Current Events > So what's with the increase in worldwide right wing activity?

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Southernfatman posted...

Wait, Humble is BBT?

Nah. I don't even know what a BBT is.

reincarnator07 posted...

Welp, yet another topic started to point out how awful the right is has turned just to shit on the left. It is indeed a day ending in Y.

You know how you get rid of the awful right? By having a left (or middle, but the US only wants to have two options) that people actually want to vote for.

Or revolution, but thats neither realistic at this time nor something suitable for discussing on this site.

Trumble posted...

You know how you get rid of the awful right? By having a left (or middle, but the US only wants to have two options) that people actually want to vote for.

Or revolution, but thats neither realistic at this time nor something suitable for discussing on this site.

I don't know. Even if manipulated into it via lies, the current electorate "voted for" fascism.

mistymermaid posted...

I don't know. Even if manipulated into it via lies, the current electorate "voted for" fascism.

Theres a significant portion who didnt vote at all. Theres definitely hope, but you arent going to win it by telling them theyre bad people or that they should just shut up and vote for the person you like. You win them over by having an option theyll actually want to vote for.

When one party is utter trash and the other is basically trying to be a lite version of the first one (or at least presenting themselves as such), and third options are basically irrelevant, its not remotely hard to see why some people dont see the point in engaging at all.

reincarnator07 posted...

Welp, yet another topic started to point out how awful the right is has turned just to shit on the left. It is indeed a day ending in Y.

right wing CHALLENGE

difficulty level EASY

DIVIDE THE LEFT AMONG THEMSELVES

Trumble posted...

You know how you get rid of the awful right? By having a left (or middle, but the US only wants to have two options) that people actually want to vote for.

Or revolution, but thats neither realistic at this time nor something suitable for discussing on this site.

Great idea, I wonder why that's never been attempted?

I'm not gonna pretend that Biden/Harris didn't have a lot of issues in 2024, but they also absolutely ran a better campaign while having more popular policies when you go issue for issue. In contrast, Trump flailed the whole time without any policies to bring to the table while signalling his fascist intentions. It didn't matter, Trump won pretty decisively and basically everyone bent over backwards to try and kiss up to him. How do you recommend overcoming that?

El_Dustino posted...

Zell didn't say that though? They said these people are not listened to, not that they view themselves as unimportant or that their opinions do not matter.

Except people who keep saying that, can say that all they want, it's not accurate.

We are not in the stone age where your random opinion holds 0 weight. Its the age of social media where your small opinion on a message board can hold a collective weight and echo. An echo that can most definitely sway just enough people. One little post can reach hundreds, thousands, millions.... and it just takes a few to echo your hot takes that it starts to hold some validity to those who take appeal in numbers as a valid opinion/thought. Especially if they start echoing it too, on top of the people they influence to echo a hot take. Its essentially one of the major problems of social today, that the right wing understands fat more than the left.

So this idea that those who were preaching for others to:
- 'Stay home/go 3rd party';
- 'Take every opportunity to bash Democrats more than Republicans';
- 'We should hold Democrats to a higher standard'
- 'Your actions as a voter dont matter, and you should have no accountability for those actions'

...... is just not true.

Even if the influence is small, its enough to influence an election. And in the case of sabotaging Democrats and the left, it has grown enough that collectively its convincing just enough voters that they can just say and do whatever want (including bash Democrats over Republicans) with 0 consequences.

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Any? As in to say all topics turn into what you just said. Thats not even close to being true.

If anything I see more of (but not all) of, *Republican politicians do something awful*, and income the usuals to spin how this is the Democrat politicians fault, or taking special highlight on the few Dem politicians saying/doing something dumb.... to argue, "see, this is why we should blame and focus on the entire Dem party." In fact, when the usuals are challenged on why they focus less on the Republican Party, its every excuse under the sun why we should talk about Democrat politicians, more than Republicans.

Essentially the, here's reason #48583935 why we should focus on blaming Democrats over the party (Republicans) that's primarily doing bad things.

Coincidentally this same group also tends to align with spreading the great word why one should either not vote, go 3rd party, or my favorite...."Im voting Democrat, but I will spend months and months before the election trying to convince you Democrats are worse or the same as Republicans."

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It has everything to do with the topic. Right wing activity or power is rising. There is a lot of reasons why. What I typed is one of many reasons.

Its not just one reason.

