Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Topic 9: And I Will Always Love You

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:15:23 AM
#101:


EDumey posted...
Man it's actually so hard for me to see Ulti as scum sometimes. I think it's part of his apparently now-patented FOURTH ALIGNMENT that's getting to me. I can't fault others for thinking he's scum. But I KNOW I'm town, I KNOW Ulti gave me his life at the end of D2, I KNOW Ulti posted pressure for me to dump him for Red at the end of D2, that I didn't get to do because I was preoccupied and Kirby did the move before I could check back in.

Maybe Ulti was just hard gambling on my cautiousness, but man is it a hard pill to swallow that he was bluffing there. He's probably just town and stubborn about how he's playing the date mechanic. It is so like Ulti to "soul read" a player one way or the other, and actually have the ability to effectively veto a lynch in this format is just something I can see Ulti do. That's just fun.

It's only gambling if the scumpair isn't Ulti x Kirby ftr

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EDumey
03/04/24 10:15:40 AM
#102:


Lopen posted...
Yes but as town who is interested in the scan results you would think he would want to know

Just leaving it Red's discretion implies disinterest

You may think this is nitpicking but details in language is how you find scum often tomes

I agree with you. I think it's worth looking at. Just offering my perspective to you because you asked if it was weird or not.

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:16:14 AM
#103:


Ulti hasn't been gambling all game

That's the outlier-- the question is why he chose that day end and only that day to be anything but "Im going all in on getting a date and holding it forever"

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:18:50 AM
#104:


I'm telling you at risk of damage to my Ulti whisperer status

It is 100% Ulti x Kirby. I think Ulti got a bit more audacious when I started musing that "I have a sneaking feeling Ulti is town trying to act scummy so he can be 4th alignment"

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:20:09 AM
#105:


I feel it's impossible to have Mzero as lock town and me as lock scum. We have most crimes and victories shared.

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EDumey
03/04/24 10:23:05 AM
#106:


If we lynch Kirby and Kirby flips town, does that effectively clear Ulti in your mind, Lopen? Or can Ulti still be scum independently of Kirby's alignment.

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:27:23 AM
#107:


My scum read on each is largely independent

It does reconcile two weird issues with Ulti's play however

1. Soul read Kirby scum given up late day 1 to call him obv town. Ulti is usually more committed to his soul reads as town.
2. Ultis very loose play day 2 when he has been super self preservative the rest of the game

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:28:24 AM
#108:


But can Ulti be scum and Kirby town? Sure

Same for the other way

But I'm extremely confident at least one is scum. Well I'm pretty confident both are but like one of them feels like a lock right now.

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:30:04 AM
#109:


Note also

Ulti and Kirby were both saying Red's play was anti town end of day 2

Is this a way to rationalize pairing with one another if Dumey pulled the trigger?

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EDumey
03/04/24 10:30:30 AM
#110:


Yeah, just in keeping with my earlier lynch preference post, I said probably UIti first. But was wondering if lynching one before the other gave us better read on the other. It does kind of sound like if Kirby is scum, that could heavily implicate Ulti. Not certain the other way around is true.

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:32:00 AM
#111:


I'd be extremely interested in Chris pairing with Ulti/Kirby and we lynch the other. They're both claimed vanilla so feels like checkmate

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/04/24 10:41:43 AM
#114:


I just really needed to cool off and think.
This game has me genuinely frustrated more than it maybe should? This concept being non traditional and out of my wheel house.

Okay I need to stop worrying about everyone nitpicking me, no one can find scum this game so it's resorting to everyone nitpicking and twisting words to fit a scum read; and i'm the easiest to do that with beacuse i can't type worth shit and get frustrated beacuse I have to talk in circles.

Full disclosure I haven't read anything since I left

So here we go.

