Current Events > One Piece Manga Chapter 1160 - Spoilers are Available!!!

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Also, I probably should point this out. The Spoilers were incorrect about something.

As in, the Davy Clan and Buccaneers are not the same. As I said, spoilers aren't always right.

Monkey Davy luffy. Will of davy. So we finally have an answer to this after all this time.

Scardude posted...

Monkey Davy luffy. Will of davy. So we finally have an answer to this after all this time.

D doesn't equal Davy.

Otherwise, Rocks's real name would be Davy Davy Xebec.

I'm still banking D stands for dream

Tony Tony chopper was a hint

The D stands for Dony.

I'm assuming Rocks is gonna end up enraged like Dorry and Brogy, and Rogers and Garp are going to end up putting him down. But yeah, Garp does not look great keeping the Celestial Dragons safe. I'm honestly assuming he's planning on some type of military coup along with the Revolutionary Army, since I guess it's implied him and Dragon do exchange some type of information.

He is only redeemed if he was da one who started Sword but right now i think it was Sengoku who started it imo. Garp is just all fighting, no strategy like dat

Just realized there is a break next week. Dang it!
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So the official Viz translation is up for everyone to read for free.

The spoilers/fan translations had several issues this week. A big reason why even if you follow them, you should still read the official Viz translation (which mind you, isn't always right either, having referred to Garling as the king/ruler of God Valley until that was corrected), which is generally of higher quality. Again, newer chapters are free, so no reason not to do this.

First, there was the incorrect statement that the Davy Clan and Buccaneers are the same. Probably this was a slight mistranslation of this part...
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Second, and this is big, but the "newer" fan translation had Dragon saying his whole platoon got executed. The issue appears to be past vs future tense. He was really saying that if he defys the Celestial Dragons his whole platoon will be executed (shown below). Props to LightSnake for pointing that out.
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Those are the two big translation errors. Some corrections that should be addressed on people's thoughts though.

It seems that even at this point in his career Garp doesn't seem to be aware of the "hunts", just referring to the events as "Celestial Dragon Field Trips" or something before running to the island to go after Roger. Hopefully he learns what is going on.

Also, Garp likely had no idea Dragon was at God Valley considering his assignment was so hush hush. So people beating Garp up over being more interested in fighting Roger over his own son's welfare are likely off base. I wonder if the two will come across each other though... Who knows, maybe Garp could save his son from an enraged Gatling? Hard to see how Garp could get away from opposing God's Knights, but maybe he could do something discretely. At some point, Dragon has to lose Shamrock considering he grows up a God Knight, so who knows at this point how things will go down. What is almost certainly true though is Garp does learn about the "hunts" one way or another. Even if the pirate chaos means he doesn't come into contact with the people being genocided (which is a huge stretch if Oda decides to go that route), the fact he is still on speaking terms with Dragon even in the present day (and they talked at least once during Part 1 before the Timeskip) makes it inconceivable he doesn't know.

Lastly, I think Sengoku wasn't entirely truthful in Chapter 957 in this panel.
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I'm pretty sure protecting the Celestial Dragons and their "slaves", as in the people they are murdering, are mutually exclusive at this point.

My goodness are the Celestial Dragons evil. Otohime must have been a saint to get one of these evildoers (Mjosgard) to realize what they are doing is wrong.

Vegy posted...

He is only redeemed if he was da one who started Sword but right now i think it was Sengoku who started it imo. Garp is just all fighting, no strategy like dat

No idea who started SWORD with X Drake being listed as its current captain only. Just reminds me, but I missed what happened to X Drake after Wano. He got off the island and made it back to the Marine GS General Hospital and even got to hear Vegapunk's broadcast.

It would be fitting though that Garp would found a group like this so that a new generation of marines could follow their own sense of justice. As he isn't a member himself though, it seems to hurt how likely this scenario is.

Woeful_Nienna posted...

My goodness are the Celestial Dragons evil. Otohime must have been a saint to get one of these evildoers (Mjosgard) to realize what they are doing is wrong.

It would be interesting to see exactly how that went down. I'm surprised Mjosgard didn't just throw her in a cage as a trophy or something.

I doubt we will ever know the details though, as Otohime died years ago and Mjosgard was executed more recently by Garling for doing the right thing in stopping Charlos (twice) from enslaving Shirahoshi.

It does go to show that even a Celestial Dragon defying the usual way that Celestial Dragons act carries massive risks and adds weight to what Sengoku says in Chapter 957 regarding Garp.
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I don't really think there's excuse for "new generation of marines" by now. The institution cannot be reformed as long as the World Nobles exist.

LightSnake posted...

I don't really think there's excuse for "new generation of marines" by now. The institution cannot be reformed as long as the World Nobles exist.

Considering that the long-term plan of IMU/The Five Elder Stars (known to just them and speculated by some of the Revolutionaries like Emporio Ivankov) appears to be to flood the world and kill all life that isn't on top of the Red Line (such as at the Holy Land Mariejois), that's a fair take. They will have to be dealt with for most life to survive. But again, this isn't common knowledge even among the top brass of the Marines. There is also the truth of "the hunts" that happen every 3 years (or 2 years when someone like Garling can't wait), although that is mostly kept hush hush.

Granted, assuming Garp had anything to do with making SWORD, I can't fault Garp for trying to do something within the system to make things better (or is SWORD technically outside the system?). And heck, who knows what swerves may be going on. Maybe Garp is preparing for a Marines that isn't beholden to the World Nobles (or even supplying intel to his Son Dragon, who knows). If the World Government was dissolved tomorrow, Pirates (most of whom are some degree of malevolent) would cause havoc.