You in particular claimed, "when any topic about the right wing and their failings gets turned into a s***fest yelling about leftists." Which is untrue, all topics about right ring activity doesnt turn to "yelling at leftist."

I seem to be missing some posts here, who's saying what?

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Because leftist infighting is the left biggest hobby, it comes with the territory.

Probably a consequence of the purity test culture that set absurdly high bars to overcome and it will be something that I don't think it will go away anytime soon.

Obama was calling this out since 2019.

012yArthur0 posted...

Because leftist infighting is the left biggest hobby, it comes with the territory.

Probably a consequence of the purity test culture that set absurdly high bars to overcome and it will be something that I don't think it will go away anytime soon.

Obama was calling this out since 2019.

I agree.

Look at the Right: lots of them clearly didn't like Trump, mainly because they thought he was going to upset the apple cart, but once it became clear how strong his influence was on his base, they went all-in.

Meanwhile, anytime someone on the Left is less than perfect, everyone pulls knives. It's a serious failing of the movement.

DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted...

I agree.

Look at the Right: lots of them clearly didn't like Trump, mainly because they thought he was going to upset the apple cart, but once it became clear how strong his influence was on his base, they went all-in.

Meanwhile, anytime someone on the Left is less than perfect, everyone pulls knives. It's a serious failing of the movement.

I couldn't agree more. Leftist infighting is weighing the movement down and people here are in absolute denial over it. They keep on insisting that liberals are punching left when they themselves are the ones doing the attacking. The persecution complex is just maddening. At least the far right aren't foolish enough to hold their own votes hostage.

Posts 168-171 are the thread

This topic about the rise of right wing activity got turned into why the left is bad, once again, but pure liberals never attack leftists..

asdf8562 posted...

Except people who keep saying that, can say that all they want, it's not accurate.

We are not in the stone age where your random opinion holds 0 weight. Its the age of social media where your small opinion on a message board can hold a collective weight and echo. An echo that can most definitely sway just enough people. One little post can reach hundreds, thousands, millions.... and it just takes a few to echo your hot takes that it starts to hold some validity to those who take appeal in numbers as a valid opinion/thought. Especially if they start echoing it too, on top of the people they influence to echo a hot take. Its essentially one of the major problems of social today, that the right wing understands fat more than the left.

So this idea that those who were preaching for others to:
- 'Stay home/go 3rd party';
- 'Take every opportunity to bash Democrats more than Republicans';
- 'We should hold Democrats to a higher standard'
- 'Your actions as a voter dont matter, and you should have no accountability for those actions'

...... is just not true.

Even if the influence is small, its enough to influence an election. And in the case of sabotaging Democrats and the left, it has grown enough that collectively its convincing just enough voters that they can just say and do whatever want (including bash Democrats over Republicans) with 0 consequences.

Not enough people talk about the CE posting to MAGA victory pipeline
Even the smallest post on here has the reverberatory power possible to drive millions of would-be Democrat voters straight to the MAGA voting booths.

Something these so-called leftist allies can never comprehend is that hundreds of millions of dollars spent on Democrat outreach campaigns can be easily outdone by posts on here, or even by the thousands of 4 note tweets on Twitter. A complete and utter lack of accountability for their own posting, and a complete refusal to acknowledge the clear as day reality that posting is the most powerful tool in the political toolkit.

El_Dustino posted...

This topic about the rise of right wing activity got turned into why the left is bad, once again, but pure liberals never attack leftists..

Turns out when the left spends over a year attacking its own instead of uniting then the right wins and rises. Whodathunkit?

A_Good_Boy posted...

Turns out when the left spends over a year attacking its own instead of uniting then the right wins and rises. Whodathunkit?

Honestly, they need to start craving for power instead of just critiquing it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/988fc4f4.jpg

El_Dustino posted...

This topic about the rise of right wing activity got turned into why the left is bad, once again, but pure liberals never attack leftists..

tbf, this was kicked off and sustained by one of the board's most painfully obvious right-wing agitators.

It takes 5 seconds to lie and 20 minutes to disprove the lie

Lying is useful for rich people

Im pretty sure its as simple as that

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Even entertaining your claim it happened in this topic, what you said is still literally a false claim..

You claimed, "when any topic about the right wing and their failings gets turned into a s***fest yelling about leftists." Which is untrue, all topics about right ring activity doesnt turn to "yelling at leftist." Id argue the tend to, (but not always) turn into the same usuals doing the damndest to play defense for Republicans (intentional or not.) Cenk Uygurs flavor of "leftist."