1. Mzero- Mzero had been very active this game which is a nice change of pace for him. We had a good thing going day 1 and day two being on the same page, then coming into the day he came in with a complete change of heart and has now started nitpicking everything I say or twist the words of everything I say to fit the Kirby agenda. Kirby is the only other person really taking any heat or being brought up as scum. Could be a way to distract me and get me pissed off to get attention off of Kirby. I am not even sure what Mzeros other reads are due to this.
I think i have an idea??
Mzero has also been the quickest to date all game day 1 he paired with me pretty early, day two paired early on and today paired first.

He lists Ulti as a top scum read but is dating ulti, another thing he is attacking me about??
Calling me out for similar stuff Ulti is doing but not calling ulti out for them? Continues being hypocritical, alot of what he is saying about me currently can be said about him as shown in this post:

MZero posted...

I mean not making an argument for lynching anyone. Kirby at least has explained why he wanted to lynch each of his candidates even if they aren't great arguments.

Mzero scum with Kirby could be a thing Scum Mzero Ulti also possible.

Scum read

2. Lopen- lopen is my open date offer I haven't decided to take it again beacuse how he dropped me quickly to entertain JCs thoughts. Lopen has been pushing Kirby and has had similar thoughts to me on Kirby being scum. Lopen is probably fine. He was playing conspiracy and had some Chris Godfather fears early and even after the protsy claim but i think he has settled back in. He is actively thinking in topic which apparently you aren't aloud to do anymore lol.
Town read.

3. Chaeix (JC)- Jc has come in and out with some nice digs on people. I have a bit of a hard time knowing who his reads are but his digs come in as towny. I'd like to have a few more reads from JC but he is probably town.

Low end town read

4. Isquen- has lopen defending him based off Lopens Gambit Gambit in their night chat. Isquen has done nothing in thread all game though. Possible just got 1 over on lopen and Is still scum. Didn't he soft defend Peaf day 1 or something?

Low end scum read could be the town in my scum reads

5. FD- similar problem as JC good digs when he comes in but could be better with giving reads. I think FD has shown alot of logic this game more than others at times. Probably town I call this a town read doesn't fit as scum.

Low end Town

6. Ulti- ulti has been the quickest to date. People dig at me fot this and don't say it about Ulti is baffling tbh. Also his poe is blah and again people calling out me for this is also something not being called out for Ulti.
Main thing in Ulti's favor he is against going after Green checks until other things are resolved.

Alignment ulti Null still unsure here but willing to wait until later to resolve ulti not a priority atm. Could accept his date offer still I suppose.

7. Dumey- duemy out of the 3 attacking me has had the most towny moments. His day 1 was very town like. Day two he kept up with his town reads. Dumey has also shown he is willing to collaborate and listen to eberyones thoughts. He was first to call out how dumb suiciding into 2 people was a terrible idea. My main issue with Dumey is he thought I was paired with Ulti all day like Kirby did when I was not. I dont know if that means as much as it could. Possible he and Kirby Scum/scum and they discussed it in Mafia Chat and both got it wrong but this is me now picking. Kirby/Dumey isnt as likely as others. Dumey does want to resolve other things first sure maybe by killing me to resolve some other things is the wrong way to go about it but he is atleast consistent. Today he fell off alttle being tunnel vision at me but eh...

town read

8. Corrik- lock town don't even need to discuss
Lack of date offers is concerning though.

9. Sultan- I'm town vanilla didn't move last night. I look bad sure but I think alot of it is nitpicking and word twisting.

10. Kirby- went into Kirby alot already. He willingly wants to kill town reads to clear other town reads is still the most baffling part of Kirby to me. Kirby has been showing the whole game he almost doesn't care who gets killed. Forgetting Lock town Deputy was in the game until I was rhe only one to offer Corrik a date. Kirby is also on rhe nitpicking train not just with me but with others as well.

Top scum read. Could go more into it but discussed this alot..

11. Sir Chris- green check by fliped cop's cop scan and proven prosty. Unless Godfather Protay or a weird scum Jack he has too be town. Chris up until calming down hasn't done alot but. HE HAS TO BE TOWN or this set up os bastardy.


