So why is Eve from Stellar Blade bad but not Bayonetta or 2B?

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Guide posted...
Twitter and Resetera might be fake as hell, but I think they still count as having real mass.

the problem is ANY group of people would count as "actual mass" if you are trying to make them out to be the boogeymen you want them to be.
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BakonBitz posted...
IGN actually unironically says this in one of their articles. IGN France I think? But they say that Bayonetta and 2B were "fine" but Eve is indicative of "someone who never saw a woman." Without, you know, doing the research to find out that the Stellar Blade dev has been happily married for a decade and a lot of the women designs in his games were from his wife, who's also beautiful.
Sounds like some absolutely maidenless behavior from that IGN writer.
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
the problem is ANY group of people would count as "actual mass" if you are trying to make them out to be the boogeymen you want them to be.

I was making a joke, a jape, but now you've gone and done this and made it as real as the people using twitter and resetera.
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deoxxys posted...
People missed topic acting like Microsoft didn't just address developers and tell them not to make them unrealistically body proportioned, which to them means any slight degree of bustiness.

If they were referring to this;
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1db02981.jpg
being an exaggerated body type than I would be okay with it but they mean any mild level of hotness sadly.

Also I'm hearing that insider news from a developer says that Microsoft now won't fund any game unless it has a degree of consulting like SBI

What do they mean by unrealistic though? Do they mean something thats not realistically possible? Because that picture obviously is (There are gravure and pornstars with that physique, and even just normal women) or do they want your more run off the mill women on the streets in real life?

In that case, most main characters in the stories they want would not have any unique or interesting features about them whatsoever, if they are being based off people who are your average joe. Hell, I go into a Sainsbury's or Tescos, and 9 times out of 10 theres gonna be a shorts wearing neck-beard. Is that what they're going for?
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Again this just seems like an extremely colonialist mindset to me.

A western company has an ideology, and is requiring all game companies to abide by it. Doesn't that mean they think their own ideology trumps everyone else's? Who gave them the right?
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Does anyone remember how when Bayonetta was coming out they bragged about how the very easy mode can be played one handed? It's obvious they were marketing the game and the character, Bayonetta, towards a very specific demographic.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
Again this just seems like an extremely colonialist mindset to me.

A western company has an ideology, and is requiring all game companies to abide by it. Doesn't that mean they think their own ideology trumps everyone else's? Who gave them the right?
If a developer doesnt want to follow microsoft guidelines, they dont have to make games for their systems. Its not colonialist for a company to say what games they will and will not fund.

wack argument tbh.
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
is there a source for these guidelines apparently written down by MS?
Did you miss this whole topic

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80733478

There's an archive link to the page for developers right in the first post
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
What do they mean by unrealistic though? Do they mean something thats not realistically possible? Because that picture obviously is (There are gravure and pornstars with that physique, and even just normal women) or do they want your more run off the mill women on the streets in real life?
I think the picture they would definitely consider exaggerated but if that was their measurement stick they used we would be fine. But since it's not I'm I'm going to assume they mean any woman with a bosom big enough to jiggle or get in the way of crossing their arms without emphasizing their breasts.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...
If a developer doesnt want to follow microsoft guidelines, they dont have to make games for their systems. Its not colonialist for a company to say what games they will and will not fund.

wack argument tbh.
That seems like a gatekeeping argument
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deoxxys posted...


That seems like a gatekeeping argument
How is it gate keeping? Microsoft should be able to say what kind of games they want on their own consoles and systems. Its their company. If they dont want big tits then thats up to them, and If you dont support it, dont buy microsoft.

Call it what you want, but its absolutely not colonialism.
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deoxxys posted...
Did you miss this whole topic

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80733478

There's an archive link to the page for developers right in the first post

where does it say they are making developers change their games, though?

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I was making a joke, a jape, but now you've gone and done this and made it as real as the people using twitter and resetera.

Seems like you ALWAYS thought it was real if what I said was enough to wind you up

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They knew what they were doing when they made her. The amount of media attention is crazy. Pretty good marketing.
She isn't; she was just drawn that way.

