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TopicNYC Mayor saying he will round up Jews sparks outrage on social media.
lolife67
04/29/20 1:08:58 PM
#32
Hexenherz posted...
If he is really targeting that one community it is probably to have a conference call the leaders of that community to voice those concerns, not blast a message out like this on Twitter...
Pretty sure he's already tried that. But even if not, he isn't bring anti-Semitic as has been stated. Argue there are better ways to say/handle it, sure. Say he's being a bigot, not so much.
TopicNYC Mayor saying he will round up Jews sparks outrage on social media.
lolife67
04/29/20 1:06:15 PM
#27
Hexenherz posted...
The point is that there's no need to specify one demographic if you're going to be all-inclusive in the very next few words of the very same tweet.
Well there is when one community is doing most of the gatherings and specifically ignoring mandates against large gatherings. Even if you'd rather he not specify, it's complete intellectual dishonesty to claim he's only targeting that community and allowing others to get a pass.
TopicChild Brutalized by Cop for Smoking
lolife67
04/29/20 12:45:20 PM
#182
Time_Rider posted...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/12/26/tobacco-minimum-age-fda-raises-age-buy-tobacco-18-21/2753807001/

I didn't know if it was in effect yet or not though.
Ah, ok then! So maybe the kid didn't know or think about the change? That's the only reason I can see him lying about his age.
TopicChild Brutalized by Cop for Smoking
lolife67
04/29/20 12:40:42 PM
#179
Time_Rider posted...
Isn't the smoking age 21?
I thought that was just for vaping?
TopicChild Brutalized by Cop for Smoking
lolife67
04/29/20 12:21:49 PM
#176
Makeveli_lives posted...
So there was no reason is what your saying?

Assuming it's true, and I doubt it, why would he say he was 18? He can't post for 18 at all. I'm thinking he lied about simply so he could say "l used the appropriate amount of force for an adult " on a child
18 makes it legal for him to smoke.

And @legendary_zell straight killed it!
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 11:42:32 AM
#196
ssjevot posted...
There is no way you can believe this.
I do.

ssjevot posted...
You, seem to not get how marketing works. If white people, the majority, didn't buy diversity stuff they wouldn't make it. Because it sells better overall they do. As I said many times already. If literally only black people went to Black Panther it would have bombed. That's not a big enough market. So they market to other groups too. It's like you think Moonlight won best Oscar because only black gay people voted for it when the Academy is mainly straight white people.
Nobody is saying that only black people went to see it. My point is they were the main targeted demographic for the film. Just like comics target white males but other races/genders still buy them.

But this is obviously going nowhere so we can just agree to disagree.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 11:35:51 AM
#194


ssjevot posted...
Not at all. Talking about marketing, means they know white straight males are the biggest consumers of many of the most successful pieces of media starring black characters. Saying something is marketed towards a group, doesn't mean it needs to star that group, as evidenced by...

First of all, you did say that something marketed towards the majority group/demographic then you should expect them to be front and center.

Secondly, Black Panther wasn't actually marketed towards white people, though.

ssjevot posted...
The biggest demographic that saw the movie was white straight males. They also captured many other groups as you note, and as such however many racists they lost were easily made up for by the other groups.
You should read this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-panther-box-office-numbers-show-representation-pays-off/

Diversity sells better. So marketing of comics to straight, white males doesn't mean they need to be the default.

TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 11:29:26 AM
#192
ssjevot posted...
Just as a reminder that's the post you originally quoted that you keep saying says weird stuff it doesn't. So please read it again. I am talking about the groups video games were marketed towards (and still predominantly are). I am not talking about the demographics of characters.
I don't need to as I'm not the one lost. You should probably read what came before and after, though.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 10:52:17 AM
#189
ssjevot posted...
You think the majority of white straight males only want to see things starring white straight males?
Actually, that's what you're saying.

ssjevot posted...
There are a lot of successful pieces of media not starring them
I'm aware. However, you stated that comics are majority straight, white males due to marketing. If that's the case then you're effectively saying they would rather see people who look like them, as opposed to other races.

