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HeroDelTiempo17 05/09/17 4:39:08 PM #51: |
Gatarix posted...
So yeah you could call it an adolescent power fantasy, and it leads to a lot of reprehensible actions, but I still liked it as power fantasy. This middle-aged middle-class nobody becoming the kingpin Heisenberg. No matter how far he took it, I couldn't stop rooting for him. Yeah that's fine. I think you're allowed to like characters that are bad people, and root for them to be on top. I don't like Walt as a person, but I think he's a good character, and that kept me watching the show. I think most people ITT who said they don't like Walt expressed similar opinions. But, there's a difference between all that and unironically claiming Walter White did nothing wrong. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HotDogButts 05/09/17 4:48:49 PM #52: |
liked Walt the whole way through, rooted for him the whole way through
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EndOfDiscOne 05/09/17 4:49:57 PM #53: |
Wasn't Brock a Sonic fan?
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pjbasis 05/09/17 5:02:02 PM #54: |
Jeez not saying he was a saint.
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scarletspeed7 05/09/17 5:03:42 PM #55: |
Can we get back to the bizarre claim that the Joker is well-written?
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FFDragon 05/09/17 5:11:14 PM #56: |
pjbasis posted...
but still in a delusional this is for the best kind of way. Maybe in the very, very beginning, but that went away super quickly once he put on the hat and became Heisenberg. The 'Say my name' and 'I am the one who knocks' stuff, he loved having that power more than anything else after living his life in perpetual mediocrity. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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whoa 05/09/17 5:11:23 PM #57: |
nerdy little science "Bitch" .
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foolm0r0n 05/09/17 5:14:23 PM #58: |
PerfectChaosZ posted...
Oh yeah I totally felt the remorse when he smugly told Jesse to his face just to destroy him with the last thing he'll ever hear. Yeah that totally happened in S2 and not literally 40 episodes later --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/09/17 5:19:24 PM #59: |
Nanis23 posted...
I never felt like he could stop making meth $737k That's what he needed to support his family I'll let you figure out how early in the series he had access to that much --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 05/09/17 5:41:48 PM #60: |
You can enjoy your power trip and still think it's for ultimately for the best.
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PerfectChaosZ 05/09/17 5:43:31 PM #61: |
foolm0r0n posted...
PerfectChaosZ posted...Oh yeah I totally felt the remorse when he smugly told Jesse to his face just to destroy him with the last thing he'll ever hear. So he felt remorse about literally letting someone innocent his surrogate son loved die but only for like six months max when he never seemed to express any indication that he even remembered that happened till he needed more fuel to crush Jesse with. What a paragon of virtue. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 05/09/17 5:47:24 PM #