Current Events > Feels like nintendo is the only console where the revision is actually worse

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It kinda feels like with Nintendo, the console revisions actually get worse, not better. Wii revision removed gamecube support and the gamecube controller ports (considering it was basically a perfect gamecube player, this was a shame)

And with the Switch the budget switch lite version has none detachable joycons, among other lost features.

I don't think I've seen a console from them where they do the Sony thing where the revision or second edition is better, like the ps2 slim, or the ps4 pro.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/54dadd8a.png
The first revision had a high-class tier DAC only found in expensive Hifi sets.

2DS lol

They have a mixed history.

GameBoy Light, GBA SP, DS Lite, New 3DS (+XL)/New 2DS XL, Switch V2, Switch OLED, NES 101, SNES 101 are all improvements over the original in some way.

saspa posted...

It kinda feels like with Nintendo, the console revisions actually get worse, not better. Wii revision removed gamecube support and the gamecube controller ports (considering it was basically a perfect gamecube player, this was a shame)

And with the Switch the budget switch lite version has none detachable joycons, among other lost features.

I don't think I've seen a console from them where they do the Sony thing where the revision or second edition is better, like the ps2 slim, or the ps4 pro.

You're comparing two completely different things. The Wii and Switch things weren't supposed to be revisions or seen as improvements, they were cheaper models, while the normal were still available. They cut things out of the Wii Mini and the Switch Lite specifically to provide cheaper options.

Meanwhile, as for a second/better edition, Switch had Switch OLED.

saspa posted...

I don't think I've seen a console from them where they do the Sony thing where the revision or second edition is better, like the ps2 slim, or the ps4 pro.

The PS3 constantly removed features with their revisions. The biggest being PS2 game support.

That final Wii revision was ass. What were they thinking? Worthless piece of plastic, I doubt that thing sold at all.

I can't remember what the NES and SNES revisions removed from the original versions, but I thought they both had better cartridge slot pins by default. Like many with a OG NES our's slot eventually went to shit and so when my brother bought the slim NES every single game we had worked on that with no problems. Same thing went for the tinier SNES model that came out later in it's life.

Bass posted...

The PS3 constantly removed features with their revisions. The biggest being PS2 game support.

To be fair, PS2 game support barely worked. There was a sizeable official Sony list of games it didn't work on, and even some that Sony just didn't know about.

I'm only just now learning that there were multiple Wii models.

HashtagSEP posted...

You're comparing two completely different things. The Wii and Switch things weren't revisions, they were cheaper models, while the normal were still available.

Are you sure? Can't speak for Switch, but I remember normal Wii no longer being sold. I specifically remember sweating a bit when I couldn't find a new Wii since my old one couldn't read discs or double sided discs properly anymore, but I went to this alleyway electronics shop and they fixed my Wii for me so that I was able to play Xenoblade.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

To be fair, PS2 game support barely worked. There was a sizeable official Sony list of games it didn't work on, and even some that Sony just didn't know about.

Even for the first version that literally has PS2 hardware in it? I know the software emulation in the 80GB models definitely had issues that the original model did not. Ran into that with Tales of the Abyss.

Bass posted...

Even for the first version that literally has PS2 hardware in it? I know the software emulation in the 80GB models definitely had issues that the original model did not. Ran into that with Tales of the Abyss.

That much I can't tell you. I forgot they even had that model.

But yeah, I had the MGS4 PS3 and it ran into that exact problem in Tales of the Abyss, which was one of the games Sony didn't have listed. Can't move and enemies turning in circles in Choral Castle.

HashtagSEP posted...

The Wii and Switch things weren't supposed to be revisions or seen as improvements, they were cheaper models, while the normal were still available.

TC is referring to the Family Edition Wii that was advertised as laying horizontally. That version (different from the Wii Mini) did replace the original Wii and it cut GameCube support and ports out.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

To be fair, PS2 game support barely worked. There was a sizeable official Sony list of games it didn't work on, and even some that Sony just didn't know about.

That was only for the half emulation based BC models of the PS3 that came out with the 80 GB metal gear solid 4 PS3. I believe EU region in it's entirety only ever had the half-emulation based PS3s right from the very beginning. (I might be wrong on this one, but I think this is what happened for EU).

If you had the 20 GB PS3 model or 60 GB PS3 model from NA or JP, these had the actual PS2 hardware built into it and it ran every single one of my 100+ PS2 games I had at the time. Including the games that flat out didn't work on the emulation PS3s like tales of legendia. (Which just had a jacked up screen when played on the 80 GB model PS3s), or the games that had certain problems on emulation PS3s like tales of the abyss' loading problem at that certain section.