Especially when the same usuals a good number of times always go into the topic to turn the topic into "how can we blame the Democrat Party for something a majority of Republicans did."

The same usuals who do everything in their power to spread the word, "Im totally voting Democrat" but spends a majority of their time bashing Democrats equally or more than Republicans. With dubious logic like, "we have to hold Democrats to a higher standard, people already know Republicans are bad."

This sentiment that "both sides are bad so theres no point to vote" is ever growing, and the usuals certainly contrib

More than 85 million eligible Americans didnt vote for either candidate in the 2024 election, and its indisputable for reasons impossible to explain coherently that the primary culprit for that is leftist infighting on social media, this board included.

Jolly_Bear posted...

More than 85 million eligible Americans didnt vote for either candidate in the 2024 election, and its indisputable for reasons impossible to explain coherently that the primary culprit for that is leftist infighting on social media, this board included.

Yep, we're completely to blame for the people who didn't vote for Harris largely on economic grounds.......oh wait

El_Dustino posted...

This topic about the rise of right wing activity got turned into why the left is bad, once again, but pure liberals never attack leftists..

Maybe next time don't spend an entire year obviously helping Trump win and then endlessly crying when people call you out on it.

Guarantee you the same thing will happen in every presidential election until the end of time, because the bots and their followers know it works.

reincarnator07 posted...

Great idea, I wonder why that's never been attempted?

You know how theres that whole attitude among some people of you tried, you did your best?

This is one of those situations where trying isnt enough and there are no participation awards.

Trumble posted...

You know how theres that whole attitude among some people of you tried, you did your best?

This is one of those situations where trying isnt enough and there are no participation awards.

Do you think they wanted to lose?

I personally think that humanity in general is skewing more right-wing lately because, on at least a subconscious level, it's trying to render itself extinct and that the right is much more likely to make that happen (deliberately or otherwise) than the left.

Jolly_Bear posted...

More than 85 million eligible Americans didnt vote for either candidate in the 2024 election, and its indisputable for reasons impossible to explain coherently that the primary culprit for that is leftist infighting on social media, this board included.

I feel like I've seen this sort of thing so many times and I finally went and looked it up. and it turns out 2024 was overall above average voter turnout, especially when you consider more recent elections (most of the higher %s are pre 1970s)

which means ultimately I think the answer to why people didn't vote is an extremely boring "that's just how many people care to vote" non-answer. trying to attribute it to any sort of uniquely modern phenomenon just seems to me like it would be wrong from the get-go

A lot of it is an undeserved backlash to diversity as people blame their problems on minorities, too. Nationalism, hatred, fear of the other.

sfcalimari posted...

Maybe next time don't spend an entire year obviously helping Trump win and then endlessly crying when people call you out on it.

Guarantee you the same thing will happen in every presidential election until the end of time, because the bots and their followers know it works.

There were bots, followers, and leftists in 2020. The rot we have now was already well under way. Why didn't that lead to Trump winning the popular vote and every swing state back then? It's almost like material conditions, platforms, events, and candidates determine who wins elections, not leftists on Twitter. If leftists had the sway you've ascribed to them with zero evidence (despite being directly asked for that evidence several times), this would be a very different country.

If you can only win if politics doesn't occur, if you are never criticized, and if an entire wing of the political spectrum is magically silenced or transformed into compliant cheerleaders, you don't actually have a winning platform, candidate, or coalition. These people aren't going away. You can either try to appeal to them or try to get millions of votes elsewhere. And again, they weren't your problem in the first place, that was inflation, immigration, right wing media, and disconnection from working class people.

If you're blackpilled, then check out, don't lash out at leftist windmills and try to take the rest of us down that dead end path with you.

There are a few countries(RUSSIA, China) That spends a lot of money and time funding internet trolls to help push and spread fake stories and amplify misinformation about actual stories to help push the political points that they and their allied political parties align with

The right wing just tapped into the internet culture faster then the left and has some much larger influencers in spaces to help push their points to their impressionable audiences

sfcalimari posted...

Maybe next time don't spend an entire year obviously helping Trump win and then endlessly crying when people call you out on it.

Guarantee you the same thing will happen in every presidential election until the end of time, because the bots and their followers know it works.

Who is you? I wasn't even posting here much at all until after the election.

