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I must be Lea because I just ninja'd the fuck out o' you Death.

I think you are Town, Lopen. I don't want to lynch you if you're wrong.

What if Roshan is like a SK, figured out that Corrik is hunting him easily (because Corrik made it obvious), Corrik targeted Town Poppy, and Roshan night killed Corrik?

I mean, for no reason at all, I would guess that Roshan is more likely an independent Survivor Paranoid Gun Owner, because that feels flavor apt, but it just feels a little too much here like trying to push the triangle through the square hole.

Obellisk posted...

Or town corrik just thought Poppy was scummy and did not properly guess who Roshan was out of 14 people. because those odds aren't great. 7.1%

Can't help but feel the effort here is to create a mislynch which you can then fall back on and said, "Well, logic was sound, can't fault me for being wrong".

I've toyed with the idea of Lopen Scum a few times, and I just don't think that he allows the day to end with Sultan being lynched, led by him, if he is. There wasn't really enough leadership in Town to resist subtle manipulations, so I think Lopen, posting how he had all day, would have been able to point things in a different direction.

I think this is just a case of classic Lopen finding something to argue and spending as much time on that hill as he can. Lopen's arguments historically convince nobody more than himself.

Lopen, Poppy has shown great initiative and focus on the game. He's clearly reading things and forming arguments, even if his read on some is wrong.

What you're not doing is giving enough evidence to support voting off somebody who has been 1000x more involved in this game than Red. This is speculation on your part.

Cody11533 posted...
Traci Thirteen has been one of my favorite characters to read about, I love the scheming.

There's also this element to her where she's just generally likable. She oozes personality.

Saoirse will approach, hair down casually, sporting her usual outfit. "Oi, Traci. Yeh have a minute?"

"Saoirse!" she exclaims, and she rushes forward, lunging at you with a hug. "I've finally settled my room. It's soooo lovely. Really."

"Ah! Hey, caerful!" She holds the small bowl of crisps aside as she wraps a hand around Traci herself. "I'm ah, glad yeh like it. Get a chance ta try the bat' yet?"

You hear the sound of your chips cracking and crunching, and the bowl becomes much heavier.
Traci pulls back. "I hadn't had a shower in so long. Sponge bathing... blech."
Traci feigns a look of disgust, sticking out her tongue.

Saoirse looks at the bowl as she leans down from the weight. "Right? Don't know if anyone gave yeh the story, but a numbaer o' us waer trapped in t'ese tubes filled wit' some suspension gel. Woke up aftaer a few mont's, and then had ta trudge t'rough Got'am's sewers. Me wit'out shoes."

"Oh, grody!" Traci gives a warm giggle before grabbing your wrist. "Come in, come in! Don't be so distant, Saoirse!"
Leroy looks up from the bowl, several chips on his scaly lips. "Don't be so distant," he communicates as he munches.

That was like, first convo stuff after bringing her back.

Lopen, please find the relevant Corrik posts that indicate he targeted Poppy.

I didn't mean literally random, Lopen.

MZero posted...

I think about 90% of my posts have been ignored. Feels good

I like every single thing you have said this game.

That said, Corrik said you were playing weirdly, so if he took a random shot at anyone...

I wanted to see what my Agahnim thing would be.

Kirby321 posted...

I don't recall him saying this. This is the most he had to say about Poppy besides saying that he wants to lynch him:

I did a skim earlier through my own posts because I didn't recall saying Sultan was Town at any point (turns out I said he probably was when he was defending me from Lopen/SBell) and I could swear I saw Corrik saying someone was Roshan at one point, though it's possible someone else was saying it.

Question though - if Corrik KNEW who Roshan was, why wouldn't he start by trying to kill Roshan?

I think in a game like this that has weird mechanics and a new-to-us host, being unsure and needing to double check things is acceptable.

I thought the healing salve was stopped by a night kill, when it just says damage.
I didn't even remember we passively get 100 gold at end of day until I saw somebody say someone on the Sultan lynch had 200 gold.

