Board 8 > Simpsons Mafia Topic 5: Don't blame me, I voted for scum!

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It's so tempting to just zap Wallz. He was probably looking forward to lynching me today, poor guy. Will probably claim as late as possible with this one. Don't really wanna want to use it for influence. Will enforce a mass claim if we go that route tho.

Enchantress posted...

"So let me ask you this... if FD isn't also a Town Vanilla, how did he deduce that Death was missing something in his claim?"

This sentence isn't Kirby claiming vanilla.

That reads to me like Kirby thought JUST vanillas had renamed roles. Otherwise he would know that FD does not need to be vanilla. And unless Kirby was a non-renamed power role, it would mean Kirby is vanilla. I guess that latter option is possible

I guess Wallz should reexplain why he picked Ulti over say, Death, who had claimed vanilla day 1?

Because yeah I can see Ulti being a good target for scum to interrogate and figure out if he's hiding power or not, what with the ambiguous day 1 claim.

Getting to track Ulti means nothing if Ulti is the role he claimed. That's why it makes no sense for town to pick ulti. Getting to track death means you can prove him a liar or not

The reason I liked Wallz was mainly based on Ulti's read on him who got to talk to him 1 on 1 over night... but if we throw that away as a misread.... there's not much I can point to. Wallz did actually come in saying Ulti might be scum after their conversation. And I did like that he eventually concluded Ulti was town, but maybe he at first tried to see if he could get Ulti lynched over it

the case against wallz i presume would be that he's actually the janitor / extra kill

so instead of being a 1 use neighborizer / tracker it's actually just a neighborizer until you decide to kill someone at the end of the night (and clean them) ?

the real question is why we haven't seen two kills in a night yet given that basically every game nowadays has an extra kill

that's actually not the real question that's a very easy question to answer

to establish an alibi

and by alibi i mean alibi and claim

UltimaterializerX posted...

The real question is why Scum Wall leaves me alive in the first place.

he was going to leave me alive, but I got killed by a vig, or did I make that up?

It's difficult because we don't have the normal "list of dead people" being provided with the new days, but perhaps I misread ctes flip.

I though it was "Maggie and Marge" (flavor) "Simpson" (faction/alignment) Vanillaizer (Role)
Like XXX, Town Cop
or YYY, Scum RBer
I read it as Maggie and Marge, Simpson Vanillaizer

But now Corrik reads as "Lisa Simpson, Studious" or maybe i had it right the first time and he's simply "Lisa" and he's a "Simpson" "Studious" (which the parentheticals tell us means role cop).

And Lea, your flavor cop means you not only know that Red is NOT a Simpson, but you know what his flavor literally is? And in your opinion it lines up with something that could be a vigi?

Lisa (flavor) Simpson (faction) Studious (role) Role Cop (function)

is how it should be read

like i predicted early on with JC it seems ctes didnt have a renamed role because that's sort of a newish / unique role that doesn't get used much

Forceful_Dragon posted...

It's difficult because we don't have the normal "list of dead people" being provided with the new days, but perhaps I misread ctes flip.

I though it was "Maggie and Marge" (flavor) "Simpson" (faction/alignment) Vanillaizer (Role)
Like XXX, Town Cop
or YYY, Scum RBer
I read it as Maggie and Marge, Simpson Vanillaizer

But now Corrik reads as "Lisa Simpson, Studious" or maybe i had it right the first time and he's simply "Lisa" and he's a "Simpson" "Studious" (which the parentheticals tell us means role cop).

And Lea, your flavor cop means you not only know that Red is NOT a Simpson, but you know what his flavor literally is? And in your opinion it lines up with something that could be a vigi?

Yes

Do you want to tell me if he is from the prior game flavor so i can fill in the spot on my spreadsheet? :(

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Do you want to tell me if he is from the prior game flavor so i can fill in the spot on my spreadsheet? :(

Ah, poor FD. His flavour wasn't in the previous game.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e14fd692.png

This is what I have for known information now btw. Working on votal colors now.

oh only 3 of us havent claimed?

im down to claim in like 20ish mins when i finish this game

For ease of readability I removed the wallz self vote and took the liberty of assuming Kirby was in fact innocent.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d1961c90.png

There are few of us enough alive that I'm gonna make a handful of iso images to show our voting records (gonna iso 2 players per image to get the 10 of us.

Death leaving his vote on Ulti always rubbed me the wrong way. Didnt feel earned.

Death (Yellow)
FD (Blue)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0a5b4e1b.png

.

JC (Yellow)
Lea (Blue)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5aeac41c.png

.

Red (Yellow) (heh)
Sbell (Blue)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9f87af12.png

.

Ulti (Yellow)
Wallz (Blue)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fea6f8d1.png

.

Ben (Yellow)
Chang (Blue)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/eeb30b30.png

.

Sorry to spam images, but I'd rather provide the sorts of things i'm looking at to give everyone the same opportunity to read the information in front of us.

Obviously day 3 doesn't mean a damn thing, but a combination of day 1 and day 2 with the amount of flips we have now could be relevant.

I appreciate the infographics. Who would you scan, FD?

anyways i'll go ahead and claim. i don't think it's likely i can make a good enough fake claim here to not get lynched and then get shot (if i haven't already been) so

i'm Ralph Wiggum, Town "idiots luck" aka Bulletproof

permanent bulletproof that is

unsure if scum has tried to shoot me (most likely n2 if they did) and that's why there haven't been any extra kills but it's definitely a possibility

At the moment, Wallz would be my pick, but i haven't dug into the votals since color-coding them.

