Current Events > So what's with the increase in worldwide right wing activity?

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SecretBase posted...

I'm starting to think we're just doomed to go right-wing due to various factors.

It'd be one thing if it was just old people having a last dying grasp, but nope gen Z men are just as conservative as any older demographic.

Basically society is a negative feedback loop, the worse conditions get for people the more bitter they grow and the more they lean right out of spite. Inflation is up, partnership is down, so right-wing sentiment is being produced en masse.

It is a pendulum swing, when a leftwing government fails to provide, people go right. When rightwing fails to provide, they go left.

But it bears repeating at how society took the "newer generations will be more progressive" for granted and something set in stone, it had to blow up in their faces to realize it.

Trumble posted...

Honestly, its sometimes hard to tell, but even putting that aside, whether they wanted to lose is irrelevant. The fact is they did lose. Because not enough people wanted to vote for them. And changing that is the only thing that can get rid of Republicans (or at least rid of enough of them) next time around. Do I know exactly what they shouldve done different? I mean, I can point out the general idea that Harris was doing really well at first when she was running on calling out Republicans for what they were and all that, but overall, no, I dont know what the perfect strategy is. Its kinda obvious the current ones not working though.

I agree with all of this. However, it's not as if the Dems intentionally set out to lose. They made mistakes, through at best miscalculating. They placed far too much value in playing nice with the "reasonable" Republicans like Cheney compared to appealing to the base. Biden waiting so long to drop out was also bad.

However, many of their issues were external. The disinformation machine is well oiled in America and people continuously rail against policies that they support if you ask them without labels. For example, gun control is sadly a losing issue electorally, except if you list individual measures like waiting periods or closing the gun show loophole then they enjoy high bipartisan support. How do you defeat that propaganda machine that has people cheering for Trump even as he directly ruins their lives?

Hard times make democrats.

democrats make good times.

good times make republicans.

republicans make hard times

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Yes. It's honestly exhausting listening to people talk about how Dems need this perfect policy combination as if the majority of voters give half a fuck about policies. People want them to make a campaign for political nerds who care about this shit and not the majority of voters who are just going off vibes, stuff they heard/saw online etc. There is no magic teach critical thinking or make misinformation go away button. Start playing to win the game instead of complaining about the way the game has to be played.

ssjevot posted...

Yes. It's honestly exhausting listening to people talk about how Dems need this perfect policy combination as if the majority of voters give half a fuck about policies. People want them to make a campaign for political nerds who care about this shit and not the majority of voters who are just going off vibes, stuff they heard/saw online etc. There is no magic teach critical thinking or make misinformation go away button. Start playing to win the game instead of complaining about the way the game has to be played.

How do you just "make your own propaganda machine?"

Keep in mind there are about three major social media companies that by design boost right wing content and rhetoric. Most of the highest rated alternative news sources are people like Rogan, Carlson, Owens, etc. which skew right and that isn't really replicable because most of them have built in followings and lengthy histories. In that case, we're also up against those, the richest people on earth and the already existing media bias. And factor in that leftist content creators make it an identity in of itself to hate Democrats and Liberals.

Like who are the major progressive networks?
young Turks has been skewing right and Anna Kasparian is now practically screaming Nazi talking points. Hasan is a cosplaying rich boy antisemite terrorist fanboy who thinks 9/11 and J6 were awesome. Secular Talk and Majority Report are some of the better ones, but Kyle despises Dems and even Seder has to couch what he says

People have tried to create leftist and liberal news sources. It's not like there's been no attempts to do this.

LightSnake posted...

How do you just "make your own propaganda machine?"

Keep in mind there are about three major social media companies that by design boost right wing content and rhetoric. Most of the highest rated alternative news sources are people like Rogan, Carlson, Owens, etc. which skew right and that isn't really replicable because most of them have built in followings and lengthy histories. In that case, we're also up against those, the richest people on earth and the already existing media bias. And factor in that leftist content creators make it an identity in of itself to hate Democrats and Liberals.

Like who are the major progressive networks?
young Turks has been skewing right and Anna Kasparian is now practically screaming Nazi talking points. Hasan is a cosplaying rich boy antisemite terrorist fanboy who thinks 9/11 and J6 were awesome. Secular Talk and Majority Report are some of the better ones, but Kyle despises Dems and even Seder has to couch what he says

People have tried to create leftist and liberal news sources. It's not like there's been no attempts to do this.

