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Kirby321 posted...

That's hypocritical. So you can make contradictory statements and walk it back as reaction testing, but if I vote for you to see how you'd handle the pressure, that's a weird justification?

This brings me back to the Kingmaker days where you insisted that anyone not voting for you as king scum was anti-town. And you were scum that game, too.

It is a weird justification. Having a weird justification for voting someone and seeing how well someone would handle the pressure are not mutually exclusive.

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I don't mind being voted here, long as I keep my own emotions under check. But at some point, my honesty won't have anything more to offer if people just stick to guns. I mean, I can say "I'm adjusting my reads of people after I throw suspicion on them to see how they react", and others can say "He's just trying to see what sticks", and neither can be proven until I get lynched, which as recent history shows us, I am more likely to be right in that instance.

Kirby321 posted...

The thing that makes me hesitate on Han is because he makes foolish decisions on D1 sometimes. Like trying to push a lynch on townie Ben during the final hour of the day back in Nickelodeon Mafia, which is the game he cites in this post:

... Which yeah no Lea definitely thought Ben was town on D1. Damn near everybody did except you. I don't follow this logic at all, and yet, that's precisely the reason you got lynched as Town Doctor.

Also, this is wrong. I got mislynched because A. I was trying to push ANYONE to create content, and was blocked each time, including by mafia. Because I was trying to get something to happen, some small group of people got confused and pushed at me without being clever enough to see that the lynch was being manipulated by stonewalling pushes on Scum (and/or Ben who I don't really remember anything about from that game).

And B. Didn't claim Doctor

And C. Rate limited

htaeD posted...

That said Han, I dont think this 'you should see how town I am' defense is working for you.

That's not what I'm doing, is it? I'm just being forthright and explaining that what people are trying to grasp and call Scummy is just basic parts about playing the game.

During Mafia, you look for Scum. You make posts. You sometimes make posts to see how people react to them. Based on peoples' reactions, you adjust your thoughts.

During the course of this whole thing, it has led me to think that you and Sultan are Town. It has also given other players a chance to weigh-in.

I'm not afraid of being lynched. I'll likely die on an early night anyway. Content is good for Town.

Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah, going to be honest, not that big of a fan of the Han train right now. While it's true he's not as obvtown as he was instantly in Baseball Musical, he hasn't done anything especially scummy? My gut feeling is this is an attempt to get rid of a strong player early, at least with Kirby's vote.

But Hb, I said Lopen was "scared", then I determined later that based on his reaction to that post among others that I'm leaning Town on him. If that's not Scum, what could it be???

htaeD posted...

I swear I have seen other players make that argument that Han made about Lea
Maybe Han himself as well.
Its like instinct when voted for...

Hey, there's at least some variation to this.
Like, I think it's more likely for Lopen to hound me as Town than as Scum. Same for Ulti.

I think it's more likely Lea sees me as Town quick enough, as Town.

Obellisk posted...

So there was 1 game where Lea buddied up to you and you both ended up being town.

Now Lea is NOT buddying up to you in the first 5 pages of this game and has instead voted for you and this looks bad for her.

not scientifically sound.

You asked for an example, I gave you an example. Why are you getting upset that I gave you exactly what you want?

More to the point, SBell, you have specifically cited me as calling you Scum in "every single game", in the past. If that's the case, then why are you pushing me here? Shouldn't a Town SBell see that as standard for my play?

And more to the point, you've been loading up support to push me this whole time, but what you haven't done is backed it up. Seems pretty weak for you.

Lopen posted...

But why?

It's a weird justification for voting me.

I have identified no idy I would call likely Scum at the moment. I think the people who have been at the forefront are more likely to be Town.

To find Scum, I would look at people flying more under the radar (like Corrik), but I wouldn't really want to hound Corrik unless he fails to show up by tonight.

Otherwise, what I said about Red is still true but Red tends to not really have much impact until D4 anyway. I can wait until he turns back up insisting that he's done more than I have this day so far.

Also, Lopen, I haven't been caught. I've made posts, garnered reactions, and adjusted my thoughts based on that.

One might consider that as "playing Mafia".

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Oh, I misread it.

But again, I don't recall a recent game where I was Scum and you buddied up to me anyway. Might have happened in Kingmaker though I don't recall if you were in that game.

And I'm coming around on you because you're not just looking at me right now - you're giving the impression that you're keeping your awareness on other things too, which is more Town like.

I can also chalk your different approach to me up to me playing more subdued, which is a mixture of me being sick, trying to keep this as a pleasant game, and taking some Chris advice to heart.

