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I mean, the site does pay for storage and bandwidth to deliver that ad to you (and the associated content).

Maybe a profit sharing arrangement is in order?

Shadow_Don posted...

Dude literally went on for pages about how we shouldn't reject 3rd parties as a viable option

And he literally doesn't know any 3rd party candidates.

Its all a virtue signal.

Says the person who has spent multiple pages in multiple topics trying to convince everyone to vote for a candidate who supports genocide.

Like, explain why the fuck I need to know a specific third party candidate in order to recognize that it's not a good idea to vote for a candidate who supports fucking genocide. You take such candidates out of the equation, third party is what's left. It's not fucking rocket science; I don't need a PhD in American politics to recognize that. Just a lack of whatever propaganda you've been fed your whole lives.

DrizztLink posted...

You don't vote for anyone involved, because you aren't American.

Irrelevant, as the general concept still applies to any American who doesn't vote.

Heineken14 posted...

So, you not even an American?

I thought it was common knowledge that I'm from NZ.

And no, my opinion is not invalid, because your country's politics affect my country and almost every other country out there. Sure, it does mean I don't have much reason to give a shit about local or even state politics, but when it comes to federal shit, the rest of the world very much has a reason to care.

Cemith posted...

Because no one else has a chance

Unless you believe RFK "Republican in a mask" is the answer in which case, please say so so I can cap it.

From what I know, he's basically Trump-lite? Would be better than Trump, probably (educated guess as I don't know him well enough) worse than Biden.

I don't need to know every single American politician or have a specific preferred one in order to notice that nothing actually prevents Americans going a third route other than their own refusal to do so. I know that the two they're pretending are the only options are both awful; one significantly more so, but both of them to the point they should be nowhere near the presidency of a country that affects virtually the entire world politically and economically.

Rika_Furude posted...

As stated earlier, not voting for Biden is factually a bigger help for trump since a lack of a voter turnout statistically helps republicans more
so no, you actually are supporting trump if you continue to carry on with your I wont vote for either nonsense

No, you're overlooking that my "vote" for Trump there is cancelled out by me also having a "vote" for Biden (by virtue of not voting for Trump).

Rip man working

hockeybabe89 posted...

I'm voting for the person who isn't Trump.

You are voting for one specific person who isn't Trump.

DrizztLink posted...

There's also that whole "Republicans have outright said they want to turn Gaza into a parking lot" thing that a lot of you don't seem to understand.

No, we definitely understand it, and it's why we don't support Republicans either.

Heineken14 posted...

Am I? Well shit. What else do I believe? This may be easy not having to think and just have someone else tell me.

Again, am I?

Do I? I'm finding out a lot about myself today!

You could have learnt all this without me pointing it out for you simply by reading your own posts. Which in general is a smart thing to do before actually posting them.

Umbreon posted...

Okay. Who should we push for a third candidate?

Well, the wording was "a random CEman", so ask RNGesus.

Umbreon posted...

Cool.

So will you run?

I'm not eligible on multiple grounds.

Heineken14 posted...

Pointing out people's flawed logic that isn't based in reality is super easy, barely an inconvenience.

That said, it's still more than what you people are doing.

The reality is that you are completely willing to turn a blind eye to Biden supporting an ongoing genocide, and support him despite it. That is, if we assume the most favorable interpretation.

You're not willing to put any pressure on him to stop supporting it. You just want people to ignore the fact that he supports it and vote for him anyway.

It really says a lot that the people who still support Biden are putting more energy into convincing people to turn a blind eye to him supporting genocide than they are into putting pressure on Biden to stop supporting genocide.

Umbreon posted...

We all should push someone eligible from CE to become President. They can totally hypothetically defeat both candidates.

A randomly selected CEman has a 99.99% chance of being better than Trump and at least an 85% or so chance of being better than Biden.

Aside from swear words, I don't think so (and high school even let mild swears slip; anything less than "shit" was generally fine). There was one particular teacher who hated the word "stuff" but that wasn't a schoolwide thing.

The store brand soy milk from PaknSave / New World is far better than all but the fanciest of branded ones.

Tanthalas posted...

Yes, people who vote Biden are indeed much less responsible for what Trump does if Trump wins. That is indeed how reality works.

Yeah, there is no reason to believe you're posting in good faith at this point. Fuck off.

(Read what he was replying to if this post seems weird.)