I see why you're aiming at the thing you are, but it reads a lot more like you're trying to force reasons of why the behavior is Scummy than accepting that it's just more likely that Death isn't lying about nobody visiting Kirby. That's a rough thing to lie about, especially for someone like Death throwing himself onto Kirby like that when Death didn't look bad yesterday.

Corrik just straight up said that Poppy is Roshan, right?

I'm reviewing your suggestions about Corrik actions, and they make a lot more sense than this ward passing thing.

Death saying he used it at day and it lasted until the end of the following night checks out there.

And Death, repeat what your result was?

Kirby, argument's sake, can you describe what your ward does/did again?

Occulam's Razor confirms that Death doesn't fake a watch on Kirby that he says showed nobody visited him.

Not with this many people unclaimed and with items being a thing in the game.

This line of thought is barmy.

Lopen more like loco

guess is Nite-WIng

I think you're not giving Scar full credit here in that one. I think Traci showed from the get-go that manipulative side. From the beginning, her attaching to Jaime was based on comics canon and stuff, but her big smile combined with how she used "ultra nice" to gain ground had that clever ploy from the beginning.

I think she also was playing Saoirse early on to get attached to someone important for protection and whatnot. That said, I think we've also seen a lot of the real her as well. On her own determination, sure, but I do think there's genuine connection between her and Saoirse, and maybe somewhat Brennus as well. And I think she's been mostly genuine concerning Lush too (though she plays it against Saoirse a bit).

There's also something to be said for the influence ON Traci - Saoirse says something to her, Traci returns the next convo and takes that thing too far, then Saoirse has to course correct or assist. It's led to this weird balancing act where Saoirse wants to influence Traci, but in a positive way, but not control her, and I think Traci is torn a bit between using Saoirse as her champion and caring for her on that close personal level.

Additionally, Saoirse helped push Traci away from Jaime, but so did Pepper. I don't think it was scorched Earth so much as Traci thought that Jaime+Pepper was no bueno, so yeah, she hurt Jaime and Pepper in a way that put her on the same side as Pepper and put all the blame on Jaime because she's a clever little bitch.

But you're also right that she's usually scheming. In her recent talk with Pepper, that was oozing with manipulation, and I'm just excited to always see where she goes and what sort of walls and plays she puts up.

She's so complicated! Very guarded, but lets the truth out often enough to let you know who she is and why she is how she is.

Everyone should RP with Traci more.

"However there is a third possibility. The insane rant was because he had correctly identified Kirby as Roshan with his day action. The vote idling on Poppy was because he was going to use his night action to townclear."

Lopen, this is literally insane.

Ctes is lying.

I received the mayo.

hahahahaha

(I'm joking)

This is where I would say "why does a Scum Kirby take the actions at night as Scum?" Where is the Scum equity in that?

I spend too many posts in these games saying "just because behavior seems odd doesn't mean it's Scum. Town is more likely to behave oddly!"

PoppyTheNinja posted...

attacking someone's case is a defense, and if anything it feels scummy to me because you tried to dismiss lopen's reasoning without taking a definitive stance on sultan's alignment

and you made that post about sultan but there was no guarantee anyone would follow you at that point and it's not like you really tried to hammer it home with people the way, say, ulti did

idk, maybe i'm just annoyed you suggesting i was bussing before sultan had even flipped

1. I said I had no reason to think Sultan was Town!
2. I wasn't attacking his case, I was attacking the idea of saying someone is lying to make a case. iirc I told Lopen to use other wording and whatnot? I didn't have an issue with most of his case, aside from that he was accusing Sultan of lying about stupid stuff.
3. I wasn't seriously thinking you were bussing, but in the vast game of mafia, I find it is more appropriate for loose thoughts to be given.

Obellisk posted...

Han may still be scum, but when he doesn't fight with me its harder to read.

This doesn't actually answer the question though. It is, if you accept I am Town, do you think I would be a worthwhile kill the previous night, over others.

