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hockeybabe89 posted...

But it's enabling a Trump win since there are literally 2 viable options in any American presidential election. Not voting for Biden implies you are ok with what happens under a Trump presidency.

Casting a vote for the person who isn't Trump clearly bothers you more than a Trump America.

Then voting specifically for Biden implies you are in favor of what happens under a Biden presidency.

You can't have it both ways. If those who support no one are responsible for the winner's actions, those who specifically support a candidate are responsible for that candidate's actions.

WingsOfGood posted...

It 100% means that.
If you don't vote for Biden then you increase Trump's chance to win. That means you are OK with Trump winning.

"We're allowed to decide what we do and don't support from our guy, and still vote for him while claiming to be against the stuff we don't like. But if you don't vote for anyone at all, you're automatically deemed at least okay with the guy who isn't our one."

WingsOfGood posted...

What do you think Trump will do in regards to Israel?

You can pretend like Biden is the only person who exists but that is not reality. You are given a choice of Biden vs. Trump.
You are fully consciously aware of your action that will help or hurt either to be elected.

You disagree with Biden policy on Israel. Ok. Do you then CHOOSE Trump over Biden? Why? What will Trump do instead?

That is why your argument is not genuine.

It is no one's fault but Biden that he chooses to continue supporting Israel. Stop fucking saying people whose support he loses over it are to blame. They are not. He is.

Will_VIIII posted...

If you think the policy we've had with Israel for the last 80 years is equivalent to Trump (the rapist who paraphrases Hitler and tried to overthrow the election results) and project 2025, then it's simply impossible to have any kind of discussion.

Supporting a genocide is one of those things that is bad enough on its own that it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached. "We've been doing so for a long time" is not a good excuse for it either.

WingsOfGood posted...

You cannot vote to stop it as it will happen either way.

However Biden is the one who is more open to listen to protest.

Do you understand this?

Yeah, we have the latest weapons transfers as proof of just how willing Biden is to listen.

Will_VIIII posted...

Again, the equivalency here...

It is equivalent. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't explicitly support Biden is complicit in anything Trump does if he wins; yet that people who outright vote for Biden aren't responsible for his actions. Seems like a blatant double standard to me, especially given that the former is just a lack of opposition whereas the latter is explicit support.

WingsOfGood posted...

It doesn't but the point is you are 100% ok with Trump and Project 2025 or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win.

By the same logic, does that mean you are 100% ok with Biden and the Palestinian genocide or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win?

Come on, explain why the same standards don't apply to Biden.

Will_VIIII posted...

Not voting for Biden directly enables and benefits Trump and Project 2025.

Like it or not, it really is as simple as that.

Okay, but explain how someone not voting at all bears more responsibility for a candidate's actions than someone who specifically voted for the candidate in question.

Like, what logic makes it that Person A who does not vote is responsible for Trump's actions if he wins; yet Person B who specifically voted Biden is not responsible for Biden's actions if he wins.

Almost seems like it's just an "it's okay when we do it" argument.

Once again we have a topic of Biden's die-hard supporters insisting that non-voters are responsible for what Trump does, but explicit Biden voters aren't responsible for what Biden does.

You can't have it both ways. If non-voters are at fault for Trump's actions, Biden voters are most certianly at fault for Biden's actions.

cjsdowg posted...

Tell me how many Aids works are you okay with murdering ?

Any number, as long as their guy and not the other major guy is behind it.

Karovorak posted...

Back from my lunchbreak.

<rolls the dice>

YugiNoob posted...

HE WON

And me pointing it out means I win :D

Congrats! I'll send you the links via PM shortly. (Sorry about the delay, just woke up.)

Karovorak posted...

Now

EDIT:

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Ouch.

No, I don't. Cool but dry is best.

Zikten posted...

They have a point. I understand if the game is meant for online play. Like an mmo. But shutting down a single player game is not ok

This.

Your face.

A bigger snake.

Bugmeat posted...

Premium would be a waste of money

Yes.

and potentially harmful over the long term.

No.

Truth Social maybe? Or whatever Trump's shitty one was called.

I don't care. I don't use it, I'm not bothered if others use it.

bigtiggie23 posted...