...On a more serious note, I think the biggest reason is that she's simply the easiest target at the moment due to her game having yet to "prove" itself in the eyes of the general public. There were a lot of cheap shots aimed at Bayonetta and 2B back when they were new too. Though it doesn't help that the people parading Eve and her game around as the end of wokeness or whatever look pretty lame themselves.
Jesus....people are acting as if Eve's body was something out of the ordinary for a fictional character. I fear what may happen when they discover Frank Frazettas art

Also just reading about Ben Ossolas article for IGN.... what a stupid, petty comment that speaks more ill about him than the developers.
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Aloc posted...
Feminism is essentially a war on men

Nah, this the tumblr evolution line of keyboard warrior feminism. Real feminism has more pressing issues to be concerned about like this fucking Supreme Court.
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Nah, this the tumblr evolution line of keyboard warrior feminism. Real feminism has more pressing issues to be concerned about like this fucking Supreme Court.
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Gladius_ posted...
Feminism has clearly defined definition and missive statements. Someone not aligning to the values or movement's goals or motives are not feminists. Feminism fights for the rights of both men and women. Women who do not care about men and call themselves feminists are, in fact, misandrists and not feminists.

That being said, the post you quoted is quite right. Most of us have bigger issues we are fighting against than stellar blade.


Yeah sure I disagree but I can't speak further than that.
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Wellbecause Bayonetta was actually good. So she can get away with it.

thats really the issue. 9 times out of 10, when you see a game with some big breasts front and center, its code for this game sucks and were using boobs to compensate. So after 30+ years of the industry pulling this trick, people got fed up.

realisticslly, you can pull off anything as long as its good.
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i hate bayonetta, i'm not gonna lie. tiny head, big weird lanky limbs, dancing around like there's an invisible stripper pole every three steps, even though she sounds and talks like she's some dignified noblewoman, then the whole "my clothes are my hair and my hair is my power, so i use my power and lose my clothes oops" thing. it's cringy and all over the place, but i guess that's an anime games thing, and people like them because of it, not in spite of it
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viewmaster_pi posted...
i hate bayonetta, i'm not gonna lie. tiny head, big weird lanky limbs, dancing around like there's an invisible stripper pole every three steps, even though she sounds and talks like she's some dignified noblewoman, then the whole "my clothes are my hair and my hair is my power, so i use my power and lose my clothes oops" thing. it's cringy and all over the place, but i guess that's an anime games thing, and people like them because of it, not in spite of it

The character is also genuinely popular. Smash is a great example of this. People really like her.
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ReiRei89 posted...
Does anyone remember how when Bayonetta was coming out they bragged about how the very easy mode can be played one handed? It's obvious they were marketing the game and the character, Bayonetta, towards a very specific demographic.

Journalists?
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Don't know about the whole feminists and left thing but anyone thinking people aren't trying to influence the way women are portrayed in video games is kidding themselves. It's already been happening, It's happened and will continue to get worse before it ever gets better.
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define "worse"

and not just worse for YOU, "worse" in general. what do you mean by that?
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
define "worse"

and not just worse for YOU, "worse" in general. what do you mean by that?
I don't really want to explain myself to you you're the one that calls people incels for wanting some cleavage. You seem like the kind of person who celebrates this stuff and cringes when they see an attractive woman in media.
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VRX3000 posted...
Wellbecause Bayonetta was actually good.

Going by the demo, so is Stellar Blade.
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deoxxys posted...
I don't really want to explain myself to you you're the one that calls people incels for wanting some cleavage. You seem like the kind of person who celebrates this stuff and cringes when they see an attractive woman in media.

so you have no actual answer. got it.
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Tons of people have bitched & moaned about Bayonetta and even more about 2B.

But for the most part, those people wouldn't have ever bought those games in the first place. Same for Stellar Blade really.
deoxxys posted...
I don't really want to explain myself to you you're the one that calls people incels for wanting some cleavage. You seem like the kind of person who celebrates this stuff and cringes when they see an attractive woman in media.

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So convenient how you flee with your tail tucked between your legs anytime someone even remotely presses the issue.
This whole thing seems like a "dumb, fringe people on both sides" thing. You have the people who cannot help but go out of their way to bitch about it. It's perfectly fine to criticize it and say it's not your cup of tea, but the extent to which some need to whine about it is silly. Then you have the weirdos acting like this is the turning point in some non-existent culture war, acting like this is the last bastion of sexy women.
Murphiroth posted...
Never Back Down 2: The Backdown.