Tanthalas posted...

If your actions help Trump win, then you helped Trump win.

Yet again, you're claiming that those who don't take any action are responsible for what happens if Trump wins, yet those who actively supported Biden are free of responsibility for the outcome if he wins.

mistymermaid posted...

Way to ignore corporate donors propping up the status quo.

Corporate donors still only get one vote each. If everyone else doesn't vote with them, their candidate does not win. It's fucking exhausting seeing how blinded Americans are to this.

Umbreon posted...

Third party couldn't even do anything in 2016, with the two least popular candidates.

Again, Glass Joe isn't going to win.

And Americans will have no one but themselves to blame for the outcome.

If your two big options are both shit, you PICK A DIFFERENT ONE. Not make excuses for the slightly less shit one.

Tanthalas posted...

Because the party you want to help win is obstructing sending aid to Ukraine.

Yet again, I have not once indicated support for Republicans, and have said on multiple occasions that they are worse. I just don't accept "one other option is worse" as grounds to justify voting for a literal supporter of genocide.

Heineken14 posted...

What's your face when Trump wins and does worse shit over there and then rat fucks America again over here?

If Americans continue to pretend that these two are the only options that exist, and accept the support those two have for Israel, then it's hard to argue that Americans didn't bring the outcome on themself.

Tanthalas posted...

Israel was attacked and the US has a duty to support them.

Israel being attacked does not justify a genocide that was already underway before said attack and hugely ramped up afterwards. And the US has no duty to support even legitimate self-defense (to be clear I'm not saying they shouldn't do so, just that they have no obligation), let alone what Israel is doing now (and if they did have such a duty, they'd owe it FAR more to Ukraine, yet the aid being provided to them is fuck all in comparison).

Heineken14 posted...

In what real world version of American presidential elections are there anything other than 2 outcomes?

Show me what part of the constitution or federal law says that a third party's victory would be invalid.

Because it seems to me that nothing is actually preventing it; Americans just refuse to acknowledge the option exists.

bobbycorwin posted...

You can see the tracks. Its not like there is a third track that will magically appear if you squint hard enough.

I can see a drawing of the tracks which the person trying to manipulate the perception of things can choose what they do or don't include on it. In the real world situation, there would be multiple other tracks that the artist chose not to include in their recreation because they want to convince people those tracks don't exist; because despite their preferred track having some serious known flaws, they can't bear the thought of any other track being taken. Not even a better one.

Tanthalas posted...

First, saying that Biden is supporting genocide is simply false.

He's providing military aid to a country that is borderline-openly engaging in genocide, using the military aid they have been provided.

There is no fucking way in hell that that can be interpreted as anything other than supporting genocide.

If you aren't willing to acknowledge something as simple as that, you are not worth engaging on this subject.

ellis123 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5393f05a.jpg

I don't approach the situation with a mentality of "I really like this one track regardless of what harm comes from taking it, so I'm going to pretend the only other tracks that exist are the even worse ones".

Tanthalas posted...

If Trump wins because you didn't vote or voted third party, you helped him win. Pretending that you're not helping him win by doing that is a red herring.

So if Israel continues to commit genocide, those who actively voted for (and encouraged others to vote for) a candidate who supported them are not responsible for it... But people who don't vote for either candidate are somehow responsible for what the winner does but only if the winner is the Republican guy?

mistymermaid posted...

I shouldn't have to remind people which party wants to restrict voting rights, deny election results, overturn outcomes they don't like, and conduct an insurrection to install their candidate as a dictator.

And yet again, no one is supporting that party either, so this is a red herring.

When there's an election held in which you vote against rather than vote for people, it is very likely most if not all of these people will be voting against Trump. But that's not how elections in reality work. They involve voting for someone, and a lot of people are not willing to vote for someone who is actively facilitating a genocide, even if they would be willing to vote against one or more of the other options in a vote-against election.

Yazarogi posted...

what an incredibly ignorant thing to say.

Are you trying to suggest you're not actually advocating support for Biden, or are you trying to suggest Biden is not facilitating a genocide?

Yazarogi posted...

Just say you want Trump in power and an even more horrible outcome for Palastine.

Just say you want Biden in power and are at best willing to turn a blind eye to what happens to Palestine as a result.

Unlike the people you're accusing of supporting Trump (who actually support neither Trump nor Biden), you are actually advocating support for a candidate who is facilitating a genocide.