To add onto this, there's no money in liberal and left wing media when compared with the right. Tim Pool got paid silly amount of money to repeat Russian propaganda. Entire companies like the Daily Wire, Newsmax, Breitbart, Prager U and a whole host of Youtube entities are directly funded by dark money to push conservative propaganda because affecting political discussion the way they have been has given them tremendous returns on investment, to say nothing of "more conventional" media like Fox News.

In contrast, who is willing to throw that sort of money at left wing media? Ignoring that big donor money is a big issue on the left, there's no return on investment. Even the channels that you've mentioned had to source their funding from small donors, in part because they consistently get censored and demonitised on social media, not to mention deranked in searches over establishment media. The system is stacked against them before they even start.

LightSnake posted...

How do you just "make your own propaganda machine?"

Keep in mind there are about three major social media companies that by design boost right wing content and rhetoric. Most of the highest rated alternative news sources are people like Rogan, Carlson, Owens, etc. which skew right and that isn't really replicable because most of them have built in followings and lengthy histories. In that case, we're also up against those, the richest people on earth and the already existing media bias. And factor in that leftist content creators make it an identity in of itself to hate Democrats and Liberals.

Like who are the major progressive networks?
young Turks has been skewing right and Anna Kasparian is now practically screaming Nazi talking points. Hasan is a cosplaying rich boy antisemite terrorist fanboy who thinks 9/11 and J6 were awesome. Secular Talk and Majority Report are some of the better ones, but Kyle despises Dems and even Seder has to couch what he says

People have tried to create leftist and liberal news sources. It's not like there's been no attempts to do this.

The fact of the matter is that the left has borderline negative charisma, which is why they are desperate a looking for "left Joe Rogan". They tried with Hasan and probably saw how stupid it was to bet on that sinking ship since CNN is talking about Destiny now.
reincarnator07 posted...

To add onto this, there's no money in liberal and left wing media when compared with the right. Tim Pool got paid silly amount of money to repeat Russian propaganda. Entire companies like the Daily Wire, Newsmax, Breitbart, Prager U and a whole host of Youtube entities are directly funded by dark money to push conservative propaganda because affecting political discussion the way they have been has given them tremendous returns on investment, to say nothing of "more conventional" media like Fox News.

In contrast, who is willing to throw that sort of money at left wing media? Ignoring that big donor money is a big issue on the left, there's no return on investment. Even the channels that you've mentioned had to source their funding from small donors, in part because they consistently get censored and demonitised on social media, not to mention deranked in searches over establishment media. The system is stacked against them before they even start.

Pouring money doesn't compare to the grassroots baseline of streamers that got fame. If anything this corporate style of throwing money at someone to success is what makes them look synthetic and fake.

Sometimes I wonder if it's best to just let the shit hit the fan? The stupid got us into this mess, and only the stupid can get us out of it.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Sometimes I wonder if it's best to just let the shit hit the fan? The stupid got us into this mess, and only the stupid can get us out of it.

Unfortunately, we don't have time for that, even if it is possible to end fascism once it takes root.

Climate change is coming, and without intelligent coordinated international action, that's a civilization-ender.

EPR-radar posted...

Unfortunately, we don't have time for that, even if it is possible to end fascism once it takes root.

Climate change is coming, and without intelligent coordinated international action, that's a civilization-ender.

You think anything except the most blatant, in-your-face herald of the end will get even a modicum of cooperation from people running the show these days?

They still think money will actually mean a damn when everyone is dying from the famine and pestilence that will spread from the rising temperatures. Any intelligent coordinated effort will come from well beyond the point of no return.

012yArthur0 posted...

The fact of the matter is that the left has borderline negative charisma, which is why they are desperate a looking for "left Joe Rogan". They tried with Hasan and probably saw how stupid it was to bet on that sinking ship since CNN is talking about Destiny now.

I wonder how Hasan and his orbiters are responding to this.

it's a natural consequence of liberal capitalism enshittifying everyone's lives and them turning to fascism as a desperate attempt to gain a sense of control

Getting back to the norm of human experience historically in the face of capitalism having a massive correction afterthought demographic collapse of globalization.

