Current Events > Hey 'mericans! If imperial is so great, why do you use metric to measure bullets

(+) Yeah! (+)

Check. AND. Mate

GOT

dman

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/52a55add.jpg

nobody likes imperial, we were just made to use it and it's the most familiar to us now

now celcius tho, that's a shit temp measurement, fahrenheit >>>

well the real answer is just that bullets are typically small enough to justify the smaller units of measure

now celcius tho, that's a shit temp measurement, fahrenheit >>>

this cope is so weird.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

Id like a box of 7/16ths lol.

USA needs to just adopt the metric system, its superior

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

this cope is so weird.

"How hot is it?"
"98 degrees"
"Wow, that's hot."

"How hot is it?"
"36.6 degrees"
"That doesn't sound hot at all!" *goes outside and dies of heatstroke*

Face it, Farenheit scales better. Meters, grams, liters etc is all well and good, but Celsius, nah man.

Ivynn posted...

"How hot is it?"
"98 degrees"
"Wow, that's hot."

"How hot is it?"
"36.6 degrees"
"That doesn't sound hot at all!" *goes outside and dies of heatstroke*

Face it, Farenheit scales better. Meters, grams, liters etc is all well and good, but Celsius, nah man.

at day to day temps yes. for anything outside of a weather report? no.

Ivynn posted...

"How hot is it?"
"98 degrees"
"Wow, that's hot."

"How hot is it?"
"36.6 degrees"
"That doesn't sound hot at all!" *goes outside and dies of heatstroke*

Face it, Farenheit scales better. Meters, grams, liters etc is all well and good, but Celsius, nah man.

36.6 sounds hot af

98!?!?! Are you walking into Gehenna or something?!

Ivynn posted...

"How hot is it?"
"98 degrees"
"Wow, that's hot."

"How hot is it?"
"36.6 degrees"
"That doesn't sound hot at all!" *goes outside and dies of heatstroke*

Face it, Farenheit scales better. Meters, grams, liters etc is all well and good, but Celsius, nah man.

but I know that 36 degrees is horribly hot.

if celsius is so great, why was indigo prophecy called fahrenheit?

Also, I'm calling British people out. You mock Americans for still using Imperial but I don't hear metric in your everyday speech! I hear plenty of Brits still using expression like "miles away" and stuff!

Metric is overall better tho, don't get me wrong.

viewmaster_pi posted...

if celsius is so great, why was indigo prophecy called fahrenheit?

You are taking pride in David Cageification?

Ivynn posted...

Also, I'm calling British people out. You mock Americans for still using Imperial but I don't hear metric in your everyday speech! I hear plenty of Brits still using expression like "miles away" and stuff!

Metric is overall better tho, don't get me wrong.

I will also add that British people invented the word Soccer so it's bullshit when they turn around and then try and claim that Americans are wrong for using the word Soccer.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

98!?!?! Are you walking into Gehenna or something?!

... holy crap is that where the word came from? My world is being shattered/rocked right now

s0nicfan posted...

I will also add that British people invented the word Soccer so it's bullshit when they turn around and then try and claim that Americans are wrong for using the word Soccer.

So the rest of Europe can still complain about it?

monkmith posted...

at day to day temps yes. for anything outside of a weather report? no.

If we're talking outside of weather reports, though, then you should be using Kelvin and not Celsius anyway. Celsius is convenient in that you capture the boiling and freezing temperature of one molecule using nice, even numbers, but Kelvin is the more appropriate measure, uses the exact same scale as Celsius, and zero actually means zero. Justifying using Celsius over Kelvin simply because water freezes at zero is no different than folks who insist on using Fahrenheit because 100 means too hot for people. It's finding one particular use case to justify your discomfort in having to learn a better system.

s0nicfan posted...

If we're talking outside of weather reports, though, then you should be using Kelvin and not Celsius anyway. Celsius is convenient in that you capture the boiling and freezing temperature of one molecule using nice, even numbers, but Kelvin is the more appropriate measure, uses the exact same scale as Celsius, and zero actually means zero. Justifying using Celsius over Kelvin simply because water freezes at zero is no different than folks who insist on using Fahrenheit because 100 means too hot for people. It's finding one particular use case to justify your discomfort in having to learn a better system.

You are a very silly.

HeeathLivesOn posted...

now celcius tho, that's a shit temp measurement, fahrenheit >>>

Fahrenheit is a strong contender for the most ridiculous imperial measurement, which is saying something. "Freezing? Let's make that 30 something! Boiling? Uh... 200 or so, I guess?"

