Current Events > Metroid Prime 4 is ruined, isn't it?

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All those years for nothing...

Why/how? I intend to get it one way or another.

-Unowninator- posted...

Why/how? I intend to get it one way or another.

Open World

Pretty foolish to think that a Metroid Prime game release in 2025 wasnt going to have some open world aspect

like are you familiar with this series at all lmao

I hope the gameplay is really good because the visuals as a whole look pretty underwhelming. I remember booting up MP1 for the first time on GC and that shit blew me away.

it's looking bad, but i'm sure we'll get more info

gotta be honest, if it's just 3 again with motion control psychic gimmick and pointless open world sections, i'm passing

I dont think this means its open world. It could just has open areas made specifically for vehicle combat, just like Twilight Princess. Thats not considered open world.

I've been reading that only applies to one large area (like a central hub). Presumably the rest will be the more tightly focused exploration we are familiar with.

Still annoying, but not a nail in the coffin, exactly.

Were people this negative when Dread was releasing? Im shocked to hear that so many are losing faith in MP4 when we don't know everything still.

Do we need a Direct for MP4 to ease some minds? Ah who am I kidding? That still wouldn't be enough for everyone.

Personally I'm liking what I'm seeing but then again I have a more open mind than most people so I might just be easily pleased

At least Metroid Prime 1 is still good.

I thought it looked pretty good.

Okay, fine, so I'm not COMPLETELY disheartened by what I saw. More bewildered than anything. Not sure when the idea of putting Samus on a bike would have been the right call but if this is one of those "let 'em cook" kind of thing then I can be patient and see if there's a method to the madness.

I do lean towards this changing the way the environment is designed and potentially in a negative way by Metroid standards, however. Can't shake that sensation.

I rolled my eyes at the motorcycle. But I'll still be buying it.

sephiroth068 posted...

Were people this negative when Dread was releasing? Im shocked to hear that so many are losing faith in MP4 when we don't know everything still.

Do we need a Direct for MP4 to ease some minds? Ah who am I kidding? That still wouldn't be enough for everyone.

Personally I'm liking what I'm seeing but then again I have a more open mind than most people so I might just be easily pleased

My man, we're on GameFaqs, of course people are negative on this, even more so when they introduce an element that could easily be badly implemented.

This is definitely a let em cook moment.

Never in a hundred years would I have asked for Samus on a motorcycle but now Im interested to see where this is going

I think they ended up in a dammed if you do dammed if you don't situation.

Dammed because it's also on NS1 which is probably going to be a poorly running version of the game. There'd be backlash if they made it NS2 only at this point.

The NS2 version will basically end up being a NS game with more stable performance and probably underwhelming as a result

lorddrakath1522 posted...

My man, we're on GameFaqs, of course people are negative on this, even more so when they introduce an element that could easily be badly implemented.

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. Im more surprised at how quickly anticipation and reception for this game has seemingly gone from positive to negative relatively quickly

I'm so beyond hyped the motorcycle is sick as fuck

Prime was always semi open.

My hope is that the bike has a radar of sorts to detect features of interest at range. I really don't want to have to pixel hunt through a featureless landscape for the one missile expansion I missed.

<_<

That could be an upgrade actually.

It looks pretty bad lol.

Verdekal posted...

Prime was always semi open.

that's not the issue, the issue for me is that i'm predicting stretches of nothing except for some enemies to pop up and annoy you as you just drive from one area to another for no reason but i guess ooooh and ahhhh over a motorcycle

Man the whole thing surrounding the bike was stupid, what the fuck were they thinking? That shit doesn't belong in Metroid.

NGL, I thought it just looked like more of the same from the original announcement trailer and showcase. I was hyped because Metroid is my favorite Nintendo IP, but nothing really interested me right off the bat.

I'd prefer something new to add to it.

Hayame_Zero posted...

NGL, I thought it just looked like more of the same from the original announcement trailer and showcase. I was hyped because Metroid is my favorite Nintendo IP, but nothing really interested me right off the bat.

I'd prefer something new to add to it.

I guess you missed the entirely NEW bike shown off eh?

Hasn't Metroid basically been "open world" since its invention?

Like... what is a Metroidvania if not a 2d Open World?

xlr_big-coop posted...

