podcasters to regular people on capitulating to whatever Trump wants and wanting the Epstein files released.

Trump is basically telling them it doesn't matter after he spent 8 years making it sound like he'd save all of society once he released these files.

here's the problem: How much credence do we give it? I'm worried this gets to Q-anon levels where it's "yes, there ARE secret pedo cabalss in government and WE will stop them!"

But it's hard because, well...you weaponize this, what happen when you're in power and have nothing to show for it and th mob comes back on you?

LightSnake posted...

here's the problem: How much credence do we give it? I'm worried this gets to Q-anon levels where it's "yes, there ARE secret pedo cabalss in government and WE will stop them!"

But it's hard because, well...you weaponize this, what happen when you're in power and have nothing to show for it and th mob comes back on you?

Trump has bounced around to so many different defenses, one of which included it was "fake information" created by Obamas, Hillary, and Biden, personally, then he followed that up like a day later with "if there's any credible information then it will be released by Bondi" (IE nothing involving Trump), to calling it a hoax similar to russia, russia, russia, steel dossier, laptop, etc.

There are those in the base who stopped the criticism after Trump/WH contacted them and told them to stop, however there's others who keep going. Yes, the prevailing mentality among that group still wanting it does so because they expect all Democrats to have ever existed, Bill Gates, and Tom Hanks to be indicted by it, however even Mike Flynn today was saying it's a non-partisan issue regardless if Democrats or Republicans are implicated, which is like the one decent thing he's said in about a decade.

Trump, his WH and his DOJ are running a very poorly organied coverup of literal child rape, we know the tapes Bondi mentioned have been deduced as doctored and I guess right-wingers still have some semblance of morals left when it comes to child rape, just not preventing their deaths from guns, feeding them, helping them have medicine, keeping them out of poverty, however literal child rape is a step too far.

Problem is, the real reason Trump isn't releasing them after making such a big deal about it is likely due to big monied oligarchs people have never heard of yet who are controllers of society and our political system. Trump would likely overcome being outed by it, there's many who people have never heard of that are likely controlling the secrecy on the issue.

Trump said don't care about the list

TC: YES SIR

Kradek posted...

Trump has bounced around to so many different defenses, one of which included it was "fake information" created by Obamas, Hillary, and Biden, personally, then he followed that up like a day later with "if there's any credible information then it will be released by Bondi" (IE nothing involving Trump), to calling it a hoax similar to russia, russia, russia, steel dossier, laptop, etc.

There are those in the base who stopped the criticism after Trump/WH contacted them and told them to stop, however there's others who keep going. Yes, the prevailing mentality among that group still wanting it does so because they expect all Democrats to have ever existed, Bill Gates, and Tom Hanks to be indicted by it, however even Mike Flynn today was saying it's a non-partisan issue regardless if Democrats or Republicans are implicated, which is like the one decent thing he's said in about a decade.

Trump, his WH and his DOJ are running a very poorly organied coverup of literal child rape, we know the tapes Bondi mentioned have been deduced as doctored and I guess right-wingers still have some semblance of morals left when it comes to child rape, just not preventing their deaths from guns, feeding them, helping them have medicine, keeping them out of poverty, however literal child rape is a step too far.

Problem is, the real reason Trump isn't releasing them after making such a big deal about it is likely due to big monied oligarchs people have never heard of yet who are controllers of society and our political system. Trump would likely overcome being outed by it, there's many who people have never heard of that are likely controlling the secrecy on the issue.

But that's the thing...it doesn't really exist like people think it does. There's no big numbered list of pedophiles in government and entertainment. The DOJ has interviewed dozens of Epstein's victims. All of the information is related to litigation, flight records, finances, etc. None of that will tell us who's guilty.

There's no secret pedophile cabal here. There's no secret, big money oligarchs you've never heard of engaging in secret rituals. It was one sick billionaire and some of his friends. Trump has walked into a trap of his own making and he's flailing hard.

What happens when Democrats are in office and don't ave anything to release after we stoke this fire? this is what I'm worried about...Q-anon's whole thing which we all laughed about just a few years ago was "The elites are pedophiles abusing kids in pizza parlors without basements." Right now, people have let Epstein take on a mythology when his victims are alive and vocal.

You can read a lot in the FBI file. It's right here: https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein

LightSnake posted...

What happens when Democrats are in office and don't ave anything to release after we stoke this fire?

Why are you worried about what MAGA thinks of democrats?

