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$5k a month is a decent raise if that's post-tax (and still a slight one if not), even more so if that's US dollars. I'm definitely taking it.
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bigblu89 posted...
But do you think your living situation, whatever it may be, will be the same? As far as expenses.

I feel like a lot of people that are saying $5k have jobs that pay their insurance, may live with their parents still and pay a reduced/no rent, and have no kids. They either don't own a car, or it's paid off, etc.

My rent hasn't gone up once in the 6 or 7 years I've lived at my current place. My phone bill can't go up as long as I just stay on my current plan. Internet bill goes up occasionally, but by a relatively small amount. Food does get more expensive over time, but I don't see it getting bad enough to cause issues. I don't own a car, nor do I ever plan to own one. I have no kids, and that isn't going to change. I live in Canada, so medical expenses aren't an issue.
The 5k is already more than I make and I'll have time for a social life
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I've been unemployed for 24 years so suddenly making $60k/yr and not changing anything would be an obvious choice for me.
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Have to go with 1, option 2 is illegal here in Australia.
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bigblu89 posted...
So you're basically working a 7-7 instead of a 9-5.

Everything else is the same as a "regular" full time job. Benefits, 401k, hour lunch break.

Lets go with 10 vacation days, 5 sick days, 2 floating holidays. 10 vacation days go to 15 if you decide to stay after year 5.

Thats incredibly tight on the time off.
50k/mo, but fuck desk shit. I'd go back doing my old job of being a nursing home kitchen aide.
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Option 2 and it's not close.
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Cant believe you psychos are picking option one

bunch of lazybones

50k in one month is absurd
OK so say I put my current savings into a high yield account with 4% interest and put conservatively 42k a month of my 50k into that account, after 5 years I would have about 2.837 million.

If I made no other contributions I would be getting 113k a year from that balance alone.

Like... yeah probably. Though I have an unrealistic idea of what the real world is like since I more or less make my own schedule currently with exceptions
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Lol embarrassing poll results. Lazy fucks.
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Any of this stuff getting taxed?
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JohnnyWalker posted...
Lol embarrassing poll results. Lazy fucks.

I worked 12-14 days in my 20s

I'm too old for that shit now
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Arcanine2009 posted...
Any of this stuff getting taxed?
"All money is after taxes"
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Neither.

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JohnnyWalker posted...
Lol embarrassing poll results. Lazy fucks.

This poll reveals that people don't care about being crazy rich. They want to live comfortable and have a QoL. Nothing wrong with not wanting to work 60 hours weeks.

You can comfortably travel the world with 5k a month.

No way I'm working 60 hour workbweeks. Imagine having kids too. F that. Better to spend time with your loved ones and traveling then working like a slave.
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Arcanine2009 posted...
This poll reveals that people don't care about being crazy rich. They want to live comfortable and have a QoL. Nothing wrong with not wanting to work 60 hours weeks.

You can comfortably travel the world with 5k a month.

No way I'm working 60 hour work weeks. Imagine having kids too. F that.

Not that comfortably you cant. I take home more than that and love to travel. I get a lot of time off and spend most of it travelling but with thousands less each month and more time to travel, the money would run out quickly.
Glob posted...
Not that comfortably you cant. I take home more than that and love to travel. I get a lot of time off and spend most of it travelling but with thousands less each month and more time to travel, the money would run out quickly.
umm what? You"are still paying for rent back home.

You can definitely live comfortably in all countries with $5000 a month. Don't stay in a hotel everyday for one in EU countries. Stay at a hostel.
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Arcanine2009 posted...
umm what? You"are still paying for rent back home.

You can definitely live comfortably in all countries with $5000 a month. Don't stay in a hotel everyday for one.

I dont pay for rent on my home. Its all paid for as part of my package.

Maybe you and I have different ideas of comfortable. Dont get me wrong, there are countries like Vietnam and Thailand where you could live comfortably (and in hotels) for that money, but its not going to get you very far in Singapore.
I used to make 5k/month after taxes, now I make like 4k+. This is AUD.

It's really not a lot of money. I guess 5k USD would be like 6-7k AUD, which would be plenty.

It won't be much in 20 years though.

So retire instantly without any downside or retire after working far too many hours in a week for months? These are very unbalanced options for me, option A without question.
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50k a MONTH is a lot of money. And the hours are just tacking in another 4 onto my current job. Which isn't even bad. The 50k sounds obvious to me.
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Cant believe you psychos are picking option one

bunch of lazybones

50k in one month is absurd

JohnnyWalker posted...
Lol embarrassing poll results. Lazy fucks.

How is it lazy to want to spend my time doing stuff that is actually important to me, rather than working a meaningless job just for the money?
rick_alverado posted...
How is it lazy to want to spend my time doing stuff that is actually important to me, rather than working a meaningless job just for the money?
Corporate Overlords think that, about people who "don't want to work anymore".
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Option B and it's not even close.
kawalimus posted...
Option 2 easily. 5yrs a small price to pay for 3 million dollars after taxes. Just think of it like military service or some shit. Plus you still get weekends
For real. I've worked crazy overtime before, in really PHYSICAL jobs. You can make it through 60 hour weeks just fine, especially as a desk jockey.
5k easily
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Is investing considered getting a job?

Shouldn't be.

5k is better because the $50k job you can still be fired

The 5k even if you get a job if you lose it you get it

The 5k ia basically auto retirement ans you can get any job then quit whenever you want
Unless you guarantee at the 50k job I can't be fired?
Frankly I would not want either option.