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Lopen
03/04/24 10:42:26 AM
#115:


I will say I would prefer Kirby lynched and Ulti slept with

Ulti playing super scummy to throw off my read is still in the back of my mind

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:43:48 AM
#116:


Kirby Dumey is still a valid configuration imo

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SirChris
03/04/24 10:50:44 AM
#117:


idk it feels like peaf was really doing his best to love on dumey in a non w/w way

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:51:14 AM
#118:


You know

Chris said let me cook and then took me off the chef duty when we didn't even get the meal I wanted yesterday

Give me Kirby as the main course like I wanted

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MZero
03/04/24 10:52:48 AM
#119:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
He lists Ulti as a top scum read but is dating ulti, another thing he is attacking me about??

When did I ever say Ulti was a top scum read? I said he was likely town because of something Peaf posted lol

And either way as I said I partnered with him just to see if I could stop him from saving you!

who's twisting whose words now friend

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:53:50 AM
#120:


SirChris posted...
idk it feels like peaf was really doing his best to love on dumey in a non w/w way

I actually agree

But the end of day 1 makes the most sense with Kirby Dumey and Peaf all wolf

I'm still feeling it's PROBABLY Ulti but Ulti just playing super scummy (he'll never admit this but Im certain 4th alignment cred matters more to him than getting reads right at this point) is still nagging at me

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EDumey
03/04/24 10:54:37 AM
#121:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
My main issue with Dumey is he thought I was paired with Ulti all day like Kirby did when I was not. I dont know if that means as much as it could. Possible he and Kirby Scum/scum and they discussed it in Mafia Chat and both got it wrong but this is me now picking

Just as a quick response to this, Ulti stated his intention to date you and protect you because Chris green checked you very publicly, and I earlier pointed out a post from Chang where he cleared up the order of dates between Ulti/Mzero/Sultan that I misread because I was skimming too quickly. That's where the confusion came from. Ulti has even very recently reaffirmed that he won't let you be lynched and will date you to veto it if necessary. I got the detail of the date wrong, but the intent of Ulti correct.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
10. Kirby- went into Kirby alot already. He willingly wants to kill town reads to clear other town reads is still the most baffling part of Kirby to me. Kirby has been showing the whole game he almost doesn't care who gets killed. Forgetting Lock town Deputy was in the game until I was rhe only one to offer Corrik a date. Kirby is also on rhe nitpicking train not just with me but with others as well.

Top scum read. Could go more into it but discussed this alot..

Maybe we should just kill Kirby. Give potentially Town Sultan his ultimate redemption run for this game. He had the intuition to know something was wrong with the Dumey/Peaf pair early D1. If Kirby flips scum, then it's either Town Sultan having a great game despite the pressure on him, or a scum Sultan bussing up a storm. Either way, seems like a good path to me!

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SirChris
03/04/24 10:55:35 AM
#122:


Lopen posted...
I actually agree

But the end of day 1 makes the most sense with Kirby Dumey and Peaf all wolf

I'm still feeling it's PROBABLY Ulti but Ulti just playing super scummy (he'll never admit this but Im certain 4th alignment cred matters more to him than getting reads right at this point) is still nagging at me

I cant stop you guys from doing what you want but like, I have read through peaf's posts and it feels like he is trying to butter up kirby moreso than save him in tandem tbh

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MZero
03/04/24 10:56:09 AM
#123:


I don't think anyone should be blamed for forgetting Corrik is in this game tbh

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SirChris
03/04/24 10:56:28 AM
#124:


But also to be very fair I left day 1 extremely confused how scum died at all so

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:57:21 AM
#125:


SirChris posted...
I cant stop you guys from doing what you want but like, I have read through peaf's posts and it feels like he is trying to butter up kirby moreso than save him in tandem tbh

