Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Topic 9: And I Will Always Love You

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Topic 1 / Rules: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80705866

Dates through T8P419

Paired
Ulti and Mzero

Exes
Kirby and Sir Chris
Sultan and Lopen

Open Offers
Isquen: MZero, JC
FD: Sir Chris, Lopen
Kirby: FD, MZero, Dumey
Lopen: Sultan

Day ends tomorrow at 7pm Eastern.

Dates through T8P446

Paired
Ulti and Mzero

Exes
Kirby and Sir Chris
Sultan and Lopen

Open Offers
Isquen: MZero, JC
FD: Sir Chris, Lopen
Kirby: FD, MZero, Dumey, Corrik
Lopen: Sultan
Sultan: Corrik

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Litterally not true

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Their is no way to put any pressure on anyone this game you can't even vote but if i and a vig shot I would have shot Kirby already.

These two statements contradict each other? You said it's not true that you haven't pushed a scum read and then said there's no way to pressure anyone

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I've been spending more time defending myself against bad arguments and some clarifications I've been having no time to scum hunt I must have been on the right track somewhere to get distracted but idk

And here again you said you haven't been able to scum hunt because you're defending yourself, which 1) means you haven't been pushing scum reads and 2) have been pressured, so it's not impossible

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Mzero would you feel better if I showed the back and forth with Chris it literally wasn't much.

I said some but in reality it wasn't alot.

Idk why I thought I needed to hide some info from that chat. I mean like I said earlier I didn't even want to claim I was slept with to save Town from claiming its probably last unclaimed power role.

Sorry I missed this. Yeah let's see it imo

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh and LOCK town from that list MZero, Dumey, Corrik, Sultan, Kirby, and Chris. Night 3 actions pending.

PoE Lopen, Justin, Isquen, FD. Last two are probably town but since they arent LOCK town I have them here

Nm it's Ulti Kirby

This PoE is too absurd

MZero just being stubborn

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lopen tou trust Isquen from your chat.. he hasn't done anything in thread.

Isquen Kirby Peaf lock it in

You're flailing and failing at it. I have mentioned repeatedly that I'm not feeling well, and I have a scum-to-town scale of everyone and have put forth my town thoughts already via my date requests, and the more you keep throwing a fit the lower down that scale you slide.

Town
Isquen
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Mzero
FD
Lopen
----Confidence line
JC
Corrik
Chris
---here be scumline
Ulti
Sultan
Kirby
Dumey

Literally Ulti's PoE is me and the few peopleworking with me

This PoE is just manipulation till I flip

Pretty much Ulti's entire case on me applies to mzero

But mzero lock town

Okay, restructured my columns of #DateActions. I shifted the dead players off to the side but I can include them as well if needed. Just trying to show everyone without having to split into two posts to prevent blurring.

Day 1:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/48f19139.png

Day 2:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a950ebda.png

Day 3 (so far):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8c1aea12.png

Hope these work and aren't blurry so I don't have to split them up. Would have had them earlier but I've been on mobile almost all day.

The thing that surprises me the most right now about Day 3 is how many people seem to be scattering date requests en masse and how few pairs have actually resulted from it.

Actually there is something pinging me about Kirby that I kind of glossed over before

Can you guess what it is Lopen?

Day 1-3 Dating Action analysis:

Mzero: Has had next to no Date actions every day. It makes sense in some respect because so far at least he's never had to worry about the 6 hour mutual breakup zone due to time zones. Rather than be negatively impacted by that it almost seems to play into his favor. For example on day 2 there were probably a couple of players I would have been willing to break up with MZero to save if it came down to it, but there is no way to know what the final 30-60 minutes is going to break when you're still 6 hours out, and it would have felt wrong to SoloBreakup with him while he was set to be gone until EoD.

Lopen: Had a ton of actions on day 1 and just the one on day 2. All day 2 though lopen was saving himself to be used as a weapon, so that fits, but I still maintain that we'd be better served by having the town-ier players pair off and leave it to the POE to decide amongst themselves. By inserting yourself into the final decision you are indirectly absolving others of the the end of day choices.