I would have to imagine that scum would have still been playing to a day 1 out of an ulti lynch. They could do that either by keeping their own vote on ulti (Death, Sbell) or by trying to fragment and split the remaining votes. We see Ctes there on Corrik, and red and ulti are both innocent scanned so that would put him as the single corrik bus vote. The living voters on Ctes gives us JC, Chang, Wallz and yourself. I assume you won't waste a scan on yourself, but the other 3 are viable.

We still need to hear how JC is "self confirming" as he proclaimed day 1 so we can properly ridicule him when he spins a completely non-confirmable yarn. That's what I'm expecting anyways, but I'd love it if he's actually hard confirmed and then it's between Chang and Wallz for the fragmentation attempt.

The thing in Wallz favor is his corrik vote day 2, but maybe he would have decided Isquen had enough momentum that it wasn't a risk.

changmas posted...

anyways i'll go ahead and claim. i don't think it's likely i can make a good enough fake claim here to not get lynched and then get shot (if i haven't already been) so

i'm Ralph Wiggum, Town "idiots luck" aka Bulletproof

permanent bulletproof that is

unsure if scum has tried to shoot me (most likely n2 if they did) and that's why there haven't been any extra kills but it's definitely a possibility

You said "yes" on prior flavor, and perhaps it's because it was vague, but my assumption is that "Wiggum" from prior game flavor was Clancy, not Ralph.

today i am looking at sbell though who has effectively been a total non-factor in this game, which does not bode well for his alignment historically

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You said "yes" on prior flavor, and perhaps it's because it was vague, but my assumption is that "Wiggum" from prior game flavor was Clancy, not Ralph.

check the list again sir

UltimaterializerX posted...

No offense but I basically never trust bulletproof claims. Especially the really late ones.

make red shoot me then

changmas posted...

check the list again sir

>_>

Checks out

UltimaterializerX posted...

Didnt Death soft clear my vanilla claim on day 2 during that whole renamed bit? Or was that Kirby.

Bruh that was me and I hard cleared you >_> <_<

anyways back to gaming if no one has any additional questions

can scan me too if you want, town-confirmed bulletproof straight up cannot be removed from the game (i've been assuming that vanillizer and whatever killed kirby were the only things that possibly could)

changmas posted...

anyways back to gaming if no one has any additional questions

can scan me too if you want, town-confirmed bulletproof straight up cannot be removed from the game (i've been assuming that vanillizer and whatever killed kirby were the only things that possibly could)

That's why you requested the scan D2? Interesting

Lynch Wallz, scan Chang, does that create inevitability?

yup

if they had a strongman kill still available i was going to force it to be used on me

i also believe D2 was the day i hard claimed power right before the day ended so its possible i drew a shot and Kirby was the extra kill? But unsure

Corrik7 posted...

Lea and wallz probably town. Chang could have been a vote thinking it wasn't going to matter to look good. Red vote doesn't look good.

Need to think more about the shift from ulti.

This is what Corrik had to say regarding the vote shifts from the end of day 1.

Does corrik in this spot want to be right about sussing scummates? Or call his scummates probably town?

hold up a second

channeling Lopen here

Corrik rolecops MZero n1, they know hes odd day cop
Lea can now pretend to be even day cop

end conspiracy theory

the question that breaks the theory apart is why role cop MZero when you have JC and (probably) wallz to pick from. i think both of them hinted well enough at power to draw scum rolecop

Enchantress posted...

Lynch Wallz, scan Chang, does that create inevitability?

I think we need to wait for JC to provide his info regardless.

Also for SBell to explain why he ended on the (99% presumed) town day 1 and didn't cast a vote on day 2.

Peter Griffin would be a hell of a bold play to make a scum, but it must be considered.

I still consider Ben to be the least confirmed vanilla (Ulti > Death > Ben)

2 vs 8 can still go poorly, especially if we either don't have or already lost our protection (Kirby?).

mislynch today is 2v7

then mafia kill a scanned person (Ulti, Red or whover Lea scans today, if innocent) is 2v6

mislynch day 5 is 2v5

then mafia kill you to prevent the day 6 scan 2v4

I guess that still gives us 2 "inno scanned" people on day 6 in MyLo. Maybe 3 if we count Chang as getting inno scanned by being shot at by red tonight (night 4).

I guess mathematically it gets us damn close. But it means you DONT scan Chang since we can "scan" chang with red's gun, right?

to recap:

-Wait for JC to blow our minds (or not) with his self confirmable-ness

-Scan one of Wallz, Sbell, Ben ?

-Red commits to shooting chang tonight ?

-Lynch someone who hasn't been scanned and who isn't about to be shot.

-????

-Profit!

I dont think Peter griffin is that bold of a play when scum knew immediately what the flavor split is, and it was presumably on the safelist

Godfather Sbell running outta runway

changmas posted...

I dont think Peter griffin is that bold of a play when scum knew immediately what the flavor split is, and it was presumably on the safelist

it doesn't have to be on the safelist, it's from an entirely different damn show.

That's like claiming Captain James T. Kirk in Star Wars mafia. Who cares if it's not on a safelist, it sure as hell isn't going to be replicated by a town role, right?