This seems to be understood even by the Revolutionaries, with Chapter 905 having Koala say that their goal isn't to get rid of the World Government, just the Celestial Dragons.
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Yeah, the attack at Marijoa was meant to kill the Five Elders.

The World Government is ostensibly a co-equal group of nations that get together to enact policy via votes. A lot of the kings aren't bad people, but joining is a matter of survival. But the system is rotten as long as the Celestial Dragons remain and Imu means any choice is an illusion

LightSnake posted...

Yeah, the attack at Marijoa was meant to kill the Five Elders.

it was meant to rescue Kuma and cut the food supplies. Sabo going into the throne room was due to him overhearing rumors

mehmeh1 posted...

it was meant to rescue Kuma and cut the food supplies. Sabo going into the throne room was due to him overhearing rumors

Yeah, but Sabo also says he intended to kill the Elders with his attack

LightSnake posted...

Yeah, the attack at Marijoa was meant to kill the Five Elders.

A worthy aim, but I don't think that was the intention of the attack at the Levely. It may be the aim of whoever is responsible for why "the Holy Land is currently in a sea of flames" as IMU eluded to on Elbaph in Chapter 1149, but we have zero clarification on what IMU was talking about at this point with even the perpetrator(s) or extent of damage not being know.

According to Sabo in Chapter 1083, as the leader of the Levely attack, he had three aims (shown in the image at the bottom of the post).

1. Destroy the symbol of the Celestial Dragons (declare war on them)
2. Free as many slaves as possible (including Kuma)
3. Destroy their food supply

He ended up in Pangaea Castle in Chapter 1084 to get the keys to the slave collars, met up with Bonney, and overhead something about "The Lost Chamber". This led him to where IMU/The Five Elders/Cobra were, with Sabo attacking after IMU stabbed Cobra with his tail.

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Edit: It seems I took too long making this post (was reviewing chapters). Someone else already brought this up. Well, at least my post is more complete...

LightSnake posted...

Yeah, but Sabo also says he intended to kill the Elders with his attack

yeah but it's less that he went to Mariejois planning to kill them and more that he put everything he had into the attack to try save Cobra. That whole sequence was beyond the plan's scope

mehmeh1 posted...

yeah but it's less that he went to Mariejois planning to kill them and more that he put everything he had into the attack to try save Cobra. That whole sequence was beyond the plan's scope

If only he succeeded.

As it is, Cobra still died and Sabo barely escaped with his life (and then nearly died at Lulusia as well). Plus, he got framed for killing Cobra which oddly enough actually helped the cause of the Revolutionary Army. Just crazy.

Woeful_Nienna posted...

If only he succeeded.

As it is, Cobra still died and Sabo barely escaped with his life (and then nearly died at Lulusia as well). Plus, he got framed for killing Cobra which oddly enough actually helped the cause of the Revolutionary Army. Just crazy.

and he got out with a lot of information as well, which now Dragon and Iva have too. Plus he got to help evacuate many people from Lulusia and got them to enlist to the RA. He got off REALLY well from that situation

mehmeh1 posted...

and he got out with a lot of information as well, which now Dragon and Iva have too. Plus he got to help evacuate many people from Lulusia and got them to enlist to the RA. He got off REALLY well from that situation

He certainly did. It still amazes me.

I brought it up out of context, but does anyone want to take a stab at who is responsible for why "the Holy Land is currently in a sea of flames" as IMU eluded to on Elbaph in Chapter 1149?

My takeaway from the three way talk between Dragon, Sabo, and Iva is that they were on standby until the Holy Knights made a move...but when Shamrock got recalled to the Holy Land Mary Geoise to presumably deal the situation post-Levely after teleporting in Sommers/Killingham, both Sommers/Killingham were loofing around/half asleep respectively. Basically the situation wasn't urgent yet. This was in Chapter 1140. So I would presume it isn't the Revolutionary Army, but I'm not sure who else it could be...

Yet by Chapter 1149 (which isn't that long after Chapter 1140 mind you) things changed.

No one wants to speculate?

It wouldn't make sense, but it being cross guild would be so Oda lol, something you would never expect

but its probably dragon, with blackbeard on pursuit.

Vegy posted...

It wouldn't make sense, but it being cross guild would be so Oda lol, something you would never expect

but its probably dragon, with blackbeard on pursuit.

Cross Guild huh? Wow. Last we saw of them Buggy was listening to Vegapunk's broadcast and said the world was theirs. Before that, Buggy wanted the organization to go after the One Piece to the ire of Mohawk/Crocodile. It is difficult to see them involved at this point, but who knows.

Blackbeard I thought would be involved with trying to get the Celestial Weapons about now (Wano/Fishman Island beware). Granted, he has pulled nonsensical swerves before, ending up at Amazon Lily of all places. Who knows. It is possible the WG told Blackbeard to eat s*** for trying to use Garp as a bargaining chip (the top brass probably didn't like him much anyway + he betrayed immediately when given the Warlord position) and Blackbeard did something in retaliation.

The Revolutionaries do seem like the most likely candidate. Just...I thought they were waiting until the Holy Knights make their move as the Revs right now are focused on starving the Holy Land vs burning everything. Plus, Sabo and his band were just in the Holy Land. Maybe something caused events to change?

Final bump. Will suck having to wait another week for One Piece.