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rwlh 09/08/25 4:40:39 PM #1: |
Arguments for Kiryu:
Arguments for DK:
Last topic DK proved he was the greatest warrior in the galaxy by handily defeating Meta Knight. Today he takes on a potent force in the world of organized crime. DK routinely fights other animals, but how will he fare against a Dragon? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hombad46 09/08/25 4:41:36 PM #2: |
Tiger drop negates all damage --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/08/25 4:42:33 PM #3: |
They'd fight, it'd be inconclusive and Kiryu would invite Donkey Kong to be a bouncer at his club --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kamekguy 09/08/25 4:50:48 PM #4: |
Kiryu would surrender the instant he saw DK supporting a small child. They would then decide it based on if Pauline or Haruka is a better singer. --- Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor ... Copied to Clipboard!
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paperwarior 09/08/25 4:51:13 PM #5: |
Kiryu has been shot with actual guns. It did hurt, but it didn't stop him. --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pirateking2000 09/08/25 4:56:40 PM #6: |
hombad46 posted... Tiger drop negates all damage --- XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2 "There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make **** up to cover their ass." - Hazama ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 09/08/25 5:00:00 PM #7: |
Kamekguy posted... Kiryu would surrender the instant he saw DK supporting a small child. This is the actual fight. Could Haruka outsing Pauline? And could Kiryu back her up better? Imo yes --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/08/25 5:00:26 PM #8: |
Kiryu --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xiahou_Shake 09/08/25 5:08:33 PM #9: |
This 1000% feels like it would be a Yakuza substory. Kiryu would win but the more likely outcome is they stop midfight and come to respect one another, then DK joins whatever Kiryu's latest business is and they go to karaoke with their daughters. Kiryu: Heh, DK's a wild guy in a brawl, but he's even more bananas on the mic. --- Let the voice of love take you higher, With this gathering power, go beyond even time! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dante 09/08/25 5:22:45 PM #10: |
donkey kong solos --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 09/08/25 6:15:03 PM #11: |
Kiryu Hard to see what DK does about Tiger drop, it's built as a "get off me" button to straightforward power like his. Like it launches full grown tigers 15+ yards back, and he even does it underwater to giant sharks and it still sends them flying back like that. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chaeix 09/08/25 6:27:32 PM #12: |
i still don't understand kiryu --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Young_Link 09/08/25 6:31:12 PM #13: |
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. TIGER DROP --- https://imgur.com/gOGzcN4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chaeix 09/08/25 6:32:01 PM #14: |
i went to go check merx discord to see if this had been discussed but DISCORD IS DOWN what will i ever do edit: it's back up and there has been no discussion --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rwlh 09/08/25 7:34:16 PM #15: |
I looked up "yakuza tiger drop" on YouTube and I got a clip of Kiryu fighting an actual tiger, which I think is a whole different thing lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hombad46 09/08/25 7:35:57 PM #16: |
rwlh posted... I looked up "yakuza tiger drop" on YouTube and I got a clip of Kiryu fighting an actual tiger, which I think is a whole different thing lol Tiger Drop is a move Kiryu can use to counter attacks and deal big damage while negating any to himself --- It's tempting to linger in this moment, while every possibility still exists. But unless collapsed by an observer, they will never be more than possibilities. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 09/08/25 7:50:30 PM #17: |
Chaeix posted... i still don't understand kiryuImagine Batman if he didn't use stealth and just directly fist fought everyone, and usually the henchmen fights were 1v50 minimum. Similar levels of Kiryu and major bosses having superhuman powers sometimes, like punching through concrete, lifting cars, dodging gunfire, making impossible handgun shots to disarm 5 guys in under a second while swinging on a rope, tanking cutscene gunshots/stab wounds, fighting things like sharks, bears, and tigers unarmed casually, things like that. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chaeix 09/08/25 7:50:51 PM #18: |