Guess I'm alone in never playing a RE game.

I've never played one either.

A bigger cat.

A bigger dog.

itachi15243 posted...

Are we allowed to keep posting or is there a limit

Just don't spam enough to get the topic modded I guess.

Seems everyone got bored of the last one so let's go with something simpler this time.

I have two games to give away. Both are via Humble gift links; one is for Steam and the other is for Ubisoft's launcher thingy.

The first post to get a message ID ending in 00 wins the Steam game. The first other user to notice and point it out wins the Ubisoft one. (Posts by me do not count.)

Games are a mystery until you win them. You can regift it if you already have or don't want it.

(To see your message's ID, click on the post number and look at the end of the URL.)

Share your stories, CE.

For only $1000 I'm taking the infinite cellphone power. Add another zero and I'd take the money.

18 and 16 would be legal in most places, either due to a lower age of consent or due to close in age exemptions. And that's fine. 18 and 16 is not a problem. 30 and 16 is a problem, sure, even 20 and 16 is iffy, but 18 and 16 is not.

bfslick50 posted...

If you view Biden and Trump as the same on this issue, as both Israel supporters, then voting neither is completely understandable.

If you view Trump as worse for the Palestinian people, then opposing Trump is absolutely vital if you actually give any shits about the Palestinian people. Who wants to hear "Things are so bad for you and I feel so bad that I just completely stopped fighting the back slide into even worse territory"

A difference of degree stops mattering when even the lesser degree has gone way too far.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

This, or "I was unable to work during this period as I was too busy not working".

videospirit posted...

There are probably exclusive clubs for the super rich where they get together and plan ways to make themselves richer and make deals with each other.

Not some monolithic organization that all works together for a secret agenda or some shit, but 0 surprise if there's stuff that's just "Bunch of rich dudes get together and make decisions that affect the future of the planet in significant ways all for their own individual self interests."

Likely hit the nail on the head with this one.

ClayGuida posted...

This should honestly be the moment the world turns their back on Israel. Netanyahu's bullshit response of this being war shows how little he values life.

This is like the 410757864530th such moment.

bfslick50 posted...

If Trump wins, what do you think will be his stance on Israel-Palestine? Do you think on that issue hell be the same as Biden? I think hell green light the complete annexation of Gaza at a minimum. I think hell make things even worse.

He will, which is why supporting him is even worse. That doesn't mean it isn't completely understandable why a lot of people no longer want to support Biden either.

LonelyStoner posted...

I only voted for Biden last election because fuck Trump. Now we have people on this board saying a vote for third party candidates is a vote for Trump. Idk how brain dead some of these people have to be to continue being two party shills, but apparently its severe.

As I mentioned (maybe in the other topic) after seeing exactly how many obstacles there are to a third party running in the US, I can sympathize a bit more with where these people are coming from, but still... I would not be able to bring myself to vote for Biden given his track record here, and I can't say I'd criticize anyone else for not doing so either (as long as they aren't instead voting for Trump).

The best hope I can see is that the threat of losing votes causes him to correct course, and thus win back those votes, and that he hopefully doesn't then pull a 180 after the election. Shit really is fucked up over there.

I've heard from an anonymous inside source who is not a rat-gator creature of any kind, that Caelthus was allowed to return on the condition that he take and pass a six month course on the proper and safe methods of preparing potato-based culinary dishes.

Doom, Duke Nukem, Half Life (unless you count Portal). Probably heaps more but they were the first (aside from TC's example which also holds true for me) to come to mind.

Close mentions for Zelda, Assassin's Creed and Elder Scrolls, which I've played only very briefly and didn't see much appeal in.

bfslick50 posted...

Biden absolutely deserves criticism on this. This topic is full of that as it should be.

1824 election. More than 2 serious contenders means split vote and House picks. We need rank choice voting and ditch the electoral college for this to become a reality.

Yeah, someone actually made the effort to explain that in another topic. What an utterly shit system.