So convenient how you flee with your tail tucked between your legs anytime someone even remotely presses the issue.
Arguing with you and crimson is a waste of time it would be like trying to explain to a dog why the sky is blue
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deoxxys posted...
Arguing with you and crimson is a waste of time it would be like trying to explain to a dog why the sky is blue

Never Back Down 3: The Backdownening.

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she isnt. most normal people dont care
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deoxxys posted...
Arguing with you and crimson is a waste of time it would be like trying to explain to a dog why the sky is blue

but bitching about women not being sexy enough for you in your video games is seemingly worth every waking moment of your life?
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deoxxys posted...
Arguing with you and crimson is a waste of time it would be like trying to explain to a dog why the sky is blue
Aww.

I was looking forward to watching them embarrass you.

Again.
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People aren't actually really mad at it. But the anti-woke crowd needed something to do so they made a bunch of posts saying that "games are back" because they're now including "attractive women."

This didn't happen when Bayo came out because conservatives hadn't decided that being anti-woke was going to be their personality yet.
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Raiden2909 posted...
most people dont care about the design beyond thinking it might be over the top but are waiting to play the full game

The only people screaming about how "WOKE-SJW's" are hating her and out to get this game are the Anti-woke Brainrot trolls that all seem to have a persecution complex and think anything less then Eve's design is ugly
That's all it is. That's all it ever is. The Stellar Blade board is mostly just people like that.
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
the group who have latched onto the game solely because of how Eve looks. A combination of coomers and right wingers opposing THE WOKE have created an absolute monstrosity of a fanbase and love this game
It's funny how these are the same people who loudly complain about media "making things political".
Calwings posted...
people complain that Eve's design is "unrealistic" (which is ridiculous because she's a literal 3D scan of a real-life Korean model)
This is just a nit-pick, but seeing as how models typically are multiple standard deviations away from the bulk of the population, I would consider Eve to be pretty unrealistic too. Also, imagine the amount of plastic surgery necessary to get to that model's level.
deoxxys posted...
Microsoft now won't fund any game unless it has a degree of consulting like SBI
If this is true, I guess I won't be buying any Microsoft-funded games in the future. Oh well.
Japanties posted...
If this is true, I guess I won't be buying any Microsoft-funded games in the future. Oh well.

MS never said that. that guy has been making shit up about that issue for days now.
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
MS never said that. that guy has been making shit up about that issue for days now.
This is the one and only thing that isnt confirmed, Im not just making up shit lol.
Of course Microsoft isnt publicly going to say this for fear of back lash. The other guidelines post I see you didnt bother following my link.

Japanties posted...
"Microsoft now won't fund any game unless it has a degree of consulting like SBI"

If this is true, I guess I won't be buying any Microsoft-funded games in the future. Oh well.
This is unconfirmed because its from an insider. They cant out themselves but a dev claimed that is how all Microsoft funded game work now, which would really be a shame especially for AA games.

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deoxxys posted...
This is the one and only thing that isnt confirmed, Im not just making up shit lol.

that's actually the definition of making shit up...
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
that's actually the definition of making shit up...
I didnt make it up, it isnt something my brain just thought up.
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God I cant stand your type, bury your head in the sand or gaslight people constantly when they complain about obvious shitty practices in the gaming industry.

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deoxxys posted...
I didnt make it up, it isnt something my brain just thought up.


did you say this:

Microsoft now won't fund any game unless it has a degree of consulting like SBI

if yes: then you made shit up

if no: then do you share your account with someone else who likes making shit up?
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Japanties posted...
This is just a nit-pick, but seeing as how models typically are multiple standard deviations away from the bulk of the population, I would consider Eve to be pretty unrealistic too.

They think that idea is hard to comprehend. I made it something like four times and they gave me the rhetorical equivalent of a blank stare.
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MrMojoRising posted...
People aren't actually really mad at it. But the anti-woke crowd needed something to do so they made a bunch of posts saying that "games are back" because they're now including "attractive women."

This didn't happen when Bayo came out because conservatives hadn't decided that being anti-woke was going to be their personality yet.
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