i need to see tiger drop in action to make a judgment on whether or not he might be able to use it on DK --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 09/08/25 8:06:57 PM #19: |
Chaeix posted... i need to see tiger drop in action to make a judgment on whether or not he might be able to use it on DKHere's it in cutscenes then gameplay: https://64.media.tumblr.com/c027cb89cb871a4b1befe0a7466ba4a6/a9fcb86c69ed425e-a2/s540x810/2496dee095f2274c6c5c2d1b58116f161786fd69.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNDnalHWV60 Throughout the series it's his most busted endgame move. You just press triangle when an enemy is about to attack you and it sends them flying, usually one shots regular enemies and entire phases of boss fights can end in 2 tiger drops. There's also this punch here, which managing that underwater is crazy. https://tenor.com/view/yakuza6-kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-shark-punch-gif-17778010 --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/08/25 8:08:09 PM #20: |
DK All of Kiryu's feats are extremely impressive...for a human. He hasn't done anything that DK couldn't do better. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mistaya 09/08/25 8:11:32 PM #21: |
Donkey Kong wins this one but i do agree they go out for Karaoke with the girls afterwards. --- I've dodged these forums for 25 years, damn it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dedf1sh 09/08/25 8:14:52 PM #22: |
KamikazePotato posted... DKWithout being familiar with the series, this is the impression that I'm getting from people's explanations. I'm going with DK unless anyone can change my mind with a better argument. --- HDT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/08/25 8:24:49 PM #23: |
Like punching through concrete is crazy for a human to do, sure. DK has an entire new game where he effortlessly destroys the entire environment for funsies. No Yakuza character is going to be as tanky either. This is just a general power mismatch. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 09/08/25 8:30:30 PM #24: |
KamikazePotato posted... Like punching through concrete is crazy for a human to do, sure. DK has an entire new game where he effortlessly destroys the entire environment for funsies. No Yakuza character is going to be as tanky either. This is just a general power mismatch. The counterpoint is that Kiryu has spy supertech at his peak, including shit like jet boots, spiderman threads, drones and explosive cigarettes. He's not really at 'for a human' anymore, he pushes a bit past it. And that's really all that's needed when he severely outskills DK --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/08/25 8:34:21 PM #25: |
Even if you take all of Kiryu's disparate weirdness across 8 Yakuza games and combine it into one super-Kiryu that doesn't actually exist, he's not beating DK. Spiderman threads just ends up with DK tossing him around. Explosive cigarettes are much less damaging than what DK deals with in his boss battles. DK is simply much stronger and tankier, and reasonably faster too. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/08/25 8:40:02 PM #26: |
Nom DK vs The Flash --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 09/08/25 8:43:27 PM #27: |
KamikazePotato posted... Like punching through concrete is crazy for a human to do, sure. DK has an entire new game where he effortlessly destroys the entire environment for funsies. No Yakuza character is going to be as tanky either. This is just a general power mismatch.There's already some pretty big power mismatches with DK though. His defense is nowhere close to his offense, given most enemies he faces are nowhere close to the level of destroying the environment but they do significant damage to him. Kiryu is far and away stronger than most DK enemies, and a lot faster and more technical. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 09/08/25 8:44:23 PM #28: |
KamikazePotato posted... Even if you take all of Kiryu's disparate weirdness across 8 Yakuza games and combine it into one super-Kiryu that doesn't actually exist, he's not beating DK. Spiderman threads just ends up with DK tossing him around. Explosive cigarettes are much less damaging than what DK deals with in his boss battles. DK is simply much stronger and tankier, and reasonably faster too. Are they really much less damaging? The big question mark for DK is his durability now, because he dies in four hits with a maxed out healthbar against serious opposition, and like one or two otherwise. I don't think he can really soak as many blows as you feel he does. Dish em, yeah, but when was the last time DK took something on the chin and didn't sell? --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rwlh 09/08/25 8:53:37 PM #29: |