JC: Notably confirmed a breakup with Lea both day 1 and day 2. Day 1 it may have contributed to the death of Peaf and day 2 it led to Lea's death, but iirc it was at her insistence so :shrug: on that. No dating actions yet today.

Isquen: Has mostly offered dates to the same few people each day, though the addition of JC date offers is new today. Will have to see if that was explained/justified.

FD: I felt like death was imminent day 1 when I was still on the chopping block after the final 6 hours began. I felt lucky to get a Lopen date, and then I at least partially caused the day 1 chaos that left Peaf out in the cold. Day 2 I ended up with MZero, but it was mostly to prevent MZero from taking Red's spam date offer. I wanted to keep red on the table and I stand by that decision. Day 3? Who knows. I have a short list of people I do NOT want to pair with today, but otherwise I'm flexible. I'd prefer to just to take Lopen or Chris out of the pool and see how the remainders figure it out.

Ulti: Perhaps the worst #Datal track record of them all. Paired with red immediately day 1, gave red a full and complete pass. Was paired with Kirby for most of day 2 I believe until Kirby broke it off, and then he did the confirm/breakup dance with Dumey before leaving his fate "in dumey's hands". Cut to today where he became the new red, spamming date requests, got accepted by MZero, who he's shown no signs of being willing to break it off with. On track for a repeat performance of day 1.

Dumey: Still looks good for day 1 imo. He started the breakup with Peaf and imo, if they are scummates he did not expect Peaf to confirm the breakup. It would require a miscommunication of some magnitude, which is possible, but not likely. Did the Ulti dance on day 2 which I'm still not a fan off, and ultimately decided not to trade Ulti in for Lea. There were definitely some moments where I think it would have been fine to put ulti back in the pool and take red out of the pool, especially after red claimed and Kirby indicated he still wanted red to die. But I guess he was on the road or something at that point? I seem to recall that being mentioned today at least, don't know if it was stated in the moment day 2.

Corrik: Seems to be trying to treat this like a normal game of mafia and has basically not engaged with the mechanics in the slightest. If he wasn't claiming backup cop I would feel significantly worse about him. Not simply for disengaging with the core mechanics, but also for being gone for significant chunks of time and just asking people what happened rather than reading the game his own damn self. He had ONE stretch during day 2 where it actually felt like he was playing/solving, but that's all the good I can say about him for 3 days now.

Sultan: The other half of one of the "day 1 early pairs" that I did not care for. Paired with MZero almost immediately and only showed a willingness to breakup when MZero had already gone to bed for EoD. Day 2 wasn't much better, finding safety with Sir Chris and standing behind him for the majority. To his credit he did temporarily break up with sir chris day 2, showing a willingness to play the field, but that didn't last long. Day 3 he has joined Ulti as one of the new reds. The only reason he doesn't currently have a date invite sent to everyone is the fact that Lopen dated him for more than an hour before breaking up.

Kirby: Dated and broke up with red day 1 immediately for the lulz, which prompted an immediate rule change/clarification. Broke up later that day which put him in the position as being the presumptive lynch for a majority of the end of day 1. Was preparing to date Lea before I stole the date. I'm still surprised by how many people think that Kirby and Lea actually had a confirmed date. I feel like we've clarified the EoD1 actions multiple times now. Day 2 followed a similar trajectory to day 1. Had multiple dates and initiated multiple solo breakups before landing himself in the final 3 once more. Reluctantly dated our claimed cop at the very end. Has thrown some date requests around a bit more for day 3.

Sir Chris: Never seemed to be in much danger of not having a date, even before claiming confirmable/prosty. Got dumped by Lopen shortly before the 6 hour window day 1, and found Death shortly thereafter. Decided to pick up Sultan pretty early day 2 and stuck with him despite a temporary breakup initiated by Sultan. Confirmed a Kirby date (which Kirby ended) on day 3, and hasn't done anything else yet.

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That is my impression looking at these columns anyways. I'm not sure if there is anything truly damning in here yet, but I'd like to believe that with the format of this game it's going to make it difficult for scum to hide forever if I continue to view the game from this lens.

MZero posted...

Can you guess what it is Lopen?