Humble_Novice posted...

I wonder how Hasan and his orbiters are responding to this.

He's dumb and problematic sometimes, but so is Rogan, that's part of the point. That's what confirms his authenticity in the minds of those he appeals to and that's why he's the closest we have.

Someone who gets on camera and repeats the safe and approved talking points to the Democratic Party is never going to be who we're looking for. Anyone who talks long enough will reveal some serious prejudice or blindspot they have. That's gotta be understood.

There's not going to be anyone who both has juice and never says anything offensive or indefensible. If it was, the Pod Save America guys would be the Joe Rogan you're looking for and they're very much not.

legendary_zell posted...

He's dumb and problematic sometimes, but so is Rogan, that's part of the point. That's what confirms his authenticity in the minds of those he appeals to and that's why he's the closest we have.

Someone who gets on camera and repeats the safe and approved talking points to the Democratic Party is never going to be who we're looking for. Anyone who talks long enough will reveal some serious prejudice or blindspot they have. That's gotta be understood.

There's not going to be anyone who both has juice and never says anything offensive or indefensible. If it was, the Pod Save America guys would be the Joe Rogan you're looking for and they're very much not.

I agree with this assessment, and it means we have a big problem.

Conservatives are very good at not doing any real infighting even after someone on their side says/does something indefensible (for a conservative). Trump's "just take the guns" moment is a good example. They all have their eyes on the prize (i.e., ending liberal democracy and replacing it with corrupt Republican/fascist rule).

Meanwhile, the good guys mostly don't have their eyes on the prize. Hell, there isn't even any agreement on what "the prize" is. Therefore infighting, amplified as always by GOP ratfuckers.

legendary_zell posted...

He's dumb and problematic sometimes, but so is Rogan, that's part of the point. That's what confirms his authenticity in the minds of those he appeals to and that's why he's the closest we have.

Someone who gets on camera and repeats the safe and approved talking points to the Democratic Party is never going to be who we're looking for. Anyone who talks long enough will reveal some serious prejudice or blindspot they have. That's gotta be understood.

There's not going to be anyone who both has juice and never says anything offensive or indefensible. If it was, the Pod Save America guys would be the Joe Rogan you're looking for and they're very much not.

He hates Jews and thinks 9/11 was awesome.

Find someone else. If you say "WE NEED HASAN," think of the message that fucking sends to your Jewish allies when Hasan giggles over how based ansar Allah is

I think it's pretty simple. People weren't happy with the state of the world, and the left was seen as the status quo, so going the opposite way is their way of fighting back. Of course it doesn't make any sense when you actually look at the policies of both sides, but the vast majority of people are politically inept.

EPR-radar posted...

I agree with this assessment, and it means we have a big problem.

Conservatives are very good at not doing any real infighting even after someone on their side says/does something indefensible (for a conservative). Trump's "just take the guns" moment is a good example. They all have their eyes on the prize (i.e., ending liberal democracy and replacing it with corrupt Republican/fascist rule).

Meanwhile, the good guys mostly don't have their eyes on the prize. Hell, there isn't even any agreement on what "the prize" is. Therefore infighting, amplified as always by GOP ratfuckers.

Not just that, but this also isn't something new. It literally took the right decades to work toward this. It's not as simple as "build a left wing propaganda network and find a left wing Joe Rogan." To add to what reincarnator said, the left doesn't bring in the money because pushing left wing ideals doesn't create and/or solidify power for individuals like it does for the right. What left wing person is going to dump millions into propping up a podcaster to push universal healthcare? How are they going to do that anyway when it's so easily drowned out by "Who's gonna pay for it?" by the plethora of right wing media?

legendary_zell posted...

He's dumb and problematic sometimes, but so is Rogan, that's part of the point. That's what confirms his authenticity in the minds of those he appeals to and that's why he's the closest we have.

Afaik, his popularity is getting rocky since Ethan lawsuit, and a lot of streamers of his group might actually be doomed from it.

If anything ShoeOnHead could be better, while having controversies she is in a far better situation than Hasan.

012yArthur0 posted...