And if not me specifically, then you're doing the same thing that AGB is doing and painting the entire left as as protest voters / abandon harris.

Everyone agrees these people were unhelpful, but these insane beliefs that (1) this was the entire left (2) these people were somehow the main catalyst that caused Kamala to lose every swing state and the popular vote (with no evidence, just "trust my feelings") when we already know what depressed voter turnout (economy, immigration) is just getting sad.

I'm starting to think we're just doomed to go right-wing due to various factors.

It'd be one thing if it was just old people having a last dying grasp, but nope gen Z men are just as conservative as any older demographic.

Basically society is a negative feedback loop, the worse conditions get for people the more bitter they grow and the more they lean right out of spite. Inflation is up, partnership is down, so right-wing sentiment is being produced en masse.

SecretBase posted...

I'm starting to think we're just doomed to go right-wing due to various factors.

It'd be one thing if it was just old people having a last dying grasp, but nope gen Z men are just as conservative as any older demographic.

Basically society is a negative feedback loop, the worse conditions get for people the more bitter they grow and the more they lean right out of spite. Inflation is up, partnership is down, so right-wing sentiment is being produced en masse.

This doesn't really get talked about enough, more and more young people (mostly men but not always) are getting disenfranchised which basically leaves them highly susceptible to right wing grifters who will love bomb them and tell them all their problems are because of minorities or women.

gen x parents raising current youth thats coming of voting age makes sense. I feel it shifts when millennial families have their kids come of voting age.

One thing I never understood, is that knowing the problem is almost always rich people should be incredibly easy. American's have been indoctrinated into worshipping them, but what's the rest of the worlds excuse?

nocturnal_traveler posted...

One thing I never understood, is that knowing the problem is almost always rich people should be incredibly easy. American's have been indoctrinated into worshipping them, but what's the rest of the worlds excuse?

that happens in other countries to

the UK worships the royal family for example

nocturnal_traveler posted...

One thing I never understood, is that knowing the problem is almost always rich people should be incredibly easy. American's have been indoctrinated into worshipping them, but what's the rest of the worlds excuse?

American media is shown pretty much everywhere, so we also get a lot of that same indoctrination. As a Canadian, I don't remember the last time I watched a Canadian show (as in a show made by a Canadian company, not just an American show that was filmed in Canada).

nocturnal_traveler posted...

One thing I never understood, is that knowing the problem is almost always rich people should be incredibly easy. American's have been indoctrinated into worshipping them, but what's the rest of the worlds excuse?

Repeated and Non stop stories in the media to deflect, Other pointless bouts of internet conflict(The entire Antiwoke Crusade being an example) all to serve as distractions and deflections away from the wealthy fucking us over that while lots of people might realize that it happens, They tend to act like their chosen battle isn't a part of it when it is

nocturnal_traveler posted...

One thing I never understood, is that knowing the problem is almost always rich people should be incredibly easy. American's have been indoctrinated into worshipping them, but what's the rest of the worlds excuse?

Colossal American companies like Google/Youtube are deeply involved with the spread of far right propaganda.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

One thing I never understood, is that knowing the problem is almost always rich people should be incredibly easy. American's have been indoctrinated into worshipping them, but what's the rest of the worlds excuse?

Rich people were actually Harris's best economic demographic and she raised around 3 times more money than Trump and had more billionaires backing her. Trump's best demographic was the working class (that's actually the only economic class he got over 50% of the vote from). Class solidarity along economic lines has increasingly become irrelevant in developed countries and things have shifted into cultural wars over social issues. Scientists have been looking into the reasons for these shifts. This article discusses some of them:
https://www.optimallyirrational.com/p/why-has-the-right-become-more-popular

The leftright divide in Western countries has traditionally centred on distributional conflicts, with support for redistribution highest on the left and lowest on the right. It is therefore understandable to view recent changes with surprise and ask: how can this be explained? This reaction rests on the implicit assumption that conflict between rich and poor over economic resources is the natural basis of the main political opposition in a country. We should, however, question this assumption.

ssjevot posted...

Rich people were actually Harris's best economic demographic and she raised around 3 times more money than Trump and had more billionaires backing her. Trump's best demographic was the working class (that's actually the only economic class he got over 50% of the vote from). Class solidarity along economic lines has increasingly become irrelevant in developed countries and things have shifted into cultural wars over social issues. Scientists have been looking into the reasons for these shifts. This article discusses some of them:
https://www.optimallyirrational.com/p/why-has-the-right-become-more-popular

The leftright divide in Western countries has traditionally centred on distributional conflicts, with support for redistribution highest on the left and lowest on the right. It is therefore understandable to view recent changes with surprise and ask: how can this be explained? This reaction rests on the implicit assumption that conflict between rich and poor over economic resources is the natural basis of the main political opposition in a country. We should, however, question this assumption.

