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DPsx7 posted...

Consoles do work every time you ask them to.

Yes, that is my point (you're exaggerating because console failures do happen, but we'll ignore that). How can the simpler, more reliable option not be considered the "beginner mode" option when compared to a system where the user periodically has to jump through hoops to get stuff working?

Noop_Noop posted...

so youre just devolving to insults now.

Nope, just making an observation. If you find my observation of reality insulting, you should perhaps consider changing that reality. If my observations were incorrect, you should easily have been able to answer my invitation. The floor's still open for that, if you want to change the failure I'm perceiving.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

"Tend" is quite a way of tying irrelevant s*** to my point. What effects others is not applicable to my point and you know it.

It's not directly applicable to your point, but it is applicable to the real-world practical applications of your point. I actually happen to agree that the concept of regulations that exist purely for personal safety is overreaching into the citizenry's personal control over their lives, but in practice, there aren't many laws that are truly just for personal safety. The only one that comes immediately to mind is drug prohibition, which I do disagree with (if for no other reason than that it just doesn't work), and even that isn't necessarily the best example because personal safety isn't the only reason those laws exist (no matter what the people upholding them try to tell you).

Seatbelt laws? Being buckled up prevents further loss of control of the vehicle, prevents occupants from being ejected into other cars and causing further collisions, and reduces the severity of crashes so they can be cleaned up more quickly (helping the city's traffic function more efficiently, as well as reducing the risk to emergency personnel because they spend less time in the field). Helmet laws? Reduces the severity of crashes (see above), as well as reducing the burden on society that brain injuries can be (there are a number of studies linking brain trauma to aggressive behaviour). Most real-world examples have benefits beyond personal safety, and that does make the "invading personal freedom" less applicable for objecting to them.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

To your actual point, it's more invasive as it's more successful.

No, it's more invasive because it's more invasive. Being ticketed because a cop glanced in your car and noticed some missing seatbelts is infinitely less invasive than having a body forcibly taken away and carved up without consent.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It also doesn't matter to you once you're dead.

That, I can actually see being an argument in favour of the idea. That does fly in the face of the accepted cultural trend of the next of kin having authority over the body, and could very easily be interpreted as a violation of the separation of church and state (since the government would be imposing the view that there's no afterlife and the person won't be able to care what's going on with their body), but I do generally agree with the idea that my body might as well be used to do the most good possible once I'm not using it anymore, and I think anyone who disagrees is being pointlessly selfish. That selfishness is their prerogative, though.

DPsx7 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Which is why PC is geared towards know-nothings. Beginners who haven't graduated to consoles.

Oh the irony.

Nope, no irony. Steam is a starter package like kids with a cell phone. It has to hold your hand through all the steps. Quite a poor way to play. Once the kids graduate past hand me down phones and PC's then they get a console to play for real.

Most people cite the plug-and-play simplicity of consoles as an advantage over PC's because what you're saying is the exact opposite of the truth.

kukukupo posted...

quigonzel posted...

The most fun in any Disgaea is in the post game.

This.

Although the story on Disgaea 1 is pretty great.

That is true. I suppose "the point of any disgaea game is the postgame grinding" does quite a disservice to the characters and writing, and getting through the base story is fun for that reason.

You probably can beat the story, but that's really not the point of Disgaea games. If memory serves, the final boss of the story mode is like level 80, when the level cap is 9999 and you can store 168,000 additional levels by reincarnating the character. The games are kind of all about postgame grinding.

The specific term "incel" refers not simply to people who are involuntarily celibate, but specifically to those who are getting less sex than they'd like and are bitter about that, leading to a hatred of women and society. Those on life support tend not to be conscious enough to develop such bitterness, and those who are conscious tend to consider not being able to breathe to be a bigger issue than not being able to get laid. Somebody on life support can certainly be an incel, but that's generally not going to be because they're on life support.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

They are both depriving people of sovereignty of their body to save lives.