The real problem with the 20 and 60 GB full-BC PS3s is these shits have a god-awful life-span thanks to the YLOD. Like these things are just as bad as red ring 360s, but the PS3's YLOD problems managed to hold out a bit longer than sony managed to avoid major heat about it.

I had to pay to send my YLOD'd 60GB full-BC model to sony like, 3 times total......after I got it back for that 3rd time I am actually too afraid to use the thing, =/ Its part of the reason why I never played my PS3 nowhere near as much as my then slim 250GB xbox 360 because I never bothered to buy a slim or super slim PS3 to replace my original one.

saspa posted...

Are you sure? Can't speak for Switch, but I remember normal Wii no longer being sold. I specifically remember sweating a bit when I couldn't find a new Wii since my old one couldn't read discs or double sided discs properly anymore, but I went to this alleyway electronics shop and they fixed my Wii for me so that I was able to play Xenoblade.

The Wii only stopped production a year after the Wii U was released. They did keep the Wii Mini for a few years beyond that, but that's otherwise pretty normal, especially since Wii U was backwards compatible.

snake_5036 posted...

TC is referring to the Family Edition Wii that was advertised as laying horizontally. That version (different from the Wii Mini) did replace the original Wii and it cut GameCube support and ports out.

Wii Family and original Wii were both available until October 2013. Wii Mini's the one that "replaced" them, since it kept being made when the others stopped production, but production on the other two didn't stop until a year after Wii U was released.

EDIT: It's possible it varies by country, since Japan didn't get the Family Edition at all, for example, and it's possible stores may have started stocking more Family Editions than the original, but the original Wii was still being produced until both stopped October 2013.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

2DS lol

I actually like the 2DS for what it is, a cheaper alternative for those who wanted to play 3DS but didn't care for the 3D capabilities. Now the new 3DS on the other hand, that's a different story.

Mad-Dogg posted...

I can't remember what the NES and SNES revisions removed from the original versions, but I thought they both had better cartridge slot pins by default. Like many with a OG NES our's slot eventually went to shit and so when my brother bought the slim NES every single game we had worked on that with no problems. Same thing went for the tinier SNES model that came out later in it's life.

The Nes one removed the region check.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

2DS lol

Considering that I had multiple DS/3DS systems rendered inoperable from broken hinges over the years (and I've seen dozens of posts online about other people's DS/3DS systems meeting the same tragic fate) the 2DS losing the clamshell design was a godsend. The one I have has lasted over 10 years and I still play it to this day. It's a shame, because the GBA SP didn't have nearly as bad an issue with broken hinges compared to the DS/3DS. I never had a GBA SP hinge break, and I can't recall seeing a post online about one either.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

To be fair, PS2 game support barely worked. There was a sizeable official Sony list of games it didn't work on, and even some that Sony just didn't know about.

it worked on every ps2 game just fine since it was literally just ps2 hardware inside.

Foppe posted...

The Nes one removed the region check.

Thats actually cool. I wish I knew that back in the 90s when I was checking out a bunch of random cheap NES games from online stores like funcoland and whatnot.

I was going over this console revision list and actually forgot the SNES' revision (called the SNES mini in some places) had a overall better picture, with a punchier, sharper image. Only a small handful of games had these minor visual glitches that would be on the top of the screen because of nintendo's internal chip changes, but honestly I personally never noticed any of they were there back when I gamed on this smaller SNES.

https://consolemods.org/wiki/SNES:Games_with_Issues_on_1CHIP_Consoles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lm0mhOhtzM

The PS5 Pro can't play physical games or DVDs/Blu-rays

The fact that the Switch Lite was incompatable with the docks still boggles my fucking mind.

Worst of all were the Nintendrones defending it.

TMOG posted...

The PS5 Pro can't play physical games or DVDs/Blu-rays

A problem that is easily solved for 79.99 if people wanted to do that. (Also the CMOS battery thing that some people was worried about for console longevity purposes was actually corrected with the PS5 pro's release, so that is a interesting piece of trivia, lol).

Its a shame you can't just give a switch lite back the original switch functions including the important actual dock in that same way.

SwayM posted...

The fact that the Switch Lite was incompatable with the docks still boggles my fucking mind.

Worst of all were the Nintendrones defending it.

Not working with the dock is literally why it was $100 cheaper. It's a strictly handheld only option. Why would you expect it to work with the dock?