Lopen posted... Nom DK vs The Flash The Flash will be powerless against DK's time slow! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 09/08/25 8:54:51 PM #30: |
Okay, I've played these games before. There needs to be catch-all a Mercs definition for 'I know I'm arguing with people who are diehard fans of a character, and they will be a headache to deal with as they cherry-pick lots of stuff while trying to sound JUST reasonable enough to pass muster.' I say this as someone who's been the diehard fan in the past. Too busy to willingly step into the trap today, have at it. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 09/08/25 8:58:38 PM #31: |
...Also man I forgot that the argument about 'he just gets tossed around' is literally seen in Yakuza Gaiden because Kiryu fights a guy who cuts him repeatedly with a katana, takes a three story dive through glass to a straight up fall to the hard ground below, THEN strings the dude who ragdolls him around so hard he ends up being tossed a story upward, and his response is to just go 'two can play that game' and beat him in a straight up fistfight. Like, no, Kiryu has dealt with absurd brute strength before. He still won in the end. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 09/08/25 9:01:23 PM #32: |
I have to emphasize btw: all of the above is just battle cutscenes in one fight. Gaiden Kiryu is his peak, it's not even worth arguing otherwise, and he also faces his strongest opposition there IMO. You can basically riff on that game and have everything you need. And I do think Kiryu gets enough of a power boost there to beat DK. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hbthebattle 09/08/25 9:02:06 PM #33: |
KamikazePotato posted... Okay, I've played these games before. There needs to be catch-all a Mercs definition for 'I know I'm arguing with people who are diehard fans of a character, and they will be a headache to deal with as they cherry-pick lots of stuff while trying to sound JUST reasonable enough to pass muster.'Other battleboarding places would call this an agenda --- :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mewtwo59 09/08/25 9:07:04 PM #34: |
KJH posted... https://64.media.tumblr.com/c027cb89cb871a4b1befe0a7466ba4a6/a9fcb86c69ed425e-a2/s540x810/2496dee095f2274c6c5c2d1b58116f161786fd69.gif The most impressive part of this one is Kiryu did this after already beating another tiger at the same time, and he did this only hours after being stabbed in the gut with a poisoned knife. Yakuza gets really silly at times. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chaeix 09/08/25 9:10:11 PM #35: |
KamikazePotato posted... Okay, I've played these games before. There needs to be catch-all a Mercs definition for 'I know I'm arguing with people who are diehard fans of a character, and they will be a headache to deal with as they cherry-pick lots of stuff while trying to sound JUST reasonable enough to pass muster.' I say this as someone who's been the diehard fan in the past.I just call them headache characters --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UF8 09/08/25 9:17:53 PM #36: |
to celebrate the recent release of everybody's golf hot shots, i'll arbitrarily decide by comparing the best footage i can find of either (in other golf games) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsWuyTnWBJE&t=184s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpl78ZGZ9Dg sadly dk did it one handed so there is no contest. DK ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 09/08/25 9:18:40 PM #37: |
Mewtwo59 posted... The most impressive part of this one is Kiryu did this after already beating another tiger at the same time, and he did this only hours after being stabbed in the gut with a poisoned knife. Yakuza gets really silly at times.And it happens after Osaka Castle splits in two, revealing a second Osaka Castle made of solid gold that rises from the ground, stocked full of ninja and samurai. I think it took until Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii for them to get as goofy as that part of 2 again. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chaeix 09/08/25 9:43:32 PM #38: |
slow to post this but according to mercs chat the calculus we are dealing with is dk > squall > kiryu > dk we're stuck in a time loop my friends, my head hurts --- we're all buds~jc~ <DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bossman_Coolguy 09/08/25 9:47:16 PM #39: |
kiryu --- "you're the real hotdogger, azuarc" - meisnewbie, paraphrased ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bossman_Coolguy 09/08/25 9:47:57 PM #40: |