I will answer, they think they are aligned with Satan himself at this very moment plotting the downfall of your very soul

I'm not worried about what MAGA thinks of Democrats. I'm worried about if the base decides this is a thing and swing voters buy it too.

We're mainstreaming Q-anon and that worries me

LightSnake posted...

But that's the thing...it doesn't really exist like people think it does. There's no big numbered list of pedophiles in government and entertainment. The DOJ has interviewed dozens of Epstein's victims. All of the information is related to litigation, flight records, finances, etc. None of that will tell us who's guilty.

There's no secret pedophile cabal here. There's no secret, big money oligarchs you've never heard of engaging in secret rituals. It was one sick billionaire and some of his friends. Trump has walked into a trap of his own making and he's flailing hard.

What happens when Democrats are in office and don't ave anything to release after we stoke this fire? this is what I'm worried about...Q-anon's whole thing which we all laughed about just a few years ago was "The elites are pedophiles abusing kids in pizza parlors without basements." Right now, people have let Epstein take on a mythology when his victims are alive and vocal.

You can read a lot in the FBI file. It's right here: https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein

There was like 1000 victims and currently the Trump admin wants to believe that literally only Epstein and Maxwell were raping them. Epstein was a school teacher who became a billionaire from very wealthy people giving him money as he became a pimp for them. When you say "his friends", most people are going to have a number of like 5-8. Yes, the wealthy elite typically do have expanded social networks primarily for networking, however without any specific number on "friends" I have trouble believing it was just him and his inner group, although there's nothing saying the nameless oligarchs who funded his career change who don't want it leaked out didn't become his "friends".

Brain Karem, long-time White House correspondent, filed a FOIA with others in the past and he said that yes it is literally binders of thousands of pages, there's like 10k (I believe) hours of footage from the FBI monitoring him. The thing about flight logs and the surveillance footage, however, is that Epstein was smart in that he didn't ONLY hang out with other pedophiles, so the tricky part would be figuring out who was and wasn't actually a part of the trafficking.

Kradek posted...

There was like 1000 victims and currently the Trump admin wants to believe that literally only Epstein and Maxwell were raping them. Epstein was a school teacher who became a billionaire from very wealthy people giving him money as he became a pimp for them.

I feel you're skipping a lot of things here. Epstein didn't become a billionaire overnight (and possibly didn't at all). He joined Bear Stearns and was a protege of Alan Greenberg. He wasn't earning money as a pimp, most of it was just nepotism.

I could buy it was mostly Epstein and Maxwell with how much they've talked about Epstein's appetites.

When you say "his friends", most people are going to have a number of like 5-8. Yes, the wealthy elite typically do have expanded social networks primarily for networking, however without any specific number on "friends" I have trouble believing it was just him and his inner group, although there's nothing saying the nameless oligarchs who funded his career change who don't want it leaked out didn't become his "friends".

There's not much nameless about it. His career isn't a secret. again, there's a mythology to him I just don't understand. Nobody in Maxwll's trials were named more than just a few hedge fund guys. Even virginia Giufre just named guys like Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz

Brain Karem, long-time White House correspondent, filed a FOIA with others in the past and he said that yes it is literally binders of thousands of pages, there's like 10k (I believe) hours of footage from the FBI monitoring him. The thing about flight logs and the surveillance footage, however, is that Epstein was smart in that he didn't ONLY hang out with other pedophiles, so the tricky part would be figuring out who was and wasn't actually a part of the trafficking.

He wasn't that smart, tbh. He was sloppy and left out CSAM about. He got fired as at teacher for perving on students. And yeah, there's a ton of stuff from the FBI on him. I linked to a lot of it there. That's how they build a case.

But throughout all the interviews....almost none of the victims testified to anyone but Epstein and Maxwell abusing them. That's the convincing part for me.

LightSnake posted...

I'm not worried about what MAGA thinks of Democrats. I'm worried about if the base decides this is a thing and swing voters buy it too.

We're mainstreaming Q-anon and that worries me

I understand the logic, but we don't have to give any credence to the conspiracy theories... We just need to keep asking them "what's going on with Trump and those Epstein files? Why isn't he releasing them for you? What are you going to do if he doesn't release them for you?"

It's about getting Trumpers to turn on Trump. Not about getting liberals and leftists to "believe" in the Epstein files.

Phoro posted...

