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Lopen posted...

Off the top of my head Ulti and MZero had some Poppy affinity. I'm going to guess your other one is ctes but I don't remember a lot of Poppy interactions myself and I'm not going to be able to do topic 2 and 3 now.

Sultan
Poppy
Ulti
Han

Is not a terrible scumteam. Probably Mzero over you if I can't pick you though.

Yeah, it's Ulti and Ctes. I don't particularly lean either of them as Scum otherwise, but looking back at Poppy as Scum, both of them have a way about siding with the "whoa new player is so Towny" angle that attaches them pretty strongly.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/8/AAOJ0pAADqC4.png
Rule of 3?

Lopen, if Poppy is Scum, who is his team?

I've identified two members who strongly seem attached to him. I'm curious to see if our numbers match.

Lopen posted...

Okay listen, here's my detailed list so you can digest it.

Town
Lopen - That's me.
Chang - Seems to be thinking about the game.
Hb - low hanging fruit, case on him is not great. his defense about being afk and being frustrated seems legitimate
Death - Poppy is scum, if he was scum he probably lies about warding to protect Poppy. I'm frustrated with him not following me onto pressure but it fits his personality.

Probably town
Ctes - Think his attempt to digest the game is good. Really good content early today about Corrik's action and had an issue with hb being floated as the easy lynch too
Red - basically afk, but not necessarily scum. think scum red would actually have been scummoned by now to be honest.

Less scummy than people I think are scum, but possible scum.
MZero - he seems different this game. At first I thought "well this is town mzero motivated to actually draw town" but he is just... being lazy about it, so I'm not sure if he's actually excited anymore
Sbell - seems very non-committal about anything in this game

Roshan
Kirby - Lean town if he's not roshan because he's played his use of the shop and items in a way to confirm himself which feels third party to me
Ulti - Lean scum if he's not roshan. His ward sounds legit more worthless than Kirby's ability and I think he only claimed it to clear himself by existing in the game with the kirby ward. He also tried to bind himself to Lea. He basically seems desperate to attach himself to players and is being lazy otherwise.

Scum
Poppy - Corrik telegraphed it and his blind eye to investigating Corrik is damning. I'm not finding great stuff in topic 1 either. Him flipping out about there being a confirmed vig in the setup (there are reasons to be bulletproof that don't imply a vig-- vig in the setup is bad for setup reasons I've gone into) doesn't look great either
Han - Had some bad passive defenses of Sultan. Toothless. Flip flopped calling me town and scared scum within 3 minutes. Still remember this.

Holy shit Lopen.

I didn't call you scared Scum.

You need to open your eyes and stop being so stubborn that you're literally lying about what I said.

When is Ctes around? He said he had good case on Poppy being Town. I want to see him go into that.

I think what's leaning me towards Hb being Town is that in chang-taunts-lopen mafia, I gunned at Hb hard and he basically didn't interact with more than 4 people day 1. This kind of lines up with that.

Once I reread end of day I think I'll have my thoughts more sorted.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

That's not really defending Sultan, though? It's defending you.

It is defending me. I'm probably just jumping at straws with that trying to make square pegs fit round holes there. I'll admit it.

At what point did you swap onto accusing me, though? Only after D1 ended?

Vig tends to only have 1 shot.

Our first mafia game on this board ever had infinite vig and he roasted the whole Scumteam by himself. We've erred away from it since.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/4/AAOJ0pAADqCg.jpg
I'm reading this as, if Poppy is Scum, Ctes is Town and maybe Kirby is Scum.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/7/AAOJ0pAADqCZ.jpg
This feels like a weird soft-defense of Sultan.

Anyway, Poppy, if you want to defend against Lopen, your goal is to find out who Corrik telegraphed that he'd target last night aside from you.

Poppy, gonna burst your bubble here:

1. Vig would have claimed to shoot Corrik already
2. There's an item in the shop that allows killing
3. Night kill could be from a third party, like a supposed Roshan

PoppyTheNinja posted...

DUDE

CORRIK WAS VIGGED

HE DIDNT DIE FROM VISITING ME

(nice caps lock filter)

But he did visit you?

htaeD posted...