I'm pretty sure it physically can't even fit in the dock, so they would've had to make its own dock for it. And then they would've had to add that chip back in. And then it's literally just a Switch.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

To be fair, PS2 game support barely worked. There was a sizeable official Sony list of games it didn't work on, and even some that Sony just didn't know about.

PS2 support was absolutely fantastic in the original 20 and 60 GB models. It was the revision after that which removed some PS2 hardware where compatibility fell off a cliff.

HashtagSEP posted...

Not working with the dock is literally why it was $100 cheaper. It's a strictly handheld only option. Why would you expect it to work with the dock?

I'm pretty sure it physically can't even fit in the dock, so they would've had to make its own dock for it. And then they would've had to add that chip back in. And then it's literally just a Switch.

Why would Nintendo design a smart ecosystem so that families who already own a Switch and all the accessories could buy another cheaper switch for their kids for example, and still get use out of the things they already own. Why would anything be smartly designed and just work natively. I do not know. Nintendo decisions.

HashtagSEP posted...

You're comparing two completely different things. The Wii and Switch things weren't supposed to be revisions or seen as improvements, they were cheaper models, while the normal were still available. They cut things out of the Wii Mini and the Switch Lite specifically to provide cheaper options.

This. They didn't replace the originals; they were more affordable options.

Remember when Sony released a PS2 revision that couldn't play some PS2 games?

SwayM posted...

Why would Nintendo design a smart ecosystem so that families who already own a Switch and all the accessories could buy another cheaper switch for their kids for example, and still get use out of the things they already own. Why would anything be smartly designed and just work natively. I do not know. Nintendo decisions.

Switch Lite exists as a cheaper, handheld only option for people that don't want to play on the TV.

For what you want to work, it'd have to be increased back to the same size as the original switch, so that it can fit in the original dock, and have the display chip put back in. So it'd literally, quite literally, just be a Switch that you can't take the Joycons off of, and would not be any cheaper, and is no longer as portable since it's bigger, again.

I think you just want to be upset for the sake of being upset, because "I want it to be the exact same as a normal Switch and do literally everything the normal Switch does, but I want it to still be $100 cheaper than a normal Switch" isn't even remotely a reasonable argument.

Mad-Dogg posted...

A problem that is easily solved for 79.99 if people wanted to do that. (Also the CMOS battery thing that some people was worried about for console longevity purposes was actually corrected with the PS5 pro's release, so that is a interesting piece of trivia, lol).

Its a shame you can't just give a switch lite back the original switch functions including the important actual dock in that same way.

So... Sony releases a new version of their console with less functionality at a higher price point, and that's fine because you can pay even more money to restore that lost functionality.

Nintendo releases a new version console with less functionality at a lower price point, and that's not fine because you can't pay even more money to restore that lost functionality.

At least with the Switch Lite, it lowers the cost for people who didn't want to play on their TV in the first place and just wanted a pure handheld experience. The PS5 Pro just removed the disc drive and then sold it as an expensive peripheral because they knew it was something people were going to want. If Nintendo had done the exact same thing, people would be crying about how greedy they are.

Mad-Dogg posted...

A problem that is easily solved for 79.99 if people wanted to do that. (Also the CMOS battery thing that some people was worried about for console longevity purposes was actually corrected with the PS5 pro's release, so that is a interesting piece of trivia, lol).

Its a shame you can't just give a switch lite back the original switch functions including the important actual dock in that same way.

...But the PS5 Pro costs more money with less features, and your solution is spending even more money to add back features they took out.

That's not really comparable to a Switch Lite, which has less features but costs less money.

HashtagSEP posted...

...But the PS5 Pro costs more money with less features, and your solution is spending even more money to add back features they took out.

That's not really comparable to a Switch Lite, which has less features but costs less money.

They took out the blu-ray drive to make the pro cost less money than it would have had with one by default.

Understanding why they did that still doesn't make me actually want to pretend that is even a good thing, but its still a problem one at least has the option of dealing with.

TMOG posted...

So... Sony releases a new version of their console with less functionality at a higher price point, and that's fine because you can pay even more money to restore that lost functionality.

Nintendo releases a new version console with less functionality at a lower price point, and that's not fine because you can't pay even more money to restore that lost functionality.

At least with the Switch Lite, it lowers the cost for people who didn't want to play on their TV in the first place and just wanted a pure handheld experience. The PS5 Pro just removed the disc drive and then sold it as an expensive peripheral because they knew it was something people were going to want. If Nintendo had done the exact same thing, people would be crying about how greedy they are.