For one thing, most personal safety-related laws tend to also increase the safety of those around the person (hence things like skydiving, bungee jumping, and mountain climbing are legal, despite being personally risky). For another, they tend to be such blatant common sense that one could easily argue that anyone who doesn't want to follow them shouldn't be considered competent enough to make their own decisions. For another, one of those two is vastly more invasive than the other, rendering them pretty incomparable.

Asking you to point out the part that you feel I didn't address is asking you to make my argument for me? I take it we've reached the point where you give up any pretense of intelligent conversation and try to pretend you accomplished anything?

Troll_Police_ posted...

Its operating under the assumption that people like to be paid for their services.

And when the thing you're calling a "service" is described as a "needle stick," and later clarified as a vial of blood that takes 5 minutes to collect, the decision to call that a service suggests a certain degree of trypanophobia. Especially where "no amount of money would be worth it" is listed as the first option.

In practice, the closest real-world parallel to the situation you're describing is a blood donation, which requires about 1-1.5 hours in the clinic on top of travel time and costs, plus you lose enough blood to actually impair you for the rest of the day. Even then, though, it's that 1-2 hours of time commitment that I might say is worth compensating, not the fact that you get poked (twice!).

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Have not come across anything allowing me to cook yet. Nor did I meet anyone besides the Old Man and the Shrine Monks.

There's one spot where you'll find the Old Man hanging out by a cabin, and he's got a campfire there you can use.

Couldn't tell you how long it took me to get there, but I was similarly sidetracked by quests. Not that I really consider that a bad thing, since it's just a fun world to explore (this is true of all the Xenoblade games).

It was also only 54 days, not 132. The 132 days was how long it took him to climb the seven highest mountains in the world.

Troll_Police_ posted...

And he ignores the rest of the post where this was addressed

Nah, I'm pretty sure I covered everything. If you feel otherwise, please point out what you feel I missed, since I'd hate for you to feel like your hard work went unappreciated like that.

MrMelodramatic posted...

I dont understand the question

The scenario seems to be operating under the assumption that everybody has crippling trypanophobia and the only way they'd let themselves be electively poked with a needle is if they're being paid for it.

That said, health is important to avoid being one-shotted. Neglecting stamina can end up being frustration, but don't neglect health too much in trying to avoid that.

Troll_Police_ posted...

On the other hand youre a socialist (actually more of a commie, but hey, details) who believes the government should be allowed to forcibly take from people for the benefit of others.

Except it's not forcible if those people agreed to it. Nobody's keeping you in a country that taxes its citizenry. It is 100% your choice to stay and work there, knowing full well that taxes are the fee you pay for doing so. Taxation is not an example of "exploitation" as the topic presents it, given that it's a voluntary exchange for everything else the country provides.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If you can't force people to save other people's lives, how can you force somebody to protect their own? Surely by that same reason, personal safety regulations are immoral.

Did you really just compare seatbelt laws to mandatory organ donation?

Some light flurries, but nothing stuck.

I do it for free every eight weeks, schedule-permitting.

Bombs do a lot to offset the weapon breakage problems of the early game, especially where bombs are stronger than a lot of early-game weapons anyway. As you find more durable weapons with higher damage later in the game, bombs fall off quite a bit, but it's still just plain fun to roll one down a hill into a camp and blow everyone up.

"Here honey, have some candy that definitely hasn't been sitting in some secluded part of the house for two and a half months."

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

$0.006 is, again, 6/1000ths of a cent.

No, it's 6 thousandths of a dollar. The unit in that figure is dollars, not cents. 6 thousandths of a cent would be expressed as "0.006 cents." Note the absence of a dollar sign. Expressed in dollars, 6 thousandths of a cent would be $0.00006.

LinkPizza posted...

A million would get you about $6,000-8,400 for you doing nothing.

Well, except for everything that went into producing the song in the first place, to say nothing of how much goes into becoming popular enough to get a million streams of a song. There's a lot of setup that goes into being able to make that kind of money off of a song, even if the actual process of making that money is relatively passive.