Not Lopen, but reading FD's summation, could it be he broke with Chris because he possibly already knew about the prostitute and didnt want to get seen moving?

Nevermind I'm stupid and half asleep, that says Day 3 and not day 2

Isquen posted...

Not Lopen, but reading FD's summation, could it be he broke with Chris because he possibly already knew about the prostitute and didnt want to get seen moving?

You're on the right track. Kirby breaking up with Chris is... confusing.

Kirby321 posted...

Okay, yeah, the more it's been talked about, the more I have to realize that Godfather Prosty is convoluted.

Breakup

Go nuts and catch us some scum

Why is he breaking up with Chris for this? It doesn't make any sense. He even says go catch us some scum. Why is he breaking up with a town read?

Keep in mind, Kirby is claimed vanilla and probably wants to avoid being paired with a prosty if he's scum

Oh I just realized "go catch us some scum" means pair with someone else and catch them moving, derp

But still, kind of seems like he wanted to look like he was willing to pair with Chris and then broke it off for dubious reasons. Don't love it

Isquen posted...

Nevermind I'm stupid and half asleep, that says Day 3 and not day 2

no you're right, Kirby did dump Chris today. Everyone knew about the prosty at that point though.

What I'm saying is it kind of looks like he initially paired with Chris to be like "look how town I am!" and then got out without a very good reason.

Kirby321 posted...

In that case, Date: Chris
I don't think it's unreasonable to offer myself to take the role of validating your prosty claim. The only person who even remotely thinks I'm scum is Sultan, but he's not the one who needs to be convinced that you're legit.

I don't see how "Godfather Prosty is convoluted" goes against his initial reason for offering the date

Kirby plz explain when you get back I assume you're not here

Yeah I would think Kirby would be more willing to confirm himself as non-moving. Especially since that's the reason he offered the Chris date in the first place. It happened after prosty was claimed and specifically for the purpose of resolving the Prosty claim.

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But I'd like to hear what other people think about the 3(ish) days of dating actions, rather than just relying on my own summary.

Also minor correction to day 3. It says Kirby offered a date to himself, but that should say FD =P

my dating record is so damn clean

although it's missing that I offered Kirby a date yesterday

Sorry for being so cranky yesterday. Apparently I was not feeling well because I decided to take a nap and just woke up lol

Red wanting to date everyone sod was obv a town thing yeah

Hi Chris I am curious why you didn't attempt to date claimed vanillas so far

also who do you want to date today?

I figured given my thread position it was better if I acted like complete bait for as long as possible to see what stirred up. But given sultan move last night I thought it wasn't great to not speak up when his head was on the block tbh

As for tonight whatever vanilla claim wants me is fine

MZero posted...

Why is he breaking up with Chris for this? It doesn't make any sense. He even says go catch us some scum. Why is he breaking up with a town read?

Great questions. I don't think I made my feelings on that quite clear.

Entering this day, I've been very distrustful of Chris and Sultan. Seeing him say that Sultan was town only made me more suspicious, so I didn't trust Sultan to have been telling the truth about being slept with.

Thus, I proposed that someone who everyone says is town pair up with Chris to validate the prosty claim. Because at this point, I was convinced that Sultan and Chris being a scum pair was still a possibility. So I volunteered myself.

After a while, though, I realized that Chris would need to be Godfather Prosty in order for him to be putting up a ruse. While possible, many have pointed out that it seems unlikely and redundant with Vanilla Cop in the picture. Not to mention that such a scum gambit wouldn't be sustainable upon a Sultan scum flip or on future nights, especially when scum has a few mislynches to go before they win.

Seeing as my initial premise for pairing with Chris was silly, I decided he was more than likely town and broke up with him so that he could do whatever he needs to help solve the game. If that means he wants to confirm me as non-moving, then I'm fine with that.

Oh but do keep in mind I am not as young as I used to be. Like yeah I was baiting suspicion a bit as pr so I could live but some days I just have low energy lol.

SirChris posted...

But given sultan move last night

got em

How did I skip a whole word wth

Kirby321 posted...

Great questions. I don't think I made my feelings on that quite clear.