Man the whole thing surrounding the bike was stupid, what the fuck were they thinking? That shit doesn't belong in Metroid.

Man the whole First Person Shooter thing is stupid. That shit doesnt belong in Metroid.

is what they were saying back in 2000, and we all now how that turned out.

sephiroth068 posted...

I guess you missed the entirely NEW bike shown off eh?

i'm not really interested in tacked on gimmicks. and i mean it's "new" for metroid i guess, but... ehh

SAlYAN posted...

Hasn't Metroid basically been "open world" since its invention?

Like... what is a Metroidvania if not a 2d Open World?

Not really. It's somewhat nonlinear and the Prime games have larger open areas, not on the level that was shown today.

viewmaster_pi posted...

i'm not really interested in tacked on gimmicks. and i mean it's "new" for metroid i guess, but... ehh

Then I'm confused by what you mean then. What new can be added that isnt seen as a gimmick?

Honestly some people are acting like this is the Batman Arkham Knight batmobile segments where 70% of the game will be only in the motorcycle or something. All we know about the motorcycle so far is that:
1. It exists
2. You use it to traverse what looks like an open desert
3. You can fight on it
4. You can dismount it seemingly at any point

sephiroth068 posted...

Were people this negative when Dread was releasing? Im shocked to hear that so many are losing faith in MP4 when we don't know everything still.

Do we need a Direct for MP4 to ease some minds? Ah who am I kidding? That still wouldn't be enough for everyone.

Personally I'm liking what I'm seeing but then again I have a more open mind than most people so I might just be easily pleased

To be fair, Dread didn't have as troubled a production.

Evolician posted...

I dont think this means its open world. It could just has open areas made specifically for vehicle combat, just like Twilight Princess. Thats not considered open world.

Yeah plenty of games have open world vehicle sections without basing the entire game around it. Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy, Gears 5, many Ratchet & Clank games, etc. I'm not sure I'm thrilled about the bike sections, but I'm not overly worried they'll bleed over into the rest of the design.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

To be fair, Dread didn't have as troubled a production.

I suppose that is true, but looking back i am remembering lots of people being upset that Mercury Steam were making that game since they were the ones that were behind Metroid Samus Returns and some people didnt like that one (I personally loved it)

Then those people were immediately proven wrong when Dread came out to a smashing success

sephiroth068 posted...

Then I'm confused by what you mean then. What new can be added that isnt seen as a gimmick?

Honestly some people are acting like this is the Batman Arkham Knight batmobile segments where 70% of the game will be only in the motorcycle or something.

Even the Batmobile complaint in Arkham Knight gets way overblown because it was really frontloaded and was used in some key boss fights later on. In terms of actual quantity it wasn't as bad as people say.

myusernameislame posted...

Even the Batmobile complaint in Arkham Knight gets way overblown because it was really frontloaded and was used in some key boss fights later on. In terms of actual quantity it wasn't as bad as people say.

Oh I agree. I thought the Batmobile segments were fun

sephiroth068 posted...

All we know about the motorcycle so far is that:
1. It exists
2. You use it to traverse what looks like an open desert
3. You can fight on it
4. You can dismount it seemingly at any point

i'm just saying nothing i've seen seems engaging or meaningful or exciting, and as an aside, the choice of vehicle is corny to me.

like, to what end is the motorcycle a means? if they have a good answer as more info comes out, i'll listen and reevaluate accordingly

SAlYAN posted...

Hasn't Metroid basically been "open world" since its invention?

Like... what is a Metroidvania if not a 2d Open World?

I would say they are closer to opposites. Metroid has traces of non-linearity, sure, but exploration is still largely focused. Compared the sprawling freedom and over-saturation of surface area that is generally associated with open-world types.

A better example of 2D open world is probably... top-down Zelda.

viewmaster_pi posted...

i'm just saying nothing i've seen seems engaging or meaningful or exciting, and as an aside, the choice of vehicle is corny to me.

like, to what end is the motorcycle a means? if they have a good answer as more info comes out, i'll listen and reevaluate accordingly

All that is fair, but you didnt answer my initial question? What would you like to see then? What would be "new" to you that is good?

sephiroth068 posted...