Afaik, his popularity is getting rocky since Ethan lawsuit, and a lot of streamers of his group might actually be doomed from it.

From the youtubers I watched, ShoeOnHead would be a far better pick than Hasan and she is nowhere near as controversial, while she actually has a male base.

I'm a little skeptical of "Streamers are the way forward," coming mostly from streamers

012yArthur0 posted...

ShoeOnHead

Isn't she very controversial herself? If anything, I'd prefer that more people support Leeja Miller: https://www.youtube.com/leejamiller

LightSnake posted...

I'm a little skeptical of "Streamers are the way forward," coming mostly from streamers

Honestly, I kind agree. But if they want to go forward with this idea, might as well do it.

But I can't see any leftist party support a streamer or youtuber without making it look like an obvious industry plant. It needs to be grassroots.

Humble_Novice posted...

Isn't she very controversial herself? If anything, I'd prefer that more people support Leeja Miller: https://www.youtube.com/leejamiller

She is, but she is nothing compared to the kind of things Hasan is spewing lately but for some reason people are far more harsh on her than on him.

I'm just baffled by the idea anyone on the Left sees a guy who goes

"It's actually better if rich women are raped than poor ones. 9/11 was good. Jews are bad." And go "yeah, he's kinda problematic sometime, but we need him!"

Like what benefit do we get? You think people won't be a little put out by a guy who said the most traumatic national event in national memory was a good thing is associated with the Democrats?

Why does Hasan insist on associating himself with problematic people?
Before: https://x.com/HasanAbiUpdates/status/1879575204894318633
Now: https://x.com/adamwren/status/1954923543801512254

LightSnake posted...

I'm just baffled by the idea anyone on the Left sees a guy who goes

"It's actually better if rich women are raped than poor ones. 9/11 was good. Jews are bad." And go "yeah, he's kinda problematic sometime, but we need him!"

I guess desperation. It doesn't help that the media tried to prop him up as the "Leftwing fratbro" which turns out he is some pro-terrorist, nepobaby crazy guy that has good looks.

Like what benefit do we get? You think people won't be a little put out by a guy who said the most traumatic national event in national memory was a good thing is associated with the Democrats?

What if I tell you that he might be saying far worse shit nowadays? People are catching on that Twitch is playing favorites with this guy as he says some heinous shit most streamers and barely gets banned, while others say far less absurd stuff and gets weeks for it.

I won't be surprised if a lot of streamers might go for Kick in the future because of this.

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Earnestly, I don't quite thing it's super apt. I think Hasan is a grifter. A bumbling one, sure. But Rogan is like completely genuine in being an absolute fucking idiot

LightSnake posted...

Earnestly, I don't quite thing it's super apt. I think Hasan is a grifter. A bumbling one, sure. But Rogan is like completely genuine in being an absolute fucking idiot

Basically. Rogan is stupid but Hasan is flat out malicious.

LightSnake posted...

I'm just baffled by the idea anyone on the Left sees a guy who goes

"It's actually better if rich women are raped than poor ones. 9/11 was good. Jews are bad." And go "yeah, he's kinda problematic sometime, but we need him!"

Like what benefit do we get? You think people won't be a little put out by a guy who said the most traumatic national event in national memory was a good thing is associated with the Democrats?

As a leftist I for one want nothing to do with him. He's a fucking scumbag through and through.

The same king of tankies Hasan Piker who literally wanted Trump to win? lol delusional tankies, I thought you guys were completely powerless and impotent but now you want half the country to obey a tankie loser.

Rogan knows what he's doing, the stoner-esque stupidity is an act to provide plausible deniability lol.

SecretBase posted...

Rogan knows what he's doing, the stoner-esque stupidity is an act to provide plausible deniability lol.

Yeah it's obnoxious the way people defend him. He knows exactly what he's doing, you don't become one of the largest propagandists on Earth by accident.

His entire gimmick is literally "I'm just asking questions".

And some of those questions include "why did the Jews create ISIS?"

Something he promoted on a stream recently.

Poor economic and social conditions are a breeding ground for radicalization, especially when you can find a way to pin everybody's problems on some sort of marginalized group

Its time we move away from letting the internet warfare folk have the stage

They achieved nothing

someone can probably do a better version of this but whatever

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