The no work, 5k option is the better of the two, but I would still like some amount of work. Not a full time amount, but I go stir crazy just sitting at home for to long

The other option is complete hell, I would die if I had to work 12 hour shifts, I'm just not made for that type of work
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Im surprised by the number of people claiming that 12 hour shifts are crazy. Loads of people, including myself, do that or have done that regularly.
MC_BatCommander posted...
You could be retiring instantly with the first option. 5k per month is pretty solid for guaranteed income
Depends on where you live. Plan to die alone or for a very mundane retirement with 5k a month. Not enough to raise a family, especially in metropolitan areas with a higher COL. Forget about any travel or vacations that people typically do after retiring.
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Easily the $50K route.

The $5K per month doesnt allow a lot for saving, and if you have any medical issues later in life (or just emergency situations that require cash), you could be in a real bind.

Earning $600K per year for 5 years minimum allows for a lot more security later in life, and you could even keep it going for longer if youd like.
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Depends on the work
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i make 2.5k a month, ill take the 5 k
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SailorGoon posted...
Depends on where you live. Plan to die alone or for a very mundane retirement with 5k a month. Not enough to raise a family, especially in metropolitan areas with a higher COL. Forget about any travel or vacations that people typically do after retiring.

then move to somewhere that isn't literally stealing from you? if you can't get by on 5k a month by yourself then you live in a problematic area
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SailorGoon posted...
Depends on where you live. Plan to die alone or for a very mundane retirement with 5k a month. Not enough to raise a family, especially in metropolitan areas with a higher COL. Forget about any travel or vacations that people typically do after retiring.
imo the $5k/month would make it very easy to raise a family.

the topic doesn't say it's the only income everyone in the family gets, it's just you

one person takes $5k/month to be a stay at home parent essentially, and the spouse gets a job with healthcare, etc.
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Glob posted...
Im surprised by the number of people claiming that 12 hour shifts are crazy. Loads of people, including myself, do that or have done that regularly.

You've got to understand that that "loads of people" still equates to an incredibly small portion of the working population. Most people work meaningless, soul-crushing jobs that overwork them even in those fields, at 8 hours a day, so they're trying to conceptualize 12 hours within the same context, and thus, it becomes no surprise that it seems crazy, to them.
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StealThisSheen posted...
You've got to understand that that "loads of people" still equates to an incredibly small portion of the working population. Most people work meaningless, soul-crushing jobs that overwork them even in those fields, at 8 hours a day, so they're trying to conceptualize 12 hours within the same context, and thus, it becomes no surprise that it seems crazy, to them.

Theres not many jobs that pay well and youll consistently only work 8 hours, in my experience.
$5k would eventually succumb to inflation

Being able to invest a lot of the 50k would stay ahead of inflation over the long run.
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Glob posted...
Theres not many jobs that pay well and youll consistently only work 8 hours, in my experience.

On the contrary, most well paying jobs are salary jobs, and the more well paying salary jobs absolutely are jobs where the average worker can consistently make sure they only work 40 hours a week, by choice. It tends to be the lower, lesser paying jobs that try to overwork you and get you to work more than 40 hours a week. I get your viewpoint, since it does fit with mine, where... When I had a salary job, it did feel like they took advantage of me and had me work more than 8 hours, on average. That said, I had visible view into the higher level jobs, and I noticed they, very freely, could make sure they only worked 8 hours, or even less.
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StealThisSheen posted...
On the contrary, most well paying jobs are salary jobs, and the more well paying salary jobs absolutely are jobs where the average worker can consistently make sure they only work 40 hours a week, by choice. It tends to be the lower, lesser paying jobs that try to overwork you and get you to work more than 40 hours a week. I get your viewpoint, since it does fit with mine, where... When I had a salary job, it did feel like they took advantage of me and had me work more than 8 hours, on average. That said, I had visible view into the higher level jobs, and I noticed they, very freely, could make sure they only worked 8 hours, or even less.

Thats not been my experience at all. The salaried jobs Ive come across and worked almost always have you working unpaid hours.
Glob posted...
Thats not been my experience at all. The salaried jobs Ive come across and worked almost always have you working unpaid hours.
Over 13 years, 4 different salaried roles I have averaged well under 40 hours/week tbh

in fact the only one where Id ever occasionally work more than 40 was salary non exempt so I got overtime pay from time to time
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theAteam posted...
$5k would eventually succumb to inflation

Being able to invest a lot of the 50k would stay ahead of inflation over the long run.
I think this is lost on most people.

$5k now is, like $2800 in 10 years.
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metralo posted...
then move to somewhere that isn't literally stealing from you? if you can't get by on 5k a month by yourself then you live in a problematic area
I mean living by yourself is easy. I live in Seoul (a pretty pricey place) and I'm making roughly 5k a month post tax, so it's very doable for me, but I couldn't imagine trying to raise a child in this economy. And yeah, I could simply just move somewhere where it's cheaper, but there's so much you have to trade off permanently for that, while with the 50k a month, any sacrifices made are temporary.

You certainly can retire with 5k a month, but the point is you have so much less freedom in the long run
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SailorGoon posted...


You certainly can retire with 5k a month, but the point is you have so much less freedom in the long run
Supposedly, it was originally posed as a personality test based on what you value.

If you choose option 1, you value time and freedom. The ability to live life on your own terms. You also probably value time spent with friends and family, and have a lot of hobbies.

If you choose option 2, you probably live by the motto: do the hard things now for an easy live later. You're not happy with the status quo, and you always want more for yourself.
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