When actual working-class centered policies are considered unthinkable and are not seriously on the table and the contest is increasingly on social issues where the working class is not aligned, and where progressive social views are mainly spread through the college experience, of course working class people who often have more conservative social views will at least vote to get that or to try to be the economic boot rather than the economic heel when getting rid of the boot seems impossible.

It'd be a mistake to read all of this as class and the distribution of wealth not mattering. It matters a great deal.

legendary_zell posted...

When actual working-class centered policies are considered unthinkable and are not seriously on the table and the contest is increasingly on social issues where the working class is not aligned, and where progressive social views are mainly spread through the college experience, of course working class people who often have more conservative social views will at least vote to get that or to try to be the economic boot rather than the economic heel when getting rid of the boot seems impossible.

It'd be a mistake to read all of this as class and the distribution of wealth not mattering. It matters a great deal.

Maybe you should actually read the article then.

In their influential book Paper Stones: A History of Electoral Socialism, political scientists Adam Przeworski and John Sprague (1986) examine the challenges faced by socialist parties in gaining power. They argue that the framing political conflict as primarily a struggle between rich and poor is only one among many possibilities: At any particular moment multiple political forces compete to impose a specific causal structure on the political behavior of individuals. Class ideology is one of the potential competitors, along with the universalistic ideology of individuals-citizens, and various particularistic claims made on behalf of confessional persuasions, ethnic ties, linguistic affinities, regional, racist, or nationalistic values. Some of the most profound confrontations in European history did not involve class at all but rather juxtaposed confessional loyalties to universalistic conceptions of citizenship. Przeworski and Sprague (1986)The historical leftright divide in the West, centred on distributive issues, likely took shape due to the coincidence of industrialisation and democratisation: a large, cohesive, and organised working class backing a clear ideological project, on paper, and seemingly realised in communist countries. For a time, this allowed the working class to anchor coalitions supporting left-wing parties and helped structure political competition around economic lines. But the economic and demographic shifts since the postwar era have gradually eroded the foundations of this divide. It may be a mistake, then, to expect the leftright split to necessarily return to its specific twentieth-century form.

Low-income voters who once formed the core of left-wing coalitions have gradually shifted to supporting more and more right-wing, often populist, parties. This change reflects a broader transformation in political alignments. As left-wing parties have attracted highly educated, urban voters, the traditional working-class base has lost both influence and recognition. They grew concerned about developments like globalisation and immigration, broadly supported by left-wing parties, while their social status declined within the lefts evolving value system. In this context, right-wing parties have found opportunities to offer narratives that restore symbolic recognition and respond to the economic and cultural discontent of these voters.This post aims primarily to understand the political realignment of low-income voters, not to make a moral or partisan judgment about it. Nonetheless, the implications for society are significant enough to warrant a comment in conclusion. As discussed by Norris and Inglehart, Sandel, Piketty, and many others, this shift has often led low-income voters to support anti-establishment populist parties, many of which show a questionable commitment to democratic institutions. It is fair to say that Western democracies are facing a crisis marked by uncertainty about their resilience to external authoritarian pressures and internal populist tensions.11 Given the current pressures on democratic institutions, re-engaging low-income voters in the mainstream political process would appear to be a desirable goal for parties, left and right, committed to democratic norms.

reincarnator07 posted...

Do you think they wanted to lose?

Honestly, its sometimes hard to tell, but even putting that aside, whether they wanted to lose is irrelevant. The fact is they did lose. Because not enough people wanted to vote for them. And changing that is the only thing that can get rid of Republicans (or at least rid of enough of them) next time around. Do I know exactly what they shouldve done different? I mean, I can point out the general idea that Harris was doing really well at first when she was running on calling out Republicans for what they were and all that, but overall, no, I dont know what the perfect strategy is. Its kinda obvious the current ones not working though.

Oh good so this week we're back to "leftists are too insignificant and irrelevant to have influenced the election." Next week we'll be back to "the entire Democratic party must cater to our every whim because if not they'll lose again just like in 2024 and 2016."