No Lea, I said I don't think I have experience with you as Scum buddying with me as Town.

The game where somebody mislynched me as doctor d1 and then mislynched Lea in final 3

I'm already coming around on Lea.

Also Ulti scummoned

(that right there is bluster designed to pull a reaction from you)

PoppyTheNinja posted...

i agreed with han's fos on red, the rad on obellisk's opening post made sense

this again isn't great though and i'm not sure about the move from saying lopen seems scared to having him more on the town side

Damn defending Lopen pretty hard, aren't you? Know something about him we don't?

I will also stake a flag in Death + Sultan as likely Town as well.

SBell I have to remind myself if he bites back as Scum when I finger him as much as Town. Because he does bite back and then we get in a pissing match and there goes D1 but I'm going to skip over that part today.

Kirby321 posted...

Meh, I always think Han is scum. I'm never able to follow his logic at all. Like, I'm not sure what solid arguments Lopen has made this game at all.

That's not to be mean. IIRC, Lopen has done more questioning so far than actually making statements.

It's not solid arguments so much as being comprehensive.

For example, I like to point at someone and say "that post is Scummy" and then I'm right, but it's not as explained out. I do explain it, but I can only explain that sort of thing to a certain degree.

Lopen will display more logical thought.

Obellisk posted...

Do you find that this is a true statement regardless of your alignment?

I'm not sure I have the recent experience with Lea to answer that.

Lopen posted...

You did? Where? Post 216? A bunch of nothing in that one. Let me boil it down minus purple monkey dishwasher because that was funny but also distracting to the lack of a point to the post.

"Lopen makes convincing arguments but may do that as town or scum" (okay so you're saying I could be town or scum, great)
"Lopen had a particularly good argument towards red being scum" (I agree I did but how could I make a good argument with only 1/4 of a day of content)
"I was getting vibes to a particularly good argument" (WHERE?)
"I don't know if that's different from how Lopen plays but now Lopen is town" (WHY? I thought I was scared tho!)

Lopen, I called you scared to pull reactions out of you. I think you're probably Town because as Scum, I don't think you gun for me like this. I mean, it is early in the day, but Scum Lopen would be more concerned with finding something more inarguable to hang on to.

Obellisk posted...

I do not see how those two statements correlate.

Town Lea finds it easy to align with me. I don't think I would often, if at all, get pursued by Town Lea.

Ergo, she looks worse for voting me.

Lea and I are normally more on the same page, so her voting me this early does not look good for her.

Lopen posted...

Speaking of Han posting an awful lot for someone who needs to do it later.

And why are you not elaborating on your earlier Red thoughts.

Seems like you laid out a lot of safe options for pressure to idle vote in your first post and are now trying to roleplay a natural route to pursuing me because I have a vote on me.

I didn't say I wouldn't be able to post until later - I just said I would elaborate later. As I have.

You're welcome.

And I don't need to elaborate on my Red thoughts. You clearly didn't think about what I said about Red (despite responding to me) if you think that needs further elaboration lol.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

all these references to past games are indecipherable to me so if people could actually explain wht they mean when they say "so and so is acting exactly like they did in Purple Monkey Dishwasher Mafia" it'd be appreciated

Lopen has demonstrated in the past that he's good at seeming very Townish on D1. He uses a lot of logic and makes solid arguments. This is Lopen as a person though - he could make an argument that the world is flat and aside from being wrong, one would consider it a good argument.

In purple monkey dishwasher mafia, Lopen had a particularly good argument on Red being Scum. He stuck to that gun like a purple monkey in the dishwasher.

I was getting vague vibes to that from Lopen. What I didn't mention was that I don't know if I'd say it's particularly different from how he normally is. In fact, I'd say the bluster we're seeing from Lopen feels more on the Town side.

Lopen posted...

Yeah. It's called gainful employment. I can't always machine gun out every post of interest at the 8 minute mark sorry.

I asked you a question and you posted 3 separate times before responding to it.

I was just asking why.

You seem scared tho

Lopen posted...

Also "so long to reply" to Han is about 15 minutes. I find that interesting.

I made my post, then you posted like 8 minutes later, then there were 10 minutes between that and the post where you responded to me.

If you saw things from my point of view, you wouldn't think it's very interesting at all. In fact, it's a very very mundane observation from me.

Los Angeles Rams
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Detroit Lions
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Baltimore Ravens
Jacksonville Jaguars
Carolina Panthers
Indianapolis Colts
Tennessee Titans
Green Bay Packers
Kansas City Chiefs
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Denver Broncos

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I didn't even see it.