Han now I feel like you are just trying... something..
I didnt do anything to Sultan that mattered to his lynch in the end.

Also you are wrong anyway. The first one to look at Sultan was Lopen.

You looked at Sultan on post 50 of topic 1 of this game.

If Lopen looked at him before then 'oops' I didn't make a note of it.

Yeah, I don't think Lopen is Scum. I'm coming around to thinking Poppy looks Scummy by rereading.

But there's nothing wrong with considering possibilities in the game of Mafia.

Lopen said that if Hb was Scum, then Scum would be pushing someone else.
The only person really pushing someone else is Lopen. Just food for thought.

Additionally, since apparently I've been Lopen's no. 1 Scum suspect the whole game, it is REALLY FUCKING WEIRD that he hasn't tried to get my lynched at all. It's so toothless. So you know, food for thought.

I don't think Lopen is Scum, I just think he's got too many spears out, and though some (as evidenced by Sultan) are accurate, some very clearly are not.

Lopen posted...

No one attempting to truly analyze the game would question my towniness today

I solo lynched the bulletproof mafia roleblocker yesterday from practically nothing

Death was the first to look at Sultan.

Looked like he was number 1 Scum based on the list I looked at.

Anyway, Lopen, do you acknowledge that your read of the game right now is that like, 7 Town players are just being Scummy?

Second question Lopen - why was Poppy your number 1 Scum yesterday?

Leafeon13N posted...

Oh damn it the shop isn't coming up til I'm at work i was getting hyped for nothing.

btw, as much as I rail against Red, I would actually lynch him thinking he's Scummy for this post.

Lopen posted...

It is. It's just doing it in a non-committal way. Good scum play.

So you think SBell is Scum too?

Additionally, look at my posts recently - I found the posts about Poppy saying he likes Sultan more out of nowhere, and I read the post 204 before you got to it!

Nobody paying attention thinks I'm resisting the lynch. I just want to be sure. And I haven't been able to read back myself until like 40m ago.

Lopen posted...

I'd lynch all liars if Poppy wasn't 100% scum.

I literally asked you to provide more evidence.

That's not resisting.

I'm not resisting the Poppy lynch tho.

I'm not sure where you meant to say Han there.

I think, if Hb is Town, then the argument is that Scum is sitting back and letting Town cannibalize itself. Otherwise, I think the argument requires Ulti and/or MZero being Scum?

Lopen posted...

I just don't think he gets quite this much pressure today if he's scum. Scum would have found a way to divert attention by now.

I would argue there's not that much pressure on him, especially compared to the pressure you're putting on Poppy.

If mafia was pushing Hb because the lynch is easy, then why didn't they push harder yesterday?

Additionally, are you saying that Ulti and MZero are Mafia?

Why?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

omfg Corrik I was just about to talk about that post LOL

It's weird because Poppy says he can't keep track of people but specifically Sultan is the one he defends.

To answer you, Lopen.

Hey, Lopen, do you think Hb is Scum or Town right now?

Lopen posted...

Because I'm better at jokes than you.

I'll admit it, this is a pretty good joke.

Is that your actual answer though? Just asking because you're kind of being irritable and it's hard to tell if you just want to be a jerk or actually you thought that was humorous at the time.

At the same time...
Lopen posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Han

Sheeping Lea wins games. Let us slay this scum with alacrity.

This is really weird. Lopen, why did you directly suggest voting me, then call it sheeping Lea after she agrees and votes first?

I meant Lopen, not Corrik, mb

omfg Corrik I was just about to talk about that post LOL

It's weird because Poppy says he can't keep track of people but specifically Sultan is the one he defends.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/8/5/AAOJ0pAADqB5.png
Does Sultan try to call out a Scumbuddy like this? It's weak attack, but would Sultan tell the truth about his own Scumbuddy fishing? Feels a little unlikely

Also, my current theory is that Scum killed Lea, not just because she was likely Town, but because she was Miller Masonbuddies with Kirby, and by taking her out, Kirby loses a defense from a strong Town-leaning player

Who came out of the gate this day 2 swinging at Kirby?

Obellisk posted...

if corrik found Roshan. Roshan is dead and corrik can continue to town clear later.