Lopen posted...

No. It says it is cancelled by "damage" not "a shot"

What does it do if not protect against night kills. Tell me this.

Yeah I don't know. But I would assume a night kill counts as damage.

That's just the native English speaker in me, but ya know

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It specifically says that the health regen is cancelled by a shot or poison.

sorry, "incoming damage", not a shot

Lopen posted...

I assumed health regeneration meant to protect against night kills, personally. Otherwise what does it actually mean in mafia mechanics

It specifically says that the health regen is cancelled by a shot or poison.

MZero posted...

Hb attempted to pocket Han and thus I am inclined to believe he is town

That doesn't mean anything if Hb is Town, tbf.
Though Sultan did the same.

It worked out for Hb over the course of the day more than for Sultan. I forgot that Sultan was on the Han Defense Force until Death pointed it out in his readthrough.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

i haven't caught up on everything that was said overnight >_>

It's mainly pointing out that you were wrong in most of what you said about me.

You can ask Poppy, Lopen, Kirby, SBell, any of the people who have looked my way this game - if it is accepted I am Town, then am I a worthwhile kill target N1 this game?

No.

That being said, Docfear is a reason not to shoot me as well, so

UltimaterializerX posted...

Han. Youre here. Hello.

Do you think your town play is good enough to make you a high priority night 1 target? Im not being snarky here. Because Im in the camp of kill Town Han ASAP when I roll scum.

Lea was killed instead of you. I cant be the only one who finds that weird.

Depends entirely on the person, and if other people have done anything to earn a kill over me.

Lea, in this context, countered in a way that I think everyone said was Town aside from like, Ctes, I think?

Also, I've had heat on me and have done nothing to really prove myself Town. I'd have expected a Lopen night kill over me.

And Ulti, if you are Scum (I'm not leaning that way at all, but if you are) this game, I don't think you try to kill me N1.

(this is all ignoring that we don't truly have confirmation that Scum killed Lea and you saying it says that you totes are Scum confirming it lol)

I'm going to assume by the lack of responses that Ulti and Poppy understand what I said and aren't trying to suggest I'm Scum anymore :)

I've got some space opening up here to look back. Going to take some look backs.

ctesjbuvf posted...

So you used your night action saying you would visit the shop and not buy anything? How would you have guessed that was useful?

I almost did this, but just because I was salty that I had no money because I wasn't allowed to vote, and I would have been on the Sultan lynch.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

but sultan was the other person people were talking about wagoning at the time

if the vote was between scum sultan and town hb why would sultan not stick to his earlier stance and vote hb to make it less likely he dies? why does the mafia roleblocker make a volte on ulti that absolutely no one is going to follow?

Was the train anywhere near taking off?
And this is not meant to defend Hb, but as for Sultan not being around at end of day, it is common here for Scum, when they think they're 'caught', to stop posting to stop possibly giving more information for Town. Given where things were pushing, Sultan may have just been told not to show up for end of day.

IF that's the case and he WAS around, then my assumption would be that yeah, Hb is also Scum, and they thought it was better to just not give any thought to whether Sultan was bussing or not. And maybe decided that Hb was better to keep around, so better for Sultan to just afk to death for him.

Oh, sorry.

3. Ulti, I said that I was leaning you being Scum, but I specifically said I didn't like thinking that because you hadn't had a chance to play. I specifically said that. When you returned, I said I liked what you were doing. Please, if you're going to argue I'm Scum, make sure you are actually aware of what I said, please and thank you.

Hello - I'll probably dig into day 1 tomorrow to see if anything can really be gleaned from these deaths, but I'll address Poppy and Ulti real quick so you guys don't mislead yourself.