It is useful for absolutely nothing. Celsius is better suited for scientific applications, is easier to remember for important temperatures (0 is where water freezes, 100 is where it boils, 20 is comfortable room temperature, 25 is a pleasant summer day, 30 is a hot day, and 35+ is getting dangerously hot), and is better for precision if you want to add decimal points.

Ivynn posted...

"How hot is it?"
"98 degrees"
"Wow, that's hot."

"How hot is it?"
"36.6 degrees"
"That doesn't sound hot at all!" *goes outside and dies of heatstroke*

36 "doesn't sound hot" only because you don't use Celsius. That's not an issue with the temperature scale, that's an issue with lack of use and it absolutely works both ways - 36 to me sounds like a blazing hot day, because it basically never hits those temperatures here, even at the hottest parts of the summer, meanwhile if someone tells me that it's "60F" outside, I have no idea how warm or cold that is. You could tell me anything from "chilly fall day" to "pleasantly warm" and I would believe you, because I don't use Fahrenheit.

Ivynn posted...

Also, I'm calling British people out. You mock Americans for still using Imperial but I don't hear metric in your everyday speech! I hear plenty of Brits still using expression like "miles away" and stuff!

Metric is overall better tho, don't get me wrong.

Oh yeah, we just mix and match at random.

'This plant is 60 cm tall now, but over the summer, it will grow another 10 inches'.

Ivynn posted...

"How hot is it?"
"98 degrees"
"Wow, that's hot."

"How hot is it?"
"36.6 degrees"
"That doesn't sound hot at all!" *goes outside and dies of heatstroke*

Face it, Farenheit scales better. Meters, grams, liters etc is all well and good, but Celsius, nah man.

Again, I think that comes down to familiarity. 36.6 degrees will sound like a hot day to someone who grew up using Celsius.

25 celsius is a living hellscape, not a pleasant summer day

s0nicfan posted...

I will also add that British people invented the word Soccer so it's bullshit when they turn around and then try and claim that Americans are wrong for using the word Soccer.

I'm more bothered by the fact that British drive on the wrong side of the road unlike America who drives on the right side of the road. How can we expect America to do the smart thing and adopt metric/celsius etc when its older brother does wrong things like driving incorrectly? Isn't there a country that uses both the metric system and drives on the right side of the road to serve as a role model for the America?

darkknight109 posted...

It is useful for absolutely nothing.

Everyday weather is the most common usage though, and that's where it's much better and more intuitive tbh
0 and below zero = dangerously cold
100 and above = dangerously hot
It's nice having a good medium scale between these without needing decimal points

Who cares about cooking temps, that's just something you set to a specific value by recipe and so it literally doesn't matter what it is

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

but I know that 36 degrees is horribly hot.

And we don't, get over it

Americans definitely placebo themselves into thinking they can tell the difference between individual degrees fahrenheit the way they claim.

bluezero posted...

And we don't, get over it

Extremely weird post

saspa posted...

I'm more bothered by the fact that British drive on the wrong side of the road unlike America who drives on the right side of the road. How can we expect America to do the smart thing and adopt metric/celsius etc when its older brother does wrong things like driving incorrectly? Isn't there a country that uses both the metric system and drives on the right side of the road to serve as a role model for the America?

How about France? They drive on the right side of the road and they don't just use the metric system, they invented it.

darkknight109 posted...

Fahrenheit is a strong contender for the most ridiculous imperial measurement, which is saying something. "Freezing? Let's make that 30 something! Boiling? Uh... 200 or so, I guess?"

It is useful for absolutely nothing. Celsius is better suited for scientific applications, is easier to remember for important temperatures (0 is where water freezes, 100 is where it boils, 20 is comfortable room temperature, 25 is a pleasant summer day, 30 is a hot day, and 35+ is getting dangerously hot), and is better for precision if you want to add decimal points.

Fahrenheit was literally created by Daniel Fahrenheit to measure ambient outside temperatures in northern Europe. 0 on the fahrenheit scale was the coldest temperature he could accurately reproduce, using an ice and salt brine mixture. And the highest point on the scale was body temperature, but he added a few more degrees to make it 0-100. Fahrenheit wasn't expanded beyond that until later.

Celsius was created later on, by an astronomer that was concerned about scientific experiments, not ambient temperature

If we're just talking weather report, both sides are wrong
All you need is "it's cold, bring a coat" or "warm enough for shorts"

NATO

But temperature is better in Imperial.

s0nicfan posted...