LinkPizza posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But in all seriousness, you have it backwards. If the nation were run by Satanic cults, they would probably let people grope anyone without consequence.

Not necessarily. I'm reminded of the Satan facebook page making a post amounting to "If Satan needs somebody's permission to enter their body, so do you." Satan's all about the consent, man.

Satan maybe, but what about the cults?

Very true. Organizing a religion does have a tendency to get away from the actual meat of it.

LinkPizza posted...

But in all seriousness, you have it backwards. If the nation were run by Satanic cults, they would probably let people grope anyone without consequence.

Not necessarily. I'm reminded of the Satan facebook page making a post amounting to "If Satan needs somebody's permission to enter their body, so do you." Satan's all about the consent, man.

Troll_Police_ posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

I wouldn't say exploit, necessarily, but letting them know about that capability and inviting them to share it with the world would be fair game. I'm reminded of this guy:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/14/611074956/australias-man-with-the-golden-arm-retires-after-saving-2-4-million-babies

Was he forced to donate blood/plasma? Not at all. He chose to do so because he wanted to make a difference, and as a result saved millions of lives. He should be lauded for that, and anyone whose blood has similar properties should be invited to take his place, but never forced into it.

So what youre saying is that it should be up to an individual to give or withold to others and that no governing body should be allowed to step in to force them one way or another?

Thats a total 180 for you homie. Im proud of you.

In this post, we see Schmen equivocate not being able to arbitrarily deny people service on the basis of prejudicial hatred with forcibly confining somebody and stealing their blood (or other bodily material) on a regular basis.

Impavid54 posted...

I never sexually harrassed anyone.

Except for the coworkers whose asses you touched after ensuring you had something in your hands that would allow you to claim innocence when they accused you of groping them. Your "secret technique"? That secret technique is sexual assault. Don't do that.

I wouldn't say exploit, necessarily, but letting them know about that capability and inviting them to share it with the world would be fair game. I'm reminded of this guy:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/14/611074956/australias-man-with-the-golden-arm-retires-after-saving-2-4-million-babies

Was he forced to donate blood/plasma? Not at all. He chose to do so because he wanted to make a difference, and as a result saved millions of lives. He should be lauded for that, and anyone whose blood has similar properties should be invited to take his place, but never forced into it.

minervo posted...

knivesX2004 posted...

minervo posted...

You have such a weak and soft presence here that you've flown completely under my radar, but I'm glad you decided to come with your main.

If me flying under your radar means that I don't have to deal with you defending incestuous creeps then that's fine with me.

Also, I haven't used alts in years.
Go see for yourself if you know what my alts are.

You are a complete nobody. And all the respect and honour you and your pathetic gang of losers used to have on potd, is about to be taken away from you. Consider this before you decide to open that grave of a mouth again.

You're weird.

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

My philosophy is that: If it's been around before you were born, leave it alone. It was most likely made by people smarter than you and less brain dead.

That's a pretty dumb philosophy that doesn't apply well to much of anything.

Metalsonic66 posted...

The circle pad snapped off my 3DS too

The plastic cover came off of mine, but the stick underneath is still intact. I just need to get around to supergluing the cover back on.

OhhhJa posted...

I'm beginning to think Minervo may actually be TC's alt

Nah, TC's not that articulate.

dancer62 posted...

The other reason was the PC horsepower race where every upgrade was obsolescent within a month or two: processor, motherboard, 3D accelerator, video card, ....

That's really only true if you're trying to build a top-of-the-line computer, and even then the only thing that means is that your computer is no longer top-of-the-line. You'll still be just as capable of playing everything you wanted to play when you built it, as well as everything to come out for a good, long while. I built mine in 2011, and the only parts I've replaced are the GPU and PSU (the new GPU needed a stronger one), and even that was mostly because the GPU I started with was on the lower-end side because I'd actually bought it to add to my old prebuilt (but then it didn't fit).

SunWuKung420 posted...

Impavid54 posted...

