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McmadnessV3
08/06/25 4:38:52 PM
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Having now actually read the novels proper the movies feel like fanfiction.

Well made, acted, directed and produced fanfiction but still fanfiction.

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Hayame_Zero
08/06/25 4:41:34 PM
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An excuse to pull out this classic:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2b3005a8.jpg

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ReturnOfDevsman
08/06/25 4:43:37 PM
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Why didn't Don Henley and his friends fly the ring to Mt. Doom?

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EPR-radar
08/06/25 4:44:51 PM
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Yeah, there's that.

But in defense of the movies, following the books closely wouldn't work in a movie. E.g., people would get bored and leave the theaters before Frodo et al. even get out of the Shire.

So some liberties had to be taken. Others were much more optional (and annoying).

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HudGard
08/06/25 4:45:06 PM
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Well yeah, the movie is not 3 hours of establishing shots and landscape.

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EpicMickeyDrew
08/06/25 4:49:38 PM
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Care to explain further ?

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masterpug53
08/06/25 4:51:19 PM
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Why didn't the eagles just fuck off entirely and leave Frodo and Sam to burn to death on the slopes of Mt. Doom?

Nobody ever considers that side of the question for some reason.

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DrizztLink
08/06/25 4:53:21 PM
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Why didn't the eagles have a cave troll?

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evilpresident
08/06/25 4:55:08 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Why didn't the eagles have a cave troll?
Cause Jerry left it out in the sun again.

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ReturnOfDevsman
08/06/25 5:03:57 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Some place with more doors. I can't remember the name of it.

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Powdered_Toast
08/06/25 5:04:19 PM
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I reread the books recently. The movies really beefed some parts, but at the same time they're probably the best we ever could have gotten from big budget Hollywood adaptations.

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Spurner
08/06/25 5:05:28 PM
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Ol Tom Bombadil got done dirty.
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Pikachuchupika
08/06/25 5:07:27 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Morder
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fan357
08/06/25 5:07:45 PM
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The books are boring so

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refmon
08/06/25 5:12:01 PM
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I literally cannot believe the movies cut out Frodo returning to a destroyed Shire


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Evolician
08/06/25 5:17:58 PM
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Why didnt the eagles just kill Sauron

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Southernfatman
08/06/25 5:21:46 PM
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Some changes I can accept because they're movies, but some decisions they made bother me mostly character based ones.

I'm torn on the scouring not being in the movies. It's a significant part of the books and the hobbits returning home like nothing happened is pretty different, but then the movie would be like 5 hours long.

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McmadnessV3
08/06/25 5:40:16 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
Yeah, there's that.

But in defense of the movies, following the books closely wouldn't work in a movie. E.g., people would get bored and leave the theaters before Frodo et al. even get out of the Shire.

So some liberties had to be taken. Others were much more optional (and annoying).
I guess I should add that I am mostly referring to the unnecesarry changes that have nothing to do with how long the films are.

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PraetorXyn
08/06/25 5:54:03 PM
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The Scouring of the Shire was a major loss, but overall the books are very boring in comparison.

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suchiuomizu
08/06/25 6:07:58 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
The Scouring of the Shire was a major loss, but overall the books are very boring in comparison.

One of Christopher Tolkiens big complaints about the movies, that the story was reduced to an action movie, missing much of what his father put into it.

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Robot2600
08/06/25 6:15:09 PM
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books coulda used a little more action if ya know what im sayin

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vycebrand2
08/06/25 6:30:21 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Isengard. They taking the hobbits to Isengard

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Zikten
08/06/25 6:32:39 PM
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vycebrand2 posted...
Isengard. They taking the hobbits to Isengard
The hobbits the hobbits
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mercurydude
08/06/25 6:33:00 PM
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They left out Gandalf being a brute

If you dont let me in, Frodo, I shall blow your door right down your hole and out through the hill, he said.

and Frodo causing a controversy:

Just why Mr. Frodo was selling his beautiful hole was even more debatable than the price.

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Thanatos_the_Great
08/06/25 6:33:20 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
I'm torn on the scouring not being in the movies. It's a significant part of the books and the hobbits returning home like nothing happened is pretty different, but then the movie would be like 5 hours long.

Leaving out the Scouring actually makes that problem worse. If RotK feels too long it's because it has a very, very long ending after the quest succeeds, with no drama to break it up. Including the Scouring could have fixed that despite actually making the film longer.

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Zikten
08/06/25 6:36:35 PM
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They could have just divided Lord of the Rings into 9 movies and then each movie wouldn't have to be super long, but they would also get to include everything

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thronedfire2
08/06/25 6:37:57 PM
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Just why Mr. Frodo was selling his beautiful hole was even more debatable than the price.

to be fair, if they had included this line it just would have been memed forever

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Charged151
08/06/25 6:38:15 PM
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
Leaving out the Scouring actually makes that problem worse. If RotK feels too long it's because it has a very, very long ending after the quest succeeds, with no drama to break it up. Including the Scouring could have fixed that despite actually making the film longer.
The theatrical version of the film couldn't even include a few minutes to give Saruman a proper ending (which Christopher Lee was livid about for years). No way was the Scouring getting included.

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DarkAssassin89
08/06/25 6:38:30 PM
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Spurner posted...
Ol Tom Bombadil got done dirty.

No he didnt. His are the worst chapters in the books and he wouldnt fit into the movies even if this wasnt the case. Terrible stuff. I have to skip his chapters every time I read the books.


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BucketCat
08/06/25 6:39:26 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

to the brick and mortar store cus amazon doesn't deliver to the shire :(

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Thanatos_the_Great
08/06/25 6:40:12 PM
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DarkAssassin89 posted...
His are the worst chapters in the books and he wouldnt fit into the movies even if this wasnt the case. Terrible stuff.