I will also add that British people invented the word Soccer so it's bullshit when they turn around and then try and claim that Americans are wrong for using the word Soccer.

The word 'soccer' was invented and used by the posh students at Public Schools (to distinguish it from Rugby Football), Oxford and Cambridge Universities, and by the wealthy elites who owned the clubs and administered the game.

'Football' was the word used by the working classes who originated the game, and formed the majority of the player and fan base.

So you decide whose side you're on when you pick which word to use. Will it be the privileged few who owned the game, or the regular people who played it?

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

25 celsius is a living hellscape, not a pleasant summer day

Youre danish too right? Well ill have to disagree, those 2 days in July 22 i specifically call Miracle Days.

On topic. PC setups are inconsistent too. Monitor size is in inches, internal components (size of fans, gpu length, motherboard dimensions) are in milimeters... and temps are in Celsius.

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

25 celsius is a living hellscape, not a pleasant summer day

...are you from Neptune or something?

HeeathLivesOn posted...

Everyday weather is the most common usage though, and that's where it's much better and more intuitive tbh
0 and below zero = dangerously cold
100 and above = dangerously hot

No, it is not more intuitive. You think that way because you're used to using Fahrenheit - no other reason. Also, I find it a bit bizarre that you're saying that it's better for "everyday weather", then proceed to list the delineation points as extreme weather you're only likely to see at the hottest points of the summer or the coldest points of the winter in the single country in the world that doesn't use Celsius for weather.

Here's how it subdivides in Celcius:
-40 and below: Dangerously cold. Avoid going out if possible.
-30 to -40: Extreme cold, high risk of frostbite and hypothermia without high-quality winter gear.
-20 to -30: Really cold. Wear a good coat, gloves/mittens, and a hat.
-10 to -20: Cold. Wear a jacket.
0 to -10: Cold enough to have snow on the ground, but only just - you can manage without a jacket if you're used to living in a cold climate.
0 to 10: Brisk. No snow, but you'll want long sleeves on.
10 to 20: Warmish.
20 to 30: Warm. T-shirt and sunscreen weather.
30 to 40: Hot. Make sure you have lots of water, stay in the shade, and take frequent breaks.
40 and over: Dangerously hot. Avoid being outdoors in the sun if at all possible.

Clean, elegant, no muss, no fuss.

HeeathLivesOn posted...

It's nice having a good medium scale between these without needing decimal points

You don't need decimal points on weather for Celsius. The outdoor temperature is going to regularly be going up and down by more than fractions of a degree, so you don't need that level of precision for ambient temperature, because it's going to be largely useless in practical scenarios.

the actual answer is most american developed rounds (.45,.22,.308 etc.) are measured in imperial units while other rounds like 9mm measured in metric were developed outside america. The exception is the US military which usually uses metric to measure smaller distances but imperial to measure longer ones.

Ivynn posted...

"How hot is it?"
"98 degrees"
"Wow, that's hot."

"How hot is it?"
"36.6 degrees"
"That doesn't sound hot at all!" *goes outside and dies of heatstroke*

Face it, Farenheit scales better. Meters, grams, liters etc is all well and good, but Celsius, nah man.

The fact that you dared post this is exactly why "common sense politics" is being done right now, people so close minded that think only what they grew up believing can only be true, and cannot even fathom that pretty much the rest of the world could flip that example and be completely fine and know that 36 or whatever is hot while 98 is not even a number that they ever see in their daily life as far as weather is concerned.
It comes completely natural and normal for you because you grew up with it just as it comes natural to everybody else for the opposite.

I like how the talk almost immediately turned to temperatures, as Fahrenheit is really the only unit we have better than the metric alternatives.

Also, mandatory:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/485098ff.jpg

darkknight109 posted...

No, it is not more intuitive. You think that way because you're used to using Fahrenheit - no other reason. Also, I find it a bit bizarre that you're saying that it's better for "everyday weather", then proceed to list the delineation points as extreme weather you're only likely to see at the hottest points of the summer or the coldest points of the winter in the single country in the world that doesn't use Celsius for weather.