I meant in your *immediate* family. brothers and sisters are EW. Aunts and cousins are free game.

Cousins fucking cousins produce even dumber cousins.

First cousins are distant enough (~12.5% genetic similarity) to be reasonably safe, provided it's just one generation and not a continuous thing (see: countless examples of "pure" royal families that all suffer from what should be rare diseases but aren't due to the lack of diversity). As such, there are many places where marrying and/or boning first cousins are not considered incest and are legally permitted. It wasn't that long ago that marrying cousins was legal in more states than gay marriage was, and the only reason that's changed is because gay marriage is legal on a federal level now. Second cousins are fair game pretty much everywhere because they're no more genetically similar than a stranger could be expected to be (3.125% for second cousins, strangers tend to be around 5%).

Now, aunts/uncles? They're the same degree of relatedness as grandparents (25%), and twice as similar as first cousins. They're not fair game anywhere that incest is frowned upon, nor should they really be because that's quite a bit of consanguinity.

That truth may require a little bit of sacrifice.

Impavid54 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Impavid54 posted...

I have not, nor will I ever sexually assault or harass ANY female or male within my lifetime.

So you had permission to deliberately brush up against your coworkers' asses?

I don't know what you're talking about

Post #98, which was quoted before you could delete it. Playing dumb doesn't change what you did, you know.

The truth is that monkeys are not actually made of bees.

There. No sacrifice needed.

Impavid54 posted...

I have not, nor will I ever sexually assault or harass ANY female or male within my lifetime.

So you had permission to deliberately brush up against your coworkers' asses?

This is... quite the topic.

RoboXgp89 posted...

what is exactly nationalist socialist about them?

The Nazis were never socialist. They just called themselves that to appeal to the disenfranchised youth of 1930's Germany.

mooreandrew58 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I've always hated using it that loosely. If you use it that loosely it serves no purpose existing as a term outside table top games. Because in video games that covers the vast majority.

Im opposed to being overly strict about it too but will generally concede to some games just have some or alot of RPG traits but not all. If being strict though I'd say a RPG needs stats leveling up equipment character classes some form of rng affecting gameplay like which stats level up and how much or if an attack/skill works and a blank slate character you get to make up, name class and if you wish back story.

That's why I generally don't care for calling RPG a genre of its own. Instead, describing games as being another genre with varying degrees of RPG elements (such as leveling up, character customization, stat management, party management, the ability to influence the story and the world...) seems to make a lot more sense, especially where those RPG elements have bled into so many different genres.

Same but I will call a game a RPG if the RPG elements seem to be the main focus or draw. Like elder scrolls. It's an action RPG but let's be real the action sucks compared to various other action games. Some people play it for the adventure and then people like me play it for the ability to come up with a role of our own making and living in the world presented to us. Few games get me excited to level up like a Bethesda rpg too.

I think that's a pretty reasonable way to approach it, if for no other reason than "action adventure with heavy RPG elements" is a bit of a mouthful. I'm still not inclined to personally think of games that way, but I respect your approach.

She's an anti-vaxxer with a PhD. I'm not touching that with my 39-1/2 foot pole.

zebatov posted...

That's because that statement is true. The Nazi Party is required for there to be Nazis.

Nazism exists as an ideology beyond the political party. Those who follow the Nazi ideology in a post-WWII world are considered "neo-Nazis," which is often shortened to "Nazi" because the fact that we're obviously talking about a post-WWII world makes the "neo-" part kind of redundant.

The Nazi Party was required for there to be Nazis. The party's ideology did not die with the party, however, and saying that those who follow the ideology since the party's death are also Nazis is accurate enough (particularly where the party is identified mostly by that ideology).

LinkPizza posted...

They wont listen, though.

Everyone listens eventually if you're stubborn enough.

LinkPizza posted...

The problem is, they wont look at it closer. They just want to ban it and move on.