Please read JC's analysis if Peaf's posts I think he nailed what happened

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Lopen
03/04/24 10:57:46 AM
#126:


It's page 8-9 last topic

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/04/24 10:58:02 AM
#127:


MZero posted...
When did I ever say Ulti was a top scum read? I said he was likely town because of something Peaf posted lol

And either way as I said I partnered with him just to see if I could stop him from saving you!

who's twisting whose words now friend


I mean I did have that as a question next to it and the post I was referring to it looked like ulti was someone tthought was scum ill have to find it again. Please hold

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Isquen
03/04/24 10:58:31 AM
#128:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Chris up until calming down hasn't done alot but. HE HAS TO BE TOWN or this set up os bastardy.

Just putting this out there (and it can be confirmed that I thought this last night to Lopen) but we have no indication that the setup ISN'T bastardly. I am never 100% clearing anyone until flip, not even Lopen.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/04/24 11:00:13 AM
#129:


@Mzero

MZero posted...

I mean not making an argument for lynching anyone. Kirby at least has explained why he wanted to lynch each of his candidates even if they aren't great arguments

Like Sultan, Ulti, and Chris. Sultan has been busy defending himself, but didn't make any pushes day 1 or 2 either. Ulti basically just said don't kill Sultan or Ulti. Chris said to lynch me because "I said so" and tried to clear Sultan

at least Kirby is trying

This read thar you liked Kirby didn't like me Chris or Ulti if that's wrong my mistake


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SirChris
03/04/24 11:02:37 AM
#130:


Lopen posted...
Please read JC's analysis if Peaf's posts I think he nailed what happened

do you have a post number or page number, again the lack of searching for old man chris is bad lol

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03/04/24 11:03:17 AM
#131:


Isquen posted...
Just putting this out there (and it can be confirmed that I thought this last night to Lopen) but we have no indication that the setup ISN'T bastardly. I am never 100% clearing anyone until flip, not even Lopen.

I would have probably stopped the game before it started if I rolled godfather prosty lol

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Lopen
03/04/24 11:04:53 AM
#132:


JC starts cooking post 337

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MZero
03/04/24 11:07:02 AM
#133:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
@Mzero

MZero posted...

I mean not making an argument for lynching anyone. Kirby at least has explained why he wanted to lynch each of his candidates even if they aren't great arguments

Like Sultan, Ulti, and Chris. Sultan has been busy defending himself, but didn't make any pushes day 1 or 2 either. Ulti basically just said don't kill Sultan or Ulti. Chris said to lynch me because "I said so" and tried to clear Sultan

at least Kirby is trying

This read thar you liked Kirby didn't like me Chris or Ulti if that's wrong my mistake

Yeah, I do have some suspicion of Ulti, but I wouldn't call him a "top" scum read. I'm still kind of on the fence on him

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03/04/24 11:07:28 AM
#134:


anyway I'm going to sleep pretty soon who wants to bang

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Lopen
03/04/24 11:08:36 AM
#135:


Isquen has open date to you iirc

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03/04/24 11:09:05 AM
#136:


And I'm not posting much for a reason. The air keeps getting sucked out of the room by various people in order to inflate a half-assed bouncy castle at a verbal carnival. We should shun Dumey, Kirby, Sultan, or Ulti for the day and be done with it, but no one's gonna listen to me over it.

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Kirby321
03/04/24 11:09:22 AM
#137:


EDumey posted...
I was a little annoyed at Kirby's perspective of me apparently not being active enough D2 when I felt like I was constantly inserting myself trying to move things forward and get people to engage, including urging Kirby to not leave the game right at the 1PM mark and give reads of the current game state. I guess we all kind of struggle with perceptions of how we're playing the game versus how other people read us. :)

No, you're right. I was mistaken about your presence in the game on D2. Did you see my iso of you with regard to the events leading up to Lea's demise? The one Isquen complained about for having too many screenshots? After doing that iso, I have you as a town read.