The only reason I'm not as hard on the PS5 pro not coming with a disc drive already is because players have that ability to add one on. That is why I said its a problem you can get around for spending 79.99. That option doesn't even exist at all if one wanted to get a slim switch but later on in a year or so decide that maybe they would want a switch dock after all and thus it would have been nice to expand that with a add-on switch lite dock at least (since you can't remove the built in joycons).

Now do I actually want to praise sony for making that choice and spending the fee to get a PS5 pro along with a added disc drive? Of course not. No one in their right mind would actually praise needing to spend more money than what they need.

The lower cost thing and "giving players a choice" is the official reasoning sony did what they did with the PS5 pro because of them adding a bit more TB space to the internal drive and the improved wi-fi card built into it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/1fregdl/ps5_pro_doesnt_come_with_a_disc_drive_because/

I still think sony should have ate the cost and had it at 700 dollars with a disc drive.

Mad-Dogg posted...

They took out the blu-ray drive to make the pro cost less money than it would have had with one by default.

Understanding why they did that still doesn't make me actually want to pretend that is even a good thing, but its still a problem one at least has the option of dealing with.

The only reason I'm not as hard on the PS5 pro not coming with a disc drive already is because players have that ability to add one on. That is why I said its a problem you can get around for spending 79.99. That option doesn't even exist at all if one wanted to get a slim switch but later on in a year or so decide that maybe they would want a switch dock after all and thus it would have been nice to expand that with a add-on switch lite dock at least (since you can't remove the built in joycons).

Now do I actually want to praise sony for making that choice and spending the fee to get a PS5 pro along with a added disc drive? Of course not. No one in their right mind would actually praise needing to spend more money than what they need.

The lower cost thing and "giving players a choice" is the official reasoning sony did what they did with the PS5 pro because of them adding a bit more TB space to the internal drive and the improved wi-fi card built into it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/1fregdl/ps5_pro_doesnt_come_with_a_disc_drive_because/

I still think sony should have ate the cost and had it at 700 dollars with a disc drive.

I get your point, but I still think it's a bit different. The whole point of the Switch Lite was to take the Switch and make it more affordable than the normal Switch for people that may not use the docking feature. They created it with that in mind, missing things that can't just be added back in, in order to provide that cheaper alternative.

PS5 Pro is a bit different in that it's not a cheaper alternative, it's an already more expensive alternative, so while the reason they took stuff out was to bring the price point down, it's still a more expensive alternative, and having to pay even more to add stuff back in that they took out just feels wrong.

Feels like nintendo is the only console where the revision is actually worse

I feel Sony is generally worse in this regard

HashtagSEP posted...

I get your point, but I still think it's a bit different. The whole point of the Switch Lite was to take the Switch and make it more affordable than the normal Switch for people that may not use the docking feature. They created it with that in mind, missing things that can't just be added back in, in order to provide that cheaper alternative.

PS5 Pro is a bit different in that it's not a cheaper alternative, it's an already more expensive alternative, so while the reason they took stuff out was to bring the price point down, it's still a more expensive alternative, and having to pay even more to add stuff back in that they took out just feels wrong.

Yeah I think that is totally fair. Despite that reason sony gave I think we all know that in truth they also want to nudge playstation players even more towards that all-digital future. A future they would definitely be salivating to finally make happen.

Mad-Dogg posted...

Yeah I think that is totally fair. Despite that reason sony gave I think we all know that in truth they also want to nudge playstation players even more towards that all-digital future. A future they would definitely be salivating to finally make happen.

"Nudge" is a pretty weak word to use considering that they basically killed off the Vita by trying to do away with physical media. Sony is practically putting all of their eggs in the digital basket every chance they get.

ellis123 posted...

"Nudge" is a pretty weak word to use considering that they basically killed off the Vita by trying to do away with physical media. Sony is practically putting all of their eggs in the digital basket every chance they get.

Push. Shove. Boot. Toss. River city ransom body pick up and toss down a construction pit. Whatever word you want to use that is more brutal/blatant, I don't mind/care lol.

The vita died via having shitty 3rd party support, shitty....sony support with their own games, and shitty proprietary memory cards. Doesn't really make sense to blame this one on a digital push considering vast majority of it's library was still releasing on carts when it was officially supported, and even the last bit of limited run games releases was ordering vita carts long after sony theirselves actually bothered with them.

The blatant digital push is coming from the recent line of consoles having disc-less releases.

ellis123 posted...

"Nudge" is a pretty weak word to use considering that they basically killed off the Vita by trying to do away with physical media. Sony is practically putting all of their eggs in the digital basket every chance they get.