Entering this day, I've been very distrustful of Chris and Sultan. Seeing him say that Sultan was town only made me more suspicious, so I didn't trust Sultan to have been telling the truth about being slept with.

Thus, I proposed that someone who everyone says is town pair up with Chris to validate the prosty claim. Because at this point, I was convinced that Sultan and Chris being a scum pair was still a possibility. So I volunteered myself.

After a while, though, I realized that Chris would need to be Godfather Prosty in order for him to be putting up a ruse. While possible, many have pointed out that it seems unlikely and redundant with Vanilla Cop in the picture. Not to mention that such a scum gambit wouldn't be sustainable upon a Sultan scum flip or on future nights, especially when scum has a few mislynches to go before they win.

Seeing as my initial premise for pairing with Chris was silly, I decided he was more than likely town and broke up with him so that he could do whatever he needs to help solve the game. If that means he wants to confirm me as non-moving, then I'm fine with that.

alright that's a fair explanation. I kinda want you two paired up but

it would be cool if there was a role that could force two people to date for a night. Kinda like a mayor in this format I guess.

and then I skip half a sentence

I kinda want you two paired up but that's just me

Forcing someone to sleep with a prostitute feels like a crime tho

And then just to enforce that I'm not bullshitting reasons for pairing with Chris, these posts are show why I initially dated him:

Kirby321 posted...

Also, I'm not sure why you felt the need to claim. Your first roommate was dead, and your second roommate is under heavy suspicion.

Your claim is completely anti-town. You just needed to pair with somebody decently towny on N3 to confirm your prosty role, but you chose to reveal it now under suboptimal conditions. Why?

Kirby321 posted...

So? We have quite a few days of mislynches to go through. Lea stressed that we're playing this like we need a perfect game and making stupid mistakes as if we don't have days left before MyLo.

Claiming without someone reliable to back up your claim is a faux pas if you're town.

And then this is the first part of my post where I dated Chris:

Kirby321 posted...

Chris will resolve himself N3, so okay, maybe I'm fine with that. Sultan and Chris live today, we deal with them tomorrow. Chris obviously isn't going to die when Corrik is still available as a town scanner, so whoever he rooms with is going to prove his prosty claim.

Kirby321 posted...

However, I think it's valuable for whether the entire game trusts Chris or not. Because until we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Chris is legit town barring Godfather Prosty, nobody is going to productively interact with him.

The whole impetus for pairing up with him was for trying to prove his prosty claim via somebody reliable because Chris could still be scum. But in hindsight, odds of Chris being scum are pretty darn low given the Cop scan + Sultan confirming that Chris is a prosty of some kind

Kirby who do you think is scum and why atm

MZero posted...

These two statements contradict each other? You said it's not true that you haven't pushed a scum read and then said there's no way to pressure anyone

The two statements are completely different you said.i haven't pushed any reads when I have. Applying pressure I'm this game hardly exists beacuse you can't cote anyone. You keep twisting everything thing I say come on now. This comes off scummy as heell dude.

And here again you said you haven't been able to scum hunt because you're defending yourself, which 1) means you haven't been pushing scum reads and 2) have been pressured, so it's not impossible

Yeah beacuse of shit like this you keep twisting my words around.

Or don't understand what I'm now instead of asking you just do this bull shit.

I've mentioned my poe several time I've commented on reads several times. More than Isquen and honestly even you. You have just been nit picking my play. What other reads do you actually have??

I couldn't even tell you

Apparently the ghost of scum ulti no selling scans lingers over this game from what people are saying. I tend to like to use scans as odds tbh. I thought sultan was fine socially even before the scan

Honestly I'm probably done playing Mafia for a while after this game. This game has been nothing but annoying as hell for me

I just needed my bottle and a nap tbh.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

The two statements are completely different you said.i haven't pushed any reads when I have. Applying pressure I'm this game hardly exists beacuse you can't cote anyone. You keep twisting everything thing I say come on now. This comes off scummy as heell dude.

Yeah beacuse of shit like this you keep twisting my words around.

Or don't understand what I'm now instead of asking you just do this bull shit.