Pretty sure he beats up a tiger or something i feel he's good with animals --- "you're the real hotdogger, azuarc" - meisnewbie, paraphrased ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 09/08/25 10:04:50 PM #41: |
Chaeix posted... slow to post this but according to mercs chat the calculus we are dealing with is I can only speak for myself here, but the reason I hold that stance is that Kiryu mostly punches above his weight class by severely martially outskilling his opponents. He's not the actual strongest or toughest yakuza in his universe, but he's the most flexible and brilliant fighter. The issue is that I feel Squall severely outskills him. Kiryu has survived shit like getting shot at by a minigun, but Squall survived his archenemy putting him in a timestop and surrounding him with magical projectiles from every single direction and still escaped unscathed. Kiryu can't meaningfully blindside him if Ultimecia failed to do it with something so unbelievably abusive and broken. Instead the way to beat Squall is to overpower him, and DK is better at that than Kiryu is. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedJeezy 09/08/25 10:57:07 PM #42: |
Chaeix posted... slow to post this but according to mercs chat the calculus we are dealing with is That's not too crazy, I could see something like Bartz > Pamela > BJ > Bartz --- There are no pan-Asian supermarkets down in hell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PunishedJeezy 09/08/25 11:00:23 PM #43: |
I think that DK takes this, he punches harder --- There are no pan-Asian supermarkets down in hell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 09/08/25 11:00:50 PM #44: |
KamikazePotato posted... Okay, I've played these games before. There needs to be catch-all a Mercs definition for 'I know I'm arguing with people who are diehard fans of a character, and they will be a headache to deal with as they cherry-pick lots of stuff while trying to sound JUST reasonable enough to pass muster.' I say this as someone who's been the diehard fan in the past. Crazy that a DK voter is posting this --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tcaz2 09/08/25 11:40:03 PM #45: |
DK I think Kiryu would actually put up a decent fight though. Realistically I agree it doesn't go to a KO though and Kiryu and DK stop and hang out. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hbthebattle 09/08/25 11:56:58 PM #46: |
anyway DK kiryu can't deal with timeslow because he'd never hit Pauline --- :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GANON1025 09/08/25 11:59:01 PM #47: |
DK wins --- I find it kinda bussin, I find it kinda cap That the dreams in which I'm dying are the ones that kinda slap ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KJH 09/09/25 3:53:43 AM #48: |
Chaeix posted... slow to post this but according to mercs chat the calculus we are dealing with isIt's not too weird. All three would get rocked by the others hitting them, so in a 1v1 it's mostly down to who can land a clean hit or dodge the best. DK not very skilled, he's throwing haymakers and nothing else. Kiryu's the most technical fighter here with the most experience fighting unarmed enemies, especially given his tons of counters/parries that launch 500+ pound animals, along with boxing style where he bobs and weaves through attacks and constantly circles around them. DK landing a punch would be like me trying to get a clean hit on Floyd Mayweather or Muhammad Ali. Neither of Squall or DK are especially dodgy, so against each other it's more or less slugging it out. Squall kinda folds to overwhelming offense in cutscenes, main ones being a Fire spell from Seifer in the intro, the grunt in the power armor body checking him during the Garden attack, and the ice spear from Edea. DK's got that kind of strength and goes straight for rushdown. Squall vs Kiryu is more risky for Kiryu since Squall's more technical and a gunblade's unfamiliar plus a bit unpredictable by nature with the whole "pull the trigger, make an explosion that propels the blade mid-swing" thing. It's a lot harder to read than haymakers or the guns, daggers, and katanas he's used to dealing with, and he can't really afford a mistake. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 09/09/25 7:33:18 AM #49: |
Kiryu --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rwlh 09/09/25 9:15:04 AM #50: |
UF8 posted... to celebrate the recent release of everybody's golf hot shots, i'll arbitrarily decide by comparing the best footage i can find of either (in other golf games) Could Donkey Kong defeat Kazuma Kiryu at the PGA Championship? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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