Obellisk posted...

Oh. ok. Well here it was just an exclamation as I was pleased my delay in entry did lead to playing catch-up.

But as you know Han, i'm always appreciative to find myself in your opening post in a game.

"Wow, I can't believe they shot Ctes last night. He did nothing yesterday" is the sort of opening D2 post that has the flavor I am describing, here.

Lopen posted...

I don't think there's enough data being so early into day 1 for this to have much value. Red was hounded for specific things when I was scum, not anything general about his posting style.

Why did it take you so long to come up with this answer when you were active during the time?

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*blushes*

Obellisk posted...

Since when are you so easily offend-able?

Obellisk posted...

A light start, this is nice. I was rather worried I'd have to walk into a page and a half.

A miller claim... meh, thanks for that.
Sultan is sultaning.
Lea doing a thing
Lopen doing a thing
Ulti doing a a thing
Welcome back Poppy.

Narrating like that is typically a Scummove.

Lopen posted...

Well then elaborate on that if you would.

I'll have to do it later.

You spent a day as Scum hounding a Town Red for posts he made - how do you compare that Red with this current one?

Samurai7 is a Russian troll

Lopen posted...

As opposed to what? Please elaborate on why you consider it similar in contrast to other games you've seen me in.

I won't.

I will only elaborate on why I consider it similar in comparison to other games I've seen you in.

Lopen's play is reminding me of Changmas is Taunter Mafia.
Red entering to tell Sultan that he shouldn't host is like, classic Scum Red deciding to not play the game.
I absolutely hated SBell's first post, but the others haven't been as offensive.

Her Highness, Princess Iolande

Super Chief

And it wasn't an army of toys and gizmos so much as an army of chocolate robots, or Amaikaosubotto, which is much better.

Also that fight was to Gimme Chocolate.

It was an amazing time

Level 1: Cincinnati
Bonus: Yes

Paratroopa1 posted...

Speaking of Matt Murdock, I started watching Daredevil since it went up on Disney+ and I got interested in the character

What a fun, family-friendly romp it's been so far :) jesus fucking christ I just got to the part with Fisk and his dad

Daredevil S1 is so good

whoa

seems low but Mister Terrific?

I'm not sure what Urban Dictionary says, but a scoop dunk is when you lift a tit then slap it down.

SHA is amazing in that she's just a standard teenage girl in her approach to how she speaks to Minerva and stuff, but puts on such a persona. It's a really cool presentation of the "Idol" archetype, where the girl herself is clever enough to be more than the Idol. We've also had more chances to use her but have shied away, which I would be glad to change.

Guessing Bonny

It's a basketball term, JB.

The problem with Wanda was that she was a scoop-dunk and Wong just keeps on giving

I love Teena~ she might crack my top 52 too if I redid it.

I will guess Kid Eternity here.

Maniac64 posted...

Man Jaime is a popular guy.

Poor guy gets abused by everyone too

I'm pretty sure Misty was locked away with food and water, and just finished it all. maybe not enough water and Zatanna by design wanted her to drink the font? But there was definitely food in there. Also the Star Sapphire in Misty is Debbie Darnell, not Carol.

The timeline is that villains had been being wiped of their knowledge of superhero secret identities and families - for protection's sake. The hero community was generally in agreement about that - specific stuff like that was okay to wipe. Doctor Light was the one where they decided he was just too heinous to be allowed to stay as he was, which yeah, is where you might as well have killed him.

Guessing... Deadshot.

Lono is amazing and also so frightening.

Snapper Carr

Buffalo - 31
LA Rams - 33

Mipha~

Inviso posted...

This is not to mention her general antipathy towards Saoirses recent advances as well.

All I seem to recall is Saoirse playing Nightshade like a fiddle :triumph:

Terrific I would guess is higher. Maybe this is like, Etta.

Ooh, good call. Not sure how I forgot that one.

Maniac64 posted...

That dude who was faking being a god.

Also, who are the two equated people at your base?

Tegra Kalmaku, who is the wife(ex-wife?) of Tom Kalmaku, who is a long-time supporting character of Green Lantern (Hal Jordan).

The other is Carl Zechlin, who is Black Alice's dad.

The half one is Savant, the guy who was a villain but also been utilized by the Birds of Prey? He like, forgets everything every so often which means he forgets the Equation, so he's in this state of continually being re-Equated, but having enough wherewithal to communicate by writing before it hits and his brain resets.

Not today
extended day 1 bad

we only have two and a half Equated in Z'onn Z'orr, tho