ssjevot posted...
Black Panther was a massive success for instance.
Black Panther was as successful as it was due in large part to the lack of black characters/POC in this genre and done on that scale, actually. Black people made that a movement for a reason.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 10:21:00 AM
#187
ssjevot posted...
Both. This whole time I am talking about company marketing tactics and you're talking about something else entirely.
I'm talking about the "Why" of those marketing tactics, which is the reason it was brought up in the first place.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 10:14:56 AM
#185
Wait, this may help me understand... @ssjevot do you believe that racism/bigotry can be subconscious or systemic?
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 10:12:17 AM
#184
ssjevot posted...
Okay? How does that relate to anything I said?
It's the answer to the initial question I asked and the point I've been trying to make...how are you not getting this?
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 10:03:23 AM
#182
ssjevot posted...
Okay what is the point? Am I supposed to feel bad for comic buyers that they aren't being marketed toward or something? Or they don't like other groups being targeted? If they don't like the comics they can not buy them. If those other groups like the comics they'll buy them. If not the company will stop making them. I don't see the part where I am supposed to be concerned about comics fans.
Let me simplify it. If someone doesn't buy something based solely on the race of the character involved then that is racist.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 9:57:22 AM
#180
Edited, which should make things a bit more clear.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 9:55:11 AM
#178
ssjevot posted...
Wait what is my point here? I don't have a problem with whatever you think "pandering SJW crap" is. Or representation. I was simply explaining why things are marketed the way they are. I never freak out that almost all the media I consume in Japan is targeted toward people that aren't like me, because it just makes sense. Companies make money by targeting demographics, it's not some weird conspiracy. That's my point.
Yes but my question is why is THAT the way they choose to target them? Why is that effective? That's the original point I was making that you chose to respond to yet refused to actually answer.

And without reading comics nor frequent interaction with those that do like myself, you really shouldn't be dismissing my "SJW/pandering" point.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 9:45:50 AM
#176
ssjevot posted...
I assume in general if they aren't being marketed toward them
What makes you think they aren't being marketed to them? Are you saying representation matters? Because, according to comic book fans who are mostly straight, white men, that doesn't matter just "good storytelling." And if they do make characters that are not straight, white males then it's "pandering SJW crap."

Also, I think you ARE sure , or at least have some idea, but don't want to say to continue making your "point."
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 8:25:49 AM
#170
ssjevot posted...
If you're talking about Japan, you're wrong, it was straight Japanese men, if you're talking about America and Europe you're right, but it's demographics that made it the default. You market to the largest consumer group. It's exactly like the guy you responded to described.
If straight, white men would stop buying a comic due to the characters not all being straight, white men what would you call that?
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 7:26:13 AM
#166
shnangyboos posted...
But people are being educated to divide people into groups.
Yes and no. People are naturally tribal. What's being taught is what/who your "tribe" should consist of. So yes racism is learned but division, in general, is a natural human state.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/29/20 7:04:33 AM
#162
closetjpopfan posted...
An even bigger part of the problem is that a lot of people assume, incorrectly, that something is racist as long as some individual or group claims it is. Like some idiot on Twitter. Racism is not subjective, "it's racist if I feel offended". Racism is well defined, it's not something that anybody gets to define on a whim. That wouldn't just be incorrect, it'd be dangerous.

Human beings are not naturally racist, there's not some sort of latent racism in everyone that will inevitably manifest unless people are educated against it. That is a racist argument, that's exactly the sort of thing racist people believe, every racist believes in inherent racism because they believe that race is a significant trait of every human being. Therefore there's no inherent "race bias" or "systemic racism". There's racism, period, and racism is sometimes more and sometimes less widespread and incorporated in a society. That is caused by many complex factors, including how diverse a society is, how racially mixed it is, how isolated it is, etc. It's NOT caused because race is essential of human beings and/or racism is inherent.