So help them look closer. The pushback of "no it's a great song you're stupid" ignores that they do have a bit of a point, and that it's a discussion worth having.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Extreme right wingers can't debate substance so they argue over semantics. I can't recall right off hand if Zeus has ever done so but I know I have seen extreme right attempt to make the argument that there hasn't been nazis since the 1940s and have arguments about that rather than addressing people marching through the streets under swastikas chanting nazi slogans.

That was 100% Zeus after Charlottesville. He very deliberately danced around ever actually criticizing the Nazis in favour of the "you're all idiot SJW's for calling them Nazis because it's not 1940" approach. It was pretty alarming. And then we also had Kyubi there saying "The 'neo-' means they have new and improved ideologies so they shouldn't be criticized so harshly for adopting it," and I honestly don't know what to think of that except to be very, very concerned.

SunWuKung420 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Again, the full context justifies it just fine, but with anything less, it does get a bit questionable.

So basically, if you are taking the song out of its context and being offended by it, then you are simply looking for something to be illogically offended by, since almost anything can be offensive when taken out of context.

"Taking it out of context" means "hearing it after 1950" and "hearing it without it being previously established that the two characters are in such a relationship that this would be considered just flirting," neither of which are particularly active efforts to remove the context. I have heard recordings of the song where the guy just comes across as creepy because of how the characters were played, and that's because the performance took away the context of the implied consensual relationship. I've also heard (more) recordings where it is obviously playful banter and two consenting adults have fun being coy about their relationship.

It's not a matter of "this disgusting smut should be banned for promoting rape," it's a matter of "hold on a second that's kind of weird but I guess it's okay now that I look closer at it."

minervo posted...

Dont forget these songs are geared towards impressionable kids who know nothing about context.

And in a world where we're trying to teach those impressionable kids about proper consent. "It's okay because no means yes when she says it" just confuses the issue of consent for anyone who doesn't already know why that statement is true in this very specific case. Having this discussion offers the opportunity to clear up why it's true here but not elsewhere, and as far as I'm concerned, having discussions about proper consent can only be a good thing.

OneTimeBen posted...

But your PC and raspberries pies wont be there when you upgrade in a few years

Uhh, what? The exact configuration of hardware that currently exists won't exist after upgrading, no, but upgrading doesn't mean giving up the data or functionality of the current system. Even if the storage is among the upgrades performed, you can transfer data pretty easily.

Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

but the whole controversy surrounding it is completely understandable.

You don't understand why there's controversy surrounding a popular song that seems to be describing a less-than-consensual sexual encounter if you take it at face value? Again, the full context justifies it just fine, but with anything less, it does get a bit questionable.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zangulus posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

What were your jobs when you were three?

I didn't have a job, I was learning. As everyone does from the age of 0 to 5 before they go into school. It's not like they don't already have a partial education by then. Unless the parents just left the child in a closet for no one to see without any sort of connection to the world.

But I don't know, maybe you did.

By that standard virtually nobody's a NEET as there's always more to learn in life.

While that's not an incorrect statement, pre-school development is significantly more rapid than any everyday experiential learning that happens post-school, and pretty comparable to the volume of learning they get later in school. It's not formally education, no, but toddlers are learning enough every day that calling them NEETs doesn't really seem accurate. By contrast, an adult who isn't in school or working doesn't learn enough every day to really compare that to formal education, so "NEET" because a more accurate label.

rogerskg1979 posted...

Otherwise they are a ripoff.

Not really. $80 for 21 games of that quality is a pretty solid deal. Pretty much all of those games are easily worth $4. I didn't go for it because I already had most of the ones I cared about via VC or other releases and I didn't care to bother hunting one down (although they ended up being more common than I expected), but it's certainly not a ripoff.

You could maybe argue that for the NES, but the more salient point there is that most NES games aren't worth playing at all, let alone buying. That still doesn't really make it a ripoff, but I'd agree it isn't worth the money.

darcandkharg31 posted...

Blonde Zooey Deschanel was hot.

That's probably a more important thing to recognize than the presence of a random Christmas song.