The nicest thing I can say about this is that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

DarkAssassin89 posted...
I have to skip his chapters every time I read the books.

You don't actually have to, you know.

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DrizztLink
08/06/25 6:41:13 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
to be fair, if they had included this line it just would have been memed forever

Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.

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thronedfire2
08/06/25 6:41:23 PM
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Tom got done dirty in the movies because having a god around and not helping with the whole Sauron thing would have just been silly to everyone watching it

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Charged151
08/06/25 6:55:57 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Tom got done dirty in the movies because having a god around and not helping with the whole Sauron thing would have just been silly to everyone watching it
The books established Tom is only godlike in his own domain. Outside of it, he is significantly less powerful. Granted, trying to explain this in the movies may have not been as effective, so no wonder he got mostly cut.

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Awakened_Link
08/06/25 7:03:00 PM
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I'm a huge Tolkien fan, but admittedly, I saw the movies before reading the books and supplemental material as well. But the appendices in the extended edition DVDs really provide a lot of insight into the decisions that Jackson and the producers made. And they make sense, tbh.

For example, Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire just don't work from a cinematic perspective. It was definitely the right call to omit those scenes; it would've been a huge pacing issue.

However, there are definitely some things I disagree with, like the changes to Faramir's character.

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Charged151
08/06/25 7:05:45 PM
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Awakened_Link posted...
However, there are definitely some things I disagree with, like the changes to Faramir's character.
Yeah...having him violently arrest and torture Gollum over entering a forbidden pond wasn't a good choice. Plus the fact it undid all the growth Gollum had made.

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DrizztLink
08/06/25 7:05:58 PM
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Awakened_Link posted...
like the changes to Faramir's character.
his faracter

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boomgetchopped3
08/06/25 7:09:22 PM
#41:


Hayame_Zero posted...
An excuse to pull out this classic:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2b3005a8.jpg


Even if he never sled down the stairs in the books I still imagined Legolas to be that nimble when reading. He can walk on top of fresh snow and gets crazy head counts during battles.

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Evolician
08/06/25 7:09:54 PM
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Whats taters, precious?

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darkknight109
08/06/25 7:15:54 PM
#43:


Southernfatman posted...
Some changes I can accept because they're movies, but some decisions they made bother me mostly character based ones.

I'm torn on the scouring not being in the movies. It's a significant part of the books and the hobbits returning home like nothing happened is pretty different, but then the movie would be like 5 hours long.
I honestly didn't like the Scouring. It felt so weird with Frodo and the Fellowship having just completed this epic quest, killed the dark lord, vanquished evil... oh, but now they have to go put down a wizard-led coup in their farm village.

I actually think the way the movies handled it was *more* poignant. The hobbits coming back home as war veterans to a town that is unchanged and largely oblivious to the horrors they went through is a powerful story moment that fits in perfectly with the ending. There's one particularly masterful scene in that sequence that I absolutely love, which is when they all gather at the pub, share a silent toast, and quietly drink. It's a moment where none of them are talking, and all of them know why no one is talking. It's a moment of shared understanding - that they get each other, and they know that they're the *only ones* who get each other. It's an acknowledgement that they're home, back where they started, but everything's different now - not because home changed, but because they did, and now it doesn't quite feel the same anymore and it never will.

It's a bit of nice foreshadowing for Frodo's ultimate fate, while also showing that none of the hobbits were truly "unscarred" by their experiences.

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Murphiroth
08/06/25 7:17:58 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
08/06/25 7:20:04 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
Yeah, there's that.

But in defense of the movies, following the books closely wouldn't work in a movie. E.g., people would get bored and leave the theaters before Frodo et al. even get out of the Shire.

So some liberties had to be taken. Others were much more optional (and annoying).
Eh, even granting this, a lot of the changes were just stupid and baffling. Like man, what did Denethor and Isildur do to Peter Jackson?

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WrestlinFan
08/06/25 7:24:16 PM
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You should check out that anime movie that came out last year, that shit was a fanfiction fever dream, very high entertainment factor.

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mercurydude
08/06/25 7:24:17 PM
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More shocking behavior that was left out: vandalism committed by Gandalf and Bilbo

If there are any to see, then I at least am revealed to them, he said. I have written Gandalf is here in signs that all can read from Rivendell to the mouths of Anduin.

He took from the box a small sword in an old shabby leathern scabbard. Then he drew it, and its polished and well-tended blade glittered suddenly, cold and bright. This is Sting, he said, and thrust it with little effort deep into a wooden beam. Take it, if you like. I shant want it again, I expect.

Elrond was letting Bilbo stay there free of charge, too, and that's the thanks he gets for it. >:(

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DrizztLink
08/06/25 7:37:28 PM
#48:


mercurydude posted...
Elrond was letting Bilbo stay there free of charge, too, and that's the thanks he gets for it. >:(
The whole-ass trilogy started because Bilbo pulled a Sackville-Baggins and helped himself to someone's valuables after busting into their home.

Guy's a fucking terrible houseguest.

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McmadnessV3
08/06/25 8:05:13 PM
#49:


Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Eh, even granting this, a lot of the changes were just stupid and baffling. Like man, what did Denethor and Isildur do to Peter Jackson?
Not be elves. Which he buttered up with constant absurd feets.

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EPR-radar
08/06/25 8:08:40 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Eh, even granting this, a lot of the changes were just stupid and baffling. Like man, what did Denethor and Isildur do to Peter Jackson?
Denethor and Isildur were both massive fuckups in the books.

Especially Isildur -- he's the idiot that took the Ring for his own.

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