I don't think corrik leave Roshan alive.

how dare you- nah I'm not doing this bit anymore.

I'm just trying to help you stay on track, Lopen. I believe you're Town, so I don't want you veering off on bad tangents.

Chris suggested I don't try to lead and play more of a support role. This is me playing a support role for suggesting you stick to the better parts of your thoughts and avoiding the crazy ones.

You're welcome :)

I called you loco for the whole "Death as Scumbuddy who doesn't look bad fakes a watch on Kirby, counting on nobody to have targeted Kirby just to make Kirby look better by fake passing wards because????"

Because yes, that was loco.

I said you were insane because yes, Corrik doesn't wait to kill Roshan. That is insane.

I didn't reply to the meat of your post because I didn't take umbrage with it the way I did your point 3.

Also, I'm not trying to discredit you. Can you please stop making that up?

Lopen posted...

calling me "loco" for even humoring the possibility that Corrik would have found Roshan and chose to be ambitious and use his ability to town clear,

This is literally a lie.

Lea dive is going to take forever, but:

htaeD posted...

Morning.

My first thought is that I dont like Sultans 1st post.
He was in Chris' role madness mafia. He should know what thats like. Calling it rough even with a simple game in between comes across as a forced statement.

Not 100 % sure what to make of the 2 miller claims yet. Though I am believing more of Lea. Fake claiming Miller is a bold move for scum. But maybe Kirby thought he could get away with it in rome madness.

Not liking someone's first post, especially when that someone is Scum, is very much a Town action. Scum see a Scummate beign Scummy, and if they think it's bad enough, they hop on them and murder them for clout. If it's not bad enough (most of the time), they probably stay quiet. I'd say this post by itself does wonders for Death's Town equity.

Also when is Rome Madness Mafia?

PoppyTheNinja posted...

lol i get the sense this is a funny place

More frustrating I would say. I'd like for it to be funny though.

That's why I encourage everyone be nice.

htaeD posted...

Hmm I assume placing observer wards would be visible movement
Though I guess it refers to the ward itself, which doesnt move during the next phase.

A ward couldn't detect the movement though, because Ulti's ward would destroy it.

It's not next level, Ulti. I promise you. I am being earnest and honest. Lopen is being stubborn.

Have I at any point indicated that I haven't had a chance to read back yet?

Yes. Multiple times.

Why would I be trying to make such a decisive argument while I'm also admitting to not having read back to where I can confirm your own read on Corrik targeting Poppy?

Lopen posted...

you floating the idea it might be MZero is absurd

You don't know what a joke is, do you

Obellisk posted...

I just wish we had something more concrete.

wOw LoOk At SbElL dIsCrEdItInG lOpEn

Lopen posted...

My arguments against you are not wrong

I am Town.

Ergo, they are.

Also, point by point there:
A. Accusing people of lying about innocuous things is still shitty behavior.
B. I'm not trying to say that Corrik didn't visit Poppy. I'm asking you to provide more evidence.

Point B in particular is why it's very easy to paint you as someone trying to force square pegs in circle holes while arguing about me - you're twisting reality to try to paint me as wrong.

Nothing I have done has tried to discredit you. I've literally said that you've had good arguments and have sway and all of that. Why do you lie and say that I haven't? All I'm asking is for you to provide better and/or more evidence.

Lopen posted...

No U!

Everything I said was true. I was being earnest. That's factual, and even if you don't believe me now, that will be proven at some point during or at the end of this game.

Your arguments against me are wrong. It's a case of you trying to force a point because, again, you like to find a hill and sit on it, unmoving.

Either way, I should have time to go reread soon.

Lopen posted...

No need to demonstrate that skill had my fill of it yesterday.

You did demonstrate that to me a lot yesterday. It's weird that you admit to making stuff up and still stick by this xD

In no world does Town Lopen say the word "element"

Look, I can make stuff up to push an argument too.

I meant keeping me on your Scumlist.

Lopen, it concerns me that your stubbornness is standing in the way of your scumhunting.

I will say, Lopen, I think your argument is mostly sound. When I get time, I'll go look through Corrik posts and see if I agree that targeting Poppy seems obvious compared to other choices.