Crippling lack of storage made that impossible. (64GB was the largest memory card, and even then the size didn't 'officially' launch in the west)

Mad-Dogg posted...

I can't remember what the NES and SNES revisions removed from the original versions, but I thought they both had better cartridge slot pins by default. Like many with a OG NES our's slot eventually went to shit and so when my brother bought the slim NES every single game we had worked on that with no problems. Same thing went for the tinier SNES model that came out later in it's life.

The top-loading NES lost the composite output of the original, so you had to use RF. I was considering getting one not too long ago, but decided against it upon learning that, as it means I'd have to run my NES through my VCR, and I'd rather avoid that if I can.

HashtagSEP posted...

Switch Lite exists as a cheaper, handheld only option for people that don't want to play on the TV.

Thats the use case its pigeon held into because Nintendo gave it as little functionality as they possibly could.

You can search online and theres plenty of people trying to connect it to their dock / tv and even accessories advertising this functionality.

Dont act like you cant understand why people would want this functionality.

For what you want to work, it'd have to be increased back to the same size as the original switch, so that it can fit in the original dock, and have the display chip put back in. So it'd literally, quite literally, just be a Switch that you can't take the Joycons off of, and would not be any cheaper, and is no longer as portable since it's bigger, again.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/53523965.jpg

It absolutely doesnt need to be the same size as the original. It needs to be just a hair wider so the sticks dont get in the way? so so maybe dont design it that way in the first place and creating your stupid own problems.

Interestingly enough

https://youtu.be/2kxzlN2aAaI?si=B1_98UMNq1ygxdjN

at about 2:00 in he explains the original switch has a notch built into the back that lets its slide into the USBC of the dock. The Lite still has this notch.

Was Nintendo planning for docking capabilities at some point? Maybe they scrapped it when they realized they fucked up the dimensions and found out after the fact that it wouldnt fit the dock. Seems like something they would do.

He also goes on to explain the USBC port still has advanced functionality but just not video out.

You cant tell me that the consumer is getting $100 of savings because they removed the video out from a USBC port.

I think you just want to be upset for the sake of being upset, because "I want it to be the exact same as a normal Switch and do literally everything the normal Switch does, but I want it to still be $100 cheaper than a normal Switch" isn't even remotely a reasonable argument.

A better company would create a product that worked within their own ecosystem. This is just moronic. And their fans still defend it wildly enough.

saspa posted...

And with the Switch the budget switch lite version has none detachable joycons, among other lost features.

The actual revision for the Switch, the OLED, felt way better, at least portably. Better screen, bigger screen, and the "kickstand" was actually the entire width of the console, making it so it stood up better both horizontally AND vertically.

SwayM posted...

Was Nintendo planning for docking capabilities at some point? Maybe they scrapped it when they realized they fucked up the dimensions and found out after the fact that it wouldnt fit the dock. Seems like something they would do.

How does that seem like something Nintendo would do?

rick_alverado posted...

How does that seem like something Nintendo would do?

joy cons, kickstand, the dock scratching the screen. The switch has been poorly designed from the jump pimp

SwayM posted...

joy cons, kickstand, the dock scratching the screen. The switch has been poorly designed from the jump pimp

In what ways are those examples of them planning to do something, and then not planning for it?

Oh I just think theyve made a lot of very poor design decisions as of late. Its not that deep dude.

SwayM posted...

Maybe they scrapped it when they realized they fucked up the dimensions and found out after the fact that it wouldnt fit the dock.

Yeah man, companies routinely spend billions of dollars in R&D and forget the dimensions of their own products within 2 years of launching them.

Some of you literally just say anything.

snake_5036 posted...

Yeah man, companies routinely spend billions of dollars in R&D and forget the dimensions of their own products within 2 years of launching them.

Some of you literally just say anything.

They spend billions in R&D to design a dock that scratches the screen of the console its docking. A kickstand that doesnt really hold the weight of its product and joycon sticks that drift after only months of use.

Then they put a notch onto their redesigned system that would indicate docking functionality but somehow thats completely missing and cant really be explained why the notch would still be there in the final design.

Yall will just defend anything huh

SwayM posted...

A better company would create a product that worked within their own ecosystem. This is just moronic. And their fans still defend it wildly enough.

You still haven't yet answered how "I want the exact same thing as a normal Switch, but I want it for $100 less" makes sense at all.

Why don't you want to accept that every single product doesn't have to be made for you? They made a cheaper handheld only option for people that didn't want to play it on their TV, and wanted a smaller, more portable device. You didn't want that, cool. Move on.