You can't go through life playing "catch the racist". That's a sure way to antagonize and make enemies of people and NOT solve the problem. Could DnD and the orcs and whatever else have had racist intentions behind it, and have been made by racist people? Sure. And there might very well be at least some prejudice and ignorance behind a lot of things in this day and age, that's true. Certainly if you twist anything enough you can give it whatever spin you like. That doesn't mean we should all go on some sort of holy crusade, put on our inquisitor hats, and call for the condemnation of every less than eminently socially aware, diverse and egalitarian piece, point of view or preference (or their "accomplices"). Oh my gawd these fictional creatures who are not cis white male humans got called aggressive and bellicose. RACIST! It gets called stupid because it deserves to be called stupid because IT IS STUPID.

That's what "part of the problem" is.
This is completely wrong. You should read what Mr. Mallard wrote, as he's 100% correct.

And there's definitely such a thing as systemic racism. Denying that is denying reality and history.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/28/20 11:27:35 PM
#148
Suchomimus posted...
Isn't it racist for far left people to freak out over a fictional race's description and automatically default to associating them with black people?
No.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/28/20 11:01:18 PM
#142
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Would you consider a new character today to be racist or phobic if they were a straight white male?
Nope because society as a whole is different. Hell, the creators who are/were alive during the time say the same thing. It's not a radical concept.
TopicOrcs are trending on twitter Are Orcs in fantasy literature racist caricature?
lolife67
04/28/20 2:52:46 PM
#120
averagejoel posted...
racism is a system. society is racist; people were raised in society. that has an effect on the way people view the world. that, in turn, has an effect on the stories people write and tell, whether or not we realize it.

if something created by a person is in line with the system of racism (i.e. it perpetuates or reinforces ideas that are part of the system of racism), it is reasonable to call it racist, even if it wasn't intended by the creator.
The easiest example would be comics and how the OG characters were white, straight males by default. I don't think that the creator's were consciously racists but they were also a product of their time.
TopicHow do hospital staff have time to make those tiktok vids?
lolife67
04/28/20 5:13:29 AM
#14
How long do you think it takes to make a TikTok video?

And you didn't see these vids because it wasn't a thing before.
TopicY'all like Jesus Christ Superstar?
lolife67
04/23/20 3:21:53 PM
#23
Politics posted...
Yes it was awesome. The 2000 version wasn't that bad either, but the OG version is still the best. King Herod was hilarious, throwing bagels at Jesus.
I never saw the 2000 version but yes, the OG was fantastic!
TopicHan shooting Greedo.
lolife67
04/23/20 12:54:15 PM
#23
Mr Hangman posted...
The hothead at the bar threatens to kill Luke in a way that might serious but it's not initially certain he means it, then pushes him, then draws his weapon.
No, it's 100% certain he meant it.
TopicHan shooting Greedo.
lolife67
04/23/20 12:43:45 PM
#20
Mr Hangman posted...
omfg
Literally less than 4 minutes before that, Ben kills a guy who points a blaster at him before that guy shoots.
He didn't kill him, just sliced off his arm.

But yes, Ben would absolutely shoot first. Have you seen the prequels? Kenobi likes to fight dirty.
TopicLet's be real here, well done steak is fine. Most places I know just burn it tho
lolife67
04/23/20 9:52:34 AM
#28
SpaceBear_ posted...
That's a lot of words for "I have poor taste".

TopicGA, SC & TN will open despite NOT meeting trumps requirements
lolife67
04/23/20 6:38:27 AM
#55
NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Who's more likely to file for unemployment during this pandemic? A teacher or a masseuse?
Exactly. It's all bs.
Topicbeing a white Hispanic without obvious Hispanic last name is max privilege
lolife67
04/22/20 4:12:38 PM
#16
How is that any different than actually being a Caucasian dude? What makes it "max?"
TopicGA, SC & TN will open despite NOT meeting trumps requirements
lolife67
04/22/20 12:23:01 PM
#49
gatorsPENSbucs posted...
This is so strange down here in SC. Seems like a week ago was when we finally went into shutdown mode and then a few days ago they said a bunch of stuff was opening back up.

Other than traffic slowing down a bit at night and no sit down restaurants not a lot has really changed here.