Here's how it subdivides in Celcius:
-30 and below: Extreme cold, high risk of frostbite and hypothermia without high-quality winter gear.
-20 to -30: Really cold. Wear a good coat, gloves/mittens, and a hat.
-10 to -20: Cold. Wear a jacket.
0 to -10: Cold enough to have snow on the ground, but only just - you can manage without a jacket if you're used to living in a cold climate.
0 to 10: Brisk. No snow, but you'll want long sleeves on.
10 to 20: Warmish.
20 to 30: Warm. T-shirt and sunscreen weather.
30 to 40: Hot. Make sure you have lots of water, stay in the shade, and take frequent breaks.
40 and over: Dangerously hot. Avoid being outdoors in the sun if at all possible.

Clean, elegant, no muss, no fuss.

And by that same token, you believe that is best because that is what you are used to. You can do the same kind of breakdown for Fahrenheit.

0 and below: Dangerously cold
0 to 20: Really cold
20 to 40: Just cold enough to have snow on the ground
40 to 60: Brisk
60 to 80: Warm
80 to 100: Hot
100 and over: Dangerously hot

No need for negative numbers, and there's a wider scale so the temperature changes aren't as extreme.

I think we can all agree that Rankine is the optimal temperature measure

K181 posted...

I like how the talk almost immediately turned to temperatures, as Fahrenheit is really the only unit we have better than the metric alternatives.

Also, mandatory:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/485098ff.jpg

This always happens because imperial copers always go for what they think is their best bullet in the chamber and it still is BS because all they say is "this is better cuz im used to eet look its so naturalz"

Imperial is better and we, as simpletons, are way too attached to the number 10 tbh.

orcus_snake posted...

This always happens because imperial copers always go for what they think is their best bullet in the chamber and it still is BS because all they say is "this is better cuz im used to eet look its so naturalz"

Isn't that literally what the other side is arguing, too?

People are going to prefer whichever they grew up with, that's natural.

That said, didn't Fahrenheit get standardized first? I see a lot of people act like the US just randomly made up Fahrenheit like 10 years ago to be different.

monkmith posted...

at day to day temps yes. for anything outside of a weather report? no.

I agree Celsius/Kelvin is the way to go for absolutely everything else. If we are just discussing outdoor temperature though, Farenheit offers a much more intuitive range of expressing conditions. That's the one thing I would insist on keeping it for.

HashtagSEP posted...

That said, didn't Fahrenheit get standardized first? I see a lot of people act like the US just randomly made up Fahrenheit like 10 years ago to be different.

It did, yes. And not even an American creation. Fahrenheit was invented in 1724 by a German physicist. Celsius was invented in 1742 by a Swedish astronomer

NoxObscuras posted...

And by that same token, you believe that is best because that is what you are used to.

No, I believe it is better because metric is standardized to work with degrees Celsius (or Kelvin, but Celsius is just Kelvin with the zero point moved to be more practical in day-to-day life).

You're right that I think Celsius is *more intuitive* because it's what I am used to... because that's my fuckin' point! All the people in this topic acting like Fahrenheit is somehow better because they think 100 "sounds hot" or something are just repeating personal biases. Someone who grew up with Celsius is going to have that exact same familiarity with the temperature system.

The entire reason I spelled out the subdivision for Celsius was to show you can do the exact same thing with both temperature scales - it's not something exclusive to Fahrenheit. All you're doing by pointing this out is agreeing with me.

HashtagSEP posted...

That said, didn't Fahrenheit get standardized first?

A lot of imperial units got standardized first. That doesn't make them better.

My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and thats the way I likes it.

America can't go full metric because then footlong subs would sound silly.

orcus_snake posted...

This always happens because imperial copers always go for what they think is their best bullet in the chamber and it still is BS because all they say is "this is better cuz im used to eet look its so naturalz"

I literally said that metric is better for every unit of measurement except temperature. Seems like I'm making a nuanced statement there rather than just sticking to everything that I'm used to (which includes miles and feet, pounds and ounces, gallons and pints, etc., etc., all of which I'm admitting are inferior to metric).

My take is that Fahrenheit allows for greater precision of temperatures within individual units rather than needing to split degrees. A difference of one or two degrees is more subtle in Fahrenheit than Celsius as a result. Celsius has an admitted advantage as 0 is easier to remember than 32 for freezing, but beyond that I don't view that alone as overcoming it's drawback over individual degrees covering too much of a range (and I don't credit 100 at boiling as a major positive, as you don't really use that in every day conversation as anytime you boil something you just it to boil and the water actually boiling is the cue).

Admittedly, if Celsius was modified to make 200 or 250 the boiling point instead, then I'd think that was superior to Fahrenheit.