@EDumey

Tagging you just to make it abundantly clear that my thoughts have been updated since then. Seems there's an unfortunate case of my posts getting buried and overlooked, probably because of a certain someone who is utterly convinced I'm scum and will bend every possible angle to make his theory look valid...

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Isquen
03/04/24 11:11:27 AM
#138:


And my annoyance over mass screenshots is very simple: you can do the same thing by referring to a post by topic-post number instead, with the assumption that we all can read, instead of making me need to zoom and squint on my crappy phone when I'm at work.

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SirChris
03/04/24 11:12:17 AM
#139:


you know there's a place where you can post whole posts and its very clear....!

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Kirby321
03/04/24 11:12:18 AM
#140:


Isquen posted...
And I'm not posting much for a reason. The air keeps getting sucked out of the room by various people in order to inflate a half-assed bouncy castle at a verbal carnival. We should shun Dumey, Kirby, Sultan, or Ulti for the day and be done with it, but no one's gonna listen to me over it.

One of those people sucking the air out of the room is, to nobody's surprise, Lopen. You get mad at me for making one post with several screenshots, but don't even bat an eye at Lopen for being responsible for nearly double the post count out of anyone this day? :P

Idk that feels a bit disingenuous that you didn't mention Lopen at all despite his presence being very much a signature trait for him regardless of alignment.

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Isquen
03/04/24 11:13:32 AM
#141:


SirChris posted...
you know there's a place where you can post whole posts and its very clear....!

I am not getting fired for searching Mafia on the Big Brother that is my job's WiFi thanks.

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EDumey
03/04/24 11:13:54 AM
#142:


I guess we should all just stop talking so we don't annoy Isquen guys.

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SirChris
03/04/24 11:14:31 AM
#144:


I have read some of JC's cooking and i don't really love the taste of it. I don't see anything that's compelling so far really in terms of Kirby.

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Kirby321
03/04/24 11:14:31 AM
#143:


Isquen posted...
And my annoyance over mass screenshots is very simple: you can do the same thing by referring to a post by topic-post number instead, with the assumption that we all can read, instead of making me need to zoom and squint on my crappy phone when I'm at work.

Bruh
I mean this is totally subjective and obviously has different preferences

But if I'm on my phone, clicking links to view posts or having to open a new tab to go search for a post is way more annoying than having to zoom in.

Quite frankly I assume that people are less likely to read if it's a greater inconvenience. And some players aren't going to read at all, like Corrik!

Anyway, that's beyond the scope of this game.

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Isquen
03/04/24 11:14:33 AM
#145:


Kirby321 posted...
Idk that feels a bit disingenuous that you didn't mention Lopen at all despite his presence being very much a signature trait for him regardless of alignment.

Isquen posted...
Just putting this out there (and it can be confirmed that I thought this last night to Lopen) but we have no indication that the setup ISN'T bastardly. I am never 100% clearing anyone until flip, not even Lopen.


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SirChris
03/04/24 11:14:55 AM
#146:


Isquen posted...
I am not getting fired for searching Mafia on the Big Brother that is my job's WiFi thanks.

Actually I meant just play on mafiauniverse lol

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Isquen
03/04/24 11:16:10 AM
#147:


SirChris posted...
Actually I meant just play on mafiauniverse lol

Yeah I gathered that.

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Kirby321
03/04/24 11:16:12 AM
#148:


MZero posted...
anyway I'm going to sleep pretty soon who wants to bang

I'm gonna have to leave half an hour before the deadline today. I sent you a date request if you're down to accept it. I'd have a hard time believing you're scum based on your posts today.

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Lopen
03/04/24 11:16:28 AM
#149:


SirChris posted...
I have read some of JC's cooking and i don't really love the taste of it. I don't see anything that's compelling so far really in terms of Kirby.



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03/04/24 11:16:51 AM
#150:


Lopen posted...

I am up to like 400 if you have a specific post you like you can share it.

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