....and about 30 minutes ago they closed schools for the rest of the year. This state is something else.
That's the other thing. If it's ok to open up the state then why isn't everything opening? School is more essential than massage palors, one would think?
TopicGA, SC & TN will open despite NOT meeting trumps requirements
lolife67
04/22/20 12:21:05 PM
#47
I like the fact that the Governor's Mansion is still closed for public tours, though.
TopicTrump/GOP aim to protect corps from legal liability if an employee gets COVID
lolife67
04/21/20 3:16:22 PM
#6
So will the federal government be assuming that liability or are they going to say workers who get ill would have no recourse to seek compensation? I have a feeling it will be the latter.
TopicGeorgia Gov to reopen barbers, gyms, bowling alleys, hair/nail salons etc Friday
lolife67
04/20/20 7:04:45 PM
#17
Squall28 posted...
Eagerly looking forward to hospitalization and death. Truly the humanitarian left
Inability to read. Truly the ignorant right.
TopicWhy are feminists like this?
lolife67
04/20/20 5:53:36 PM
#13
Master_Bass posted...
That being said, no way that image is serious.
No, it actually is. It's been a thing for a couple of weeks now. Black people have been laughing at it for a minute lol
TopicWhy is anti black racism so popular these days?
lolife67
04/17/20 3:27:51 PM
#10
Blue_Inigo posted...
pauIie posted...
these days lol

Topicofficial Saved by the Bell reboot trailer
lolife67
04/16/20 2:42:03 PM
#10
archedsoul posted...
Not bad. Who else is in besides Slater and Jessie? Heard a while back back that Screech was not down.

Also is John Higgins the new principal? Love him, but I thought Belding was down for this.
Mark-Paul is also in this. I'm pretty sure Lark Voorhies and Tiffani Amber Theissen won't be.
TopicLive from the Rose Garden: President Trump's News Conference!
lolife67
04/15/20 6:35:03 PM
#18
TommyG663513 posted...
I wonder how stupid he is going to sound this time
Very, so about normal.
TopicLive from the Rose Garden: President Trump's News Conference!
lolife67
04/15/20 6:34:40 PM
#17
Tired-Insomniac posted...
Is....is that an actual quote
Yes, it is.
TopicLet's discuss Hot Rod...
lolife67
04/15/20 3:43:32 PM
#17
ClunkerSlim posted...
Victim blaming.
He deserves it.

Questionmarktarius posted...
But, Megatron was stopped.
But at what cost???
TopicLet's discuss Hot Rod...
lolife67
04/15/20 3:18:02 PM
#11
Prime's death was his own fault. He shouldn't have been giving a speech and just shot Megatron.
TopicTrump and Covid-19 task force briefing soon!
lolife67
04/14/20 7:16:14 PM
#42
Christian RULES posted...
Damn son. That reporter got REKT!
Yes. Threatening to take your ball and go home is definitely very Presidential.
TopicTrump on twitter: Cuomo is BEGGING Trump for help
lolife67
04/14/20 10:46:06 AM
#3
This sounds like something the King of England would have tweeted at the colonies back in the 1700's.
TopicFauci just said Trump listened to his mitigation recommendations right away.
lolife67
04/13/20 6:05:12 PM
#5
People have been trying to use Fauci to push their false narratives, and that includes both sides. The man just wants to end this pandemic as quickly and safely as possible and his words get misconstrued and taken out of context. So now he has to waste time explaining things that would be evident unless you're a moron with an agenda smh
TopicDid you like nsync more or backstreet boys?
lolife67
04/13/20 11:36:57 AM
#33
BB only had 2 songs I actually liked.

Nsync had way more hits that I enjoyed.
TopicTerrorists use a time machine to go back and kill Jesus
lolife67
04/11/20 6:56:30 PM
#28
Proto_Spark posted...
full movie on youtube. Idk if I can share the link but you can look it up. I'd say don't bother tho, its not even good in a "so bad its good" kind of way
What if I add alcohol??

And thanks!
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