Nonetheless, it just means that (assuming, almost certianly correctly, that Trump will not change his stance) the only hope of a better outcome is enough pressure being put on Biden to change his stance. If he sees he's going to lose votes, and knows that cutting Israel off is the way to win them back, and that he can't just coast along on "orange man bad" despite that the orange man really is very very fucking bad, that's pretty much the only real power any average person has to make him change.

MacadamianNut3 posted...

88 alone isn't suspicious considering how old we are now, the reversed 14 combined with it tho is a dead giveaway

This. Either one alone is probably nothing, but the two together really can't be taken any other way.

Old news now but also utterly horrific. Fuck that guy.

My only complaint is that you can't pin the taskbar to the side (instead of the bottom) of the screen. Quite a few nice minor quality of life improvements, and one really big one (tabs in file explorer). Overall I'd say upgrade if your PC is compatible (which yours may not be, at least officially, if your CPU is that old).

Eat_More_Beef posted...

So, you think this tax has only existed since Isreal and Pakistan got into a conflict?

Doesn't change that that's part of what it's being used for now.

No. Bulbasaur or Squirtle maybe, but Pikachu is going too far.

DrizztLink posted...

The point being we can at least attempt to pressure Biden, which has actually worked on several occasions throughout his presidency.

What stronger pressure is there than the threat of losing votes?

Maybe he'll get the message, change his stance, and be worthy of considering again. If third party really can't happen, then that's the only possibility that results in a change of course. Which won't happen if he continues to get unconditional support.

DrizztLink posted...

Do I look like a fifth grade Social Studies textbook?

Why should I go through that much effort to educate you on something you'll then refuse to understand?

You're on the Internet and this is allegedly important to you, do it yourself.

Because I'm pretty damn familiar with the whole "if you don't vote or vote 3rd party you're voting for the other side" crap and it's blatant misinformation when the right do it, it's blatant misinformation when the left do it too.

And I'm fucking sick of people making excuses for supporting a candidate who's directly enabling a present, real-world genocide. Apathy is one thing, but with every new story that comes out about exactly what Israel are up to, and that Biden is supporting them in it, it becomes very fucking hard to have any patience for or assumption of good faith towards people who still support him. (For those who are going to go "but Trump!", the equivalent patience and good faith for his supporters already ran out a long time ago.)

Shadow_Don posted...

No I merely asked you what a good alternative candidate was and you don't have one because you couldn't even be bothered to spend 20 minutes trying to find one.

Because I'm not going to know enough about a candidate in 20 minutes to know if I should recommend them or not? But at the same time, you would no doubt take it to mean I agree with everything the candidate has ever said or even implied.

Again, I don't need to name a candidate who is good, in order to recognize that one (or rather, two) who supports genocide is very bad.

DrizztLink posted...

If you ignore about 90% of American electoral proceedings, then sure.

You figured it out, we're so proud.

Okay, so I'm missing something. What is it? What factor, other than how people vote, prevents anyone other than Trump or Biden winning? And if such a factor exists, why do other options go on the ballot at all; even more so, why do they get any attention?

Heineken14 posted...

You seem awfully good at telling people what they know and do.

What other conclusion can be drawn from someone saying:
Shadow_Don posted...

But how the fuck does that work if nobody knows what 3rd party candidate to go for?

Shadow_Don posted...

You're not a serious person. You don't care about American politics or the people in Palestine.

"You don't follow one of my Approved Opinions so you are not serious."

DrizztLink posted...

Guess what the research found regarding the viability of third party candidates?

That the only thing preventing them winning is *checks notes* people not voting for them?

DrizztLink posted...

But you don't have to research anything at all from atop your high horse, naturally.

I do for elections here. You should be doing so for elections there.

But hey, much easier to just wait and see who your preferred team tells you to vote for, and simultaneously turn a blind eye to everything wrong with that person while insisting even those who support neither are at fault if your guy doesn't win because of those things.

Shadow_Don posted...

You're the one telling us we can overcome the two party system if we vote third party.

But how the fuck does that work if nobody knows what 3rd party candidate to go for?

You're a joke.

Here's an idea... Research the candidates you can vote for, and vote for the best one, instead of not just allowing but outright needing someone else to tell you who to vote for? And if all the ones you've researched are shitty, look into more of them instead of stopping after the first two?