I've mentioned my poe several time I've commented on reads several times. More than Isquen and honestly even you. You have just been nit picking my play. What other reads do you actually have??

I couldn't even tell you

I'm not twisting your words, I think you're just misunderstanding me. By pushing a read I mean actually trying to convince people someone is scum or pressuring the player by questioning them on points they made or contradictions you've noticed. Pushing a read is inherently pressuring a play, so if you're saying it's impossible to pressure people, that means it's impossible to push a read

Which I disagree with, because I have been pressuring you all day, and you even admitted as much by saying you haven't been able to focus on scumhunting because of it

My other scum read coming into the day was Chris but I'm not sure now

SirChris posted...

Kirby who do you think is scum and why atm

Bleh, I could beat a dead horse and say Sultan, but the more this day goes on and Sultan insists on arguing the same points, the more I think he might be town that's just fucking up incredibly hard despite constantly asserting that he's "really good at the game".

Someone brought up that Lopen has been playing like he did in the Kingmaker game, where he was scum. Given Lopen's incredibly annoying insistence on suffocating topics with contrived analyses on Day 1, maybe that's not too far of a stretch. But I believe it was either you or Sultan who said that.

But if Sultan is scum and not hopelessly incompetent town, I'd rather not pass up an opportunity to lynch him today, especially when JC has outlined a perfect way for scum to circumvent prosty scans by playing cautiously. That being said, I don't see how Sultan + Lopen scum pair makes sense.

... Now, Sultan + Isquen might make sense, actually. Lopen claiming Gambler (i.e., not a tracking role) could let Isquen double up on actions without fear of being tracked, keeping Sultan safe if Chris could track. Furthermore, this could explain why Peaf never got saved D1. Isquen wasn't around IIRC, and Sultan couldn't do anything because he was shackled to MZero. In fact, why did Sultan even try to break up at all? Perhaps he saw Peaf in danger and decided to step in to save him.

... Except Sultan tried to breakup before Peaf even did. So maybe not. Idk. At this point, I'm throwing darts at the wall hoping that something makes sense.

Idk low key my social reads have been OK so far so I really dont want to kill sultan.

Like what is it in sultans play that's actually scummy? His interactions with peaf? I don't get it

Oh and also PoE doesn't count as a scum read, that's just a bunch of town reads

Also I dont even know what sultan has done to be called hopelessly incompetent kirby. Can you explain that to me?

SirChris posted...

Like what is it in sultans play that's actually scummy? His interactions with peaf? I don't get it

Sultan hasn't been consistent with his reads, and earlier in D3 he was being dodgy with MZero pointing out his inconsistent behavior. Suffice to say, a lot of people have pointed out that Sultan's behavior has been sketchy, including the now-deceased Lea and Red.

MZero posted...

Oh and also PoE doesn't count as a scum read, that's just a bunch of town reads

Yes it fucking does
Why are tou being such as asshole

He has been more whiny than I taught him to be as town this is true.

Sultan you need to show some champs level play here. Ate isn't befitting a kouhai of mine. Explain your positions calmly or you will probably perish

Like, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the only person who hasn't seen Sultan's behavior as concerning is you, Chris lol

Sultan got a lot of heat early into Topic 6. And I believe Topic 8 is where MZero and him had their exchanges. Perhaps those might be good places to look at to see where everybody is coming from with regard to Sultan

Kirby321 posted...

Like, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the only person who hasn't seen Sultan's behavior as concerning is you, Chris lol

Sultan got a lot of heat early into Topic 6. And I believe Topic 8 is where MZero and him had their exchanges. Perhaps those might be good places to look at to see where everybody is coming from with regard to Sultan

Tbh

If everyone but me wants sultan dead that probably means sultan is town lol

Kirby321 posted...

Bleh, I could beat a dead horse and say Sultan, but the more this day goes on and Sultan insists on arguing the same points, the more I think he might be town that's just f***ing up incredibly hard despite constantly asserting that he's "really good at the game".

Beacuse you idiots fail to see what the fuck i am talking about have have to talk in circles

Fuck this game dude

But I do not appreciate the whining from sultan lately

Okay sultan needs a nap he can die.

Goodbye sultan feel better