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Voyager. No change, no development, no growth, no stakes. Oh well.

After DS9 ended, one of the writers went to Voyager. He didn't stay long after he had asked how to write Torres and never got a real answer. Plus there were separate writing teams that never communicated, hence why characters could be written so differently week to week.

After DS9 ended, one of the writers went to Voyager. He didn't stay long after he had asked how to write Torres and never got a real answer. Plus there were separate writing teams that never communicated, hence why characters could be written so differently week to week.

They watched him beg & did nothing.

See also: Twovix, the sequel.

Overall, there's an easy solution. Fuse all crewmembers together until the result is no longer sentient. Separation becomes the most ethical and logical choice.

which episodes did he write

Mandatory Voyager post:

https://youtu.be/PIGxMENwq1k

• Killing one person (who shouldn't exist) to save two
• The crew needs Tuvok and Neelix/ they're traumitized by Tuvix's presence.
• Their families need them
• "The needs of the many (two + the crew) outweigh the needs of the one (Tuvix).

Honestly this never bugged me >_>

We don't see EVERYTHING Voyager does. It's not unreasonable that they bought or made more torpedos on their journey in quite dull trade exchanges with friendly aliens or uneventual resource grinding on unhabbited planets.

Plus there's the whole Goo Crew of Voyager and the show never says what epsiodes followed the goo crew and what followed the real crew. So for all we know, some of those episodes might be an entirely different ship with an entirely different compliment of torpedos.

They also never showed Harry Kim taking a dump but I don't think that means he never took one for 8 years.

The series opened with them explicitly stating that they have a limited supply, listing their inventory, and warning that they had no way to replace them, and then promptly and completely forgot that for the rest of the series. And its not like they started uaiang alien torpedos, they kept on using Federation photons.

Plus, it was provisioned for what was anticipated as being a fairly short cruise hunting for a single ship in a specific sector. By all accounts, a massive and unplanned 7-year trek across tens of thousands of light years of uncharted space shouldve long since depleted their resources, resulted in widespread system failures, and a constant need to re-provision and adapt the ship.

And yet, aside from a throwaway two-parter that was promptly forgotten, that never happened other than specific McMuffins for individual threats. The ship was in near perfect working order, everyone was living a life of luxury, and they had the wherewithal to build not one but two super advanced shuttlecraft, all while being able to maintain a moral high ground. They did a worse job accounting for limited supplies than DS9 did, despite DS9 being on an active Federation supply and armament route.

The premise of the show was a previously post-scarcity ship suddenly finds itself without ability to resupply with Federation material, and shouldve been featuring the ship slowly breaking down, getting jury rigged, completely changing the appearance and capabilities of the ship with alien tech, and the crew getting increasingly desperate. Instead, even TNG devoted more time to ship maintenance than VOY, despite Enterprise being specifically provisioned for multiyear cruises and closer to Federation resupply.

Thats underselling it. They said 38 and used about 120. But the reason why I posted it was to highlight the shows overall laziness to stick to their own established plot lines. Nobody forced them to list a number, state an inability to replace them, and then use 3x that amount and even willingly use multiple for inane reasons. Same with randos showing up late in the run, they just didnt care to keep any sort of internal consistency.

The time travel angle handles a few for sure, but the finale manufacturing still disregarded that Voyager wasnt a factory ship. The finale was just another lazy slop job on their part to get the ship home suddenly and they didnt really care about the idea of completely retrofitting their ship with new armor and weapons on the fly being a laughable proposition.

Were kind of talking past each other, the point of your complaint and my complaint is the same, the writers were just lazy and constantly took narrative shortcuts.

Mandatory Voyager post:

https://youtu.be/PIGxMENwq1k

What dilemma? Spock said it best himself: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Tuvok and Neelix, as well as the Voyager crew, were much better off with the outcome. Janeway needed her tactical officer in order to pull off her crazy stunts, and Neelix is the best damn morale officer the fleet has ever seen!

I'm assuming this is referring to Ronald D. Moore, who wrote Survival Instinct and co-wrote Barge of the Dead.

The crew needs Tuvok and Neelix/ they're traumitized by Tuvix's presence.

Which frankly is probably just an indication of how Neelix does absolutely fucking nothing but hey.

Cooking is not a difficult skill to master, the ship has dozens of ensigns onboard whose only job seems to be walking around the halls. Have one of them read How to cook for 40 humans!, plus they'd probably not be comfortable creeping on underage people.

Janeway made the right and morally correct decision. Tuvix had no right to exist. Sorry, them's the facts.

Tuvix had more of a right to life than Neelix.

Neelix hate is so tired lmao. I know if I was on Voyager I'd want that little weirdo around. He tried his best.

There's one episode where his cooking is so bad that he almost kills all of them because he makes rotten cheese that infects Voyager's bio-neural gel packs.

There's one episode where his cooking is so bad that he almost kills all of them because he makes rotten cheese that infects Voyager's bio-neural gel packs.

There's even a running joke about Neelix's cooking being terrible. There's one episode where his cooking is so bad that he almost kills all of them because he makes rotten cheese that infects Voyager's bio-neural gel packs.

Also replicators.

Janeway made the right and morally correct decision. Tuvix had no right to exist. Sorry, them's the facts.

There's even a running joke about Neelix's cooking being terrible. There's one episode where his cooking is so bad that he almost kills all of them because he makes rotten cheese that infects Voyager's bio-neural gel packs.

Also replicators.

Put it another way, if 2 people were dying from organ failure, is it morally okay to murder an innocent person to harvest their organs so those 2 can live?

Needs of the many says yes

Honestly this never bugged me >_>

We don't see EVERYTHING Voyager does. It's not unreasonable that they bought or made more torpedos on their journey in quite dull trade exchanges with friendly aliens or uneventual resource grinding on unhabbited planets.

Plus there's the whole Goo Crew of Voyager and the show never says what epsiodes followed the goo crew and what followed the real crew. So for all we know, some of those episodes might be an entirely different ship with an entirely different compliment of torpedos.

They also never showed Harry Kim taking a dump but I don't think that means he never took one for 8 years.

Is it morally okay to be fused against your will with another being, therefore having your identity erased, for a hybrid parasitic chimera to take the place of you and your crew mate?

No but that wasn't a concious choice of the "chimera"

You're calling for the murder of someone who never asked to be born.

The now has already happened.

You're logic is comparable to "It's okay to harvest organs for the greater good because mothers die in childbirth."

It's a non-sequitur.

Not really. It's a fictional situation that has no real world analogue. Two can never become one in the same way.

Considering it was an accident (iirc) it only makes sense to undo the accident if possible.

What's so strange is out of all the Star Trek Shows. Voyager is the one that should have had the strongest serialization

I'm assuming this is referring to Ronald D. Moore, who wrote Survival Instinct and co-wrote Barge of the Dead.