I understand the logic, but we don't have to give any credence to the conspiracy theories... We just need to keep asking them "what's going on with Trump and those Epstein files? Why isn't he releasing them for you? What are you going to do if he doesn't release them for you?"

It's about getting Trumpers to turn on Trump. Not about getting liberals and leftists to "believe" in the Epstein files.

See, I don't think that's a bad idea but I don't think it's what they're doing. It really feels like grabbing a tiger by the tail when Dems are "there's files and they won't release them" which is what AOC and Ossof (among others) have said

I'd prefer we're just calling them on crazy bullshit and mocking Trump for lying to his followers, but it really feels like we're trending to have "I will releaase the Epstein files" as a big issue in the 2028 primary. I dunno, maybe this is cope for me.

Maybe I need to believe Q-anoners who have supported Trump to date are hard Republicans partisans because the alternative is that they're swing voters whose key issue is exposing the pedophile cabal with excellent document retention.

LightSnake posted...

I'm not worried about what MAGA thinks of Democrats. I'm worried about if the base decides this is a thing and swing voters buy it too.

We're mainstreaming Q-anon and that worries me

Democrats can easily capitalize without mainstreaming the conspiracy theory. Several already are, by focusing on how Republicans broke their promise and on their incompetence.

Democrats should specifically investigate the Trumps admin egregious mishandling of this case. If Trump destroyed evidence, I think the public would blame Trump, not Democrats. Unless Democrats would remain silent.

The public is already aware of Epstein conspiracy theories, especially in light of recent developments, which are widely reported by the media. Democrats remaining silent and failing to capitalize on something so obvious would stick out. The public might think theyre remaining silent because theyre also complicit and hoping the story dies on its own.

LightSnake posted...

See, I don't think that's a bad idea but I don't think it's what they're doing. It really feels like grabbing a tiger by the tail when Dems are "there's files and they won't release them" which is what AOC and Ossof (among others) have said

I'd prefer we're just calling them on crazy bullshit and mocking Trump for lying to his followers, but it really feels like we're trending to have "I will releaase the Epstein files" as a big issue in the 2028 primary. I dunno, maybe this is cope for me.

Maybe I need to believe Q-anoners who have supported Trump to date are hard Republicans partisans because the alternative is that they're swing voters whose key issue is exposing the pedophile cabal with excellent document retention.

You're not wrong. I just think it's important that we don't simply allow Trump to run away with the narrative yet again. As ridiculous as it is, this whole situation might be the country's best shot at getting Trump's hardcore base to finally start turning on him. We can't let the opportunity pass.

They went hard on dumb bullshit like Benghazi. Like Her Emails. Like Hunter's Laptop. Nothing ever came of any of it, but it worked towards their ends. We need to do the same with Epstein's Files.

I don't disagree, but there's a lot of "release the files" as opposed to what you said.

Remaining silent would be a bad idea, I agree

LightSnake posted...

I don't disagree, but there's a lot of "release the files" as opposed to what you said.

Remaining silent would be a bad idea, I agree

The fact is that Trumps own administration claimed the files not only exist, but were on Bondis desk.

Telling them to release the thing they explicitly claimed they have is just calling their bluff

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

The fact is that Trumps own administration claimed the files not only exist, but were on Bondis desk.

Telling them to release the thing they explicitly claimed they have is just calling their bluff

Oh, yeah, don't get me wrong. This should be resignation-worthy for Bondi. Just I don't think people can parse any level of nuance for this. Look how people are responding to Stephen King

BlueKat posted...

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

They don't believe her or the "liberal court" that does.

They do believe Trump not releasing the Epstein files is cowardly.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

The fact is that Trumps own administration claimed the files not only exist, but were on Bondis desk.

Telling them to release the thing they explicitly claimed they have is just calling their bluff

Based on the admins actions, one could suspect that Trump himself is guilty (or just sensitive about his connection to Epstein) and so is intentionally mishandling the Epstein case (a self-inflicted error) without needing to accept the qanon conspiracy theory at all.

BlueKat posted...

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

so why do anything at all then? You believe nothing works anyway.

If people give up then what's even the point of living.

Why would you not care about something that has Trump so shaken?

Are you unable to care about both, especially when the parties involved are identical?

BlueKat posted...

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

The important thing here isnt what we think- it's what trump thinks. Whatever is in that file is so damning that even he is worried it could stop him. That his "mindless" base of supporters will turn on him. That should tell you everything you need to know.

it's so fucking stupid that this has become a litmus test