1. I defended Hb, but I did not defend Sultan. I simply said that accusing Sultan of lying was shitty (which Ulti is saying the same thing in relation to people saying Hb was lying about being AFK at day's end, so you understand where I'm coming from).
2. When I did show up at day's end, Sultan and Hb were tied in votes and I said to vote Sultan. Sultan got lynched and flipped RB. Take that as you will. If you think Hb is Scum, then your assumption is me, with my completely unnecessary to make post, said to lynch the RB over whatever Hb is. If Hb flips Town, then your assumption would be that me, with my completely unnecessary to make post, said to lynch Scum over Town.

Traci 13??!?!?

Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)

Cody11533 posted...

My random thought for today, how do y'all decide what locations/missions to prioritize? I've lost track of the number of locations that have been mentioned in these lists.

Ohhh hahaha this is a lot to bite into. Let me get home and if I have time before session, I'll get into this glorious complicated conundrum.

Tldr I work hard to try to make people happy

Rex

Bills: 45-2
Dolphins: 4-13
Patriots: -65-1000000
Jets: 2-15

Bills wins in the super bowl over the Oilers

ChichiriMuyo posted...

Wow... I'm not going to address your whole post... I'm just going to publicly shame you for this. Jenna fucking Marbles? You want to shit on someone else and you think Jenna Marbles is top youtube personality these days? Dear Patrick Star (Ulti) you live under a rock (yes, an actual rock as far as I can tell), try not living under a rock (and also try not to call others out when you're less in touch than they are).

Jenna Marbles, lololol.

this isn't the dunk you think it is

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

yeah, i wonder if more people overrate the tv shows because they're watching them through MCU glasses. i don't think any of the shows i've seen were great. wandavision was good but even that had a lot of flaws.

but i haven't seen hawkeye yet and a lot of people tell me it's great, so...

Hawkeye will, at the very least, feel like a cleanly written and delivered story. It watches like a comic book, and it has its moments of generating hype, and it's overall just a good standalone miniseries.

no way Starsa drops this low

it's got to be Demon of the Poster

Has been put in charge implies that action took place during the campaign, so Jesse

I don't think we talked Ramsey down, I think we straight-up just physically stopped him. But yeah, for killing a person, Pepper's melting through his neck to reach his spine to melt it to take his head off was probably not the most painless way.

Pepper likes melting through peoples' necks.

Half-Life is too old for Pepper anyway. Cute? More like cradle robber. He was like 40 when she was in diapers

Pepper needs to tell Half-Life an interesting story of her past when her high school friends were total bitches but she doesn't realize it

Paratroopa1 posted...

I thought the D+ TV shows were okay and then I watched Daredevil S1 and was like, oh, I was operating under a completely different level of standards and expectations

I think Hawkeye is great, I think Wandavision is great except it stumbles on the landing, and the rest of them are... ok-to-not-great.

yes

Lopen posted...

Corrik is probably scum and he hasn't voted so if anyone thinks HB or Sultan are town they should vote the other one to be sure

But Corrik has filled the topics with lots of talk about DOTA 2 and flavor meta and and and

Hb has given more heads up that he wouldn't be here than Sultan, right?

Think courtesy dictates that Sultan dies.

Sorry, I've been cooking.

Neither is here at end of day?

What are the chances that Poppy got Scum on his first game and since he has experience, he's been pulling us all for fools?

Ulti coming in swinging like this is what everybody called out for not being around should do.

But since he's the one trying the hardest, is he the Scum?

:think:

As we approach end of day, Sultan is probably the lynch I'd settle on. It feels bad to lynch Sultan d1 but I think he, as of late, has given off Townvibes a lot more when he's Town and here I've seen none of it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

105 degrees celsius is 221 degrees fahrenheit.

Use some common sense, dude. Water boils at 212.

He knows we're speaking Fahrenheit, he just didn't have the comparison offhand.

htaeD posted...

I think the ship has sailed on him being useful today tho...

Then it is behavior we'd be right to quash.

I like that Ulti's posts here are at least drawing battlelines.

Concerning Hb - his actions this game, while not many, have felt somewhat laid back and such... when this is occurring, does a Scum Hb really relax this much when he's being voted and says he won't be around for end of day?