LonelyStoner posted...

You cant even criticize Biden on this board without someone saying But Trump!

They're both bad candidates and we need better.

You already have other options. What you (collectively, not you personally necessarily) need is to realize these options exist and the only thing preventing them winning is you all refusing to vote for anything besides either the guy the Republicans tell you to vote for or the guy the Democrats tell you to vote for.

A vote for either of these two is, more than anything, a vote to keep that status quo of pretending other options don't exist.

Scardude posted...

Are you saying this with Trump handling the pandamic or Biden? I didn't know which one you are referring to.

It's pretty obvious he's talking about Biden, given that Biden is the one the post he was quoting referred to as "compassionate" and the post in question was already critical of Trump.

videospirit posted...

This sounds psychotic. Did you even spend the time to imagine what would happen if you completely disarmed Israel?

Because thinking of what would happen and than going "Yeah, that sounds great" is psychotic.

Maybe Israel should have thought about that before abusing their military then.

At any rate, I'm far more concerned about the ongoing real world genocide than I am about the fantasy one Israel supporters claim (mostly using Israeli propaganda as their "evidence") will happen if Israel are forced to stop their one. We need to deal with what's actually happening now before we worry what might happen in the future.

And on that note, I never said a neutral peacekeeping force cannot be present. Just that Israel themself cannot remain militarized. Heck, I'm very close to convinced Israel as a nation cannot even be allowed to continue existing at this point (and that does NOT mean harming the civilians; it means booting out the government and military and replacing it with a neutral or non-Hamas Palestinian one such as the PA).

CommonStar posted...

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1775261427076649019

Honestly, we barely need investigations to confirm it at this point. There's zero reason to believe anything else.

It's a very real possibility, and it's what he deserves (or at least, the start of it; ideally jail would be next). The part that sucks is Americans being so shit scared of third parties that their preferred alternative is someone even worse, rather than someone better.

ZechtAurion posted...

How long till they blow up this bird's nest?

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bu01co/a_bird_single_handedly_removing_a_flag/

Lol @ all the removed comments (and the few they missed)

Israel must be demilitarized. No ifs, ands or buts. It's the country scale equivalent to how you don't let a mentally unstable person with a history of violence own a gun, even if force is necessary to remove guns from their possession, even if they claim (validly or otherwise) to have a self-defense need for it.

Yeah but it's thanks to craps that we are able to fart so be thankful for that.

I've always understood it to refer to full-on penetration. Never heard of "without protection" being a qualifier though.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

I was recently modded for telling someone to shut the fuck up. I'm tempted to double down

Contest it. Shut the fuck up is not moddable. (Neither is fuck off. On the other hand, fuck you or go fuck yourself are.)

If I'm living off the inheritance alone, probably 4-5 years. Maybe a bit more if I really put in effort to stretch it.

If I can still get income from other sources too, I probably won't even need to touch it any time soon and it'll just be earning interest.

Miquella posted...

Why would that even be moddable, let alone land him in purgatory?

I also saw the post in question and all he did was say that he didn't do anything wrong.

Mods are really arbitrary about when posts like that are or aren't allowed. To me it seems like the kind of thing where a mod should call out his bullshit, rather than moderating him, tbh.

VeggetaX posted...

I always felt ''No one asked for this'' is kinda narcissistic because the person is implying he's speaking for everyone and everyone is agreeing with him.

"No one" or "everyone" is rarely literal in these kind of statements. It's more to imply that the people who do/don't are so few that it may as well be no one / everyone.

If nothing else, it shows that they haven't abandoned it at least.

Kradek posted...

Damn, I just learned about Cael the other day thanks to Trumble sharing the thread about being the worst cook, however I thought it was just an April Fool's joke. I thought the solidarity of the mods nominating Cael was some sort of running gag, now it seems like he's been a legitimate thorn in their side all these years and they just naturally coalesce against him.

I've never been this intrigued about anything mod related before.

The cooking thing being a running gag (especially when he got in on it himself) and other mods not liking him are not mutually exclusive possibilities.

CommonStar posted...

For the people that continue to doubt the Gaza Ministry of Health numbers for some reason, despite it having a pretty good track record even prior to Oct 7th.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll

No one has a genuine reason to doubt the numbers; it's just another case of "if it makes us look bad, pretend it doesn't exist".