All that is fair, but you didnt answer my initial question? What would you like to see then? What would be "new" to you that is good?

i don't know if that's really a fair question to expect an answer to. i didn't expect one thing and get another, or say i have better ideas, i'm just reacting to what i'm shown

viewmaster_pi posted...

i don't know if that's really a fair question to expect an answer to. i didn't expect one thing and get another, or say i have better ideas, i'm just reacting to what i'm shown

Sorry I'm not trying to pick on you. I guess my confusion comes from people complaining the game looks bad or mid and then saying that the game isnt showing anything innovative, or new, or mind blowing or whatever while not elaborating any further. I figured you might have something to add since you pointed out there was "nothing new" shown since clearly the bike isnt doing anything for you while it is for me.

Not saying you're doing the complaining mind you, other than the "nothing new" comment. Collectively lots of people are doing that and I just don't get it. Its just weird to me when it's pretty clear to me that they are keeping a lot of things close to their chest before release.

I guess i just trust Retro Studios enough to know what they are doing since they've always put out bangers

i hear you, i didn't think it came off as picking on me or combative or anything. the truth is, i myself am not sure what i'd want to see added that would mesh well with the established gameplay. i like progression systems and stuff, RPG elements, but that's not something i'd say should be shoehorned into the metroid prime formula

now a standalone metroid RPG on the other hand, i'd like

Your mistake was thinking a Metroid Prime game would be good.

im still hyped for this game and i think the motocycle looks cool but im worried about being required to use it to traverse the open area

if it was just for small sections and was basically another power up that would be fine

but based on the trailer it dont seem to be that

as for this idea of metroidvanias being openworld

no no they are not

an open world means you can basically go where ever whenever

a metroidvania is about having a limited toolkit at the start and slowly expanding that tool kit to traverse more and more areas that you could not before

in short

a metroidvania is explore abit see a door that looks different than other doors but you can not open it

then later you get a upgrade to leave the room with that upgrade you have to open a door just like the one you could not before and your new upgrade opens that door

you then can go back to that old door and enter a new area

or perhaps get a energy tank or missile expansion or maybe a different power up

sephiroth068 posted...

All that is fair, but you didnt answer my initial question? What would you like to see then? What would be "new" to you that is good?

I think there's just not enough information out there on how these new mechanics will affect the game. Not saying they need to show everything, but more than the basics. Like the psychic stuff they showed was pretty lackluster, and we don't know enough about the biking to see how it'll affect the flow of exploration.

Normally, a brief Treehouse after the Direct would explain this, like we saw more footage of the games intro and what they showed was cool.

A solid middle ground for the bike would be linear paths between the regions similar to the lines in Elysia in 3.

reminds me of MKW

they should do this in all their games now

give us the motorcycle pokemon and free roam in Legends Z-A

"mario, hellllllp!" *peach is whisked away by bowser on his motorcycle*

"hi mario! my name's Bikey, let's go save the princess, hop on!"

"YAHOOOOO" *mario jumps on motorcycle with eyes*

narrator: explore a VaSt OpEn WoRLd in this BRAND NEW adventure across the mushVROOM kingdom!

I just feel like maybe try to do something with the Speed Booster instead of a motorcycle. Mounted combat is very rarely good.

The bike better have a Speed Booster upgrade at least.

viewmaster_pi posted...

"mario, hellllllp!" *peach is whisked away by bowser on his motorcycle*

"hi mario! my name's Bikey, let's go save the princess, hop on!"

"YAHOOOOO" *mario jumps on motorcycle with eyes*

narrator: explore a VaSt OpEn WoRLd in this BRAND NEW adventure across the mushVROOM kingdom!

Are you implying that also doesn't sound awesome?

I dont think that means anything. All we know is there is a single big open area. Everything else looks very much like Metroid Prime of old.

viewmaster_pi posted...

"mario, hellllllp!" *peach is whisked away by bowser on his motorcycle*

"hi mario! my name's Bikey, let's go save the princess, hop on!"

"YAHOOOOO" *mario jumps on motorcycle with eyes*

narrator: explore a VaSt OpEn WoRLd in this BRAND NEW adventure across the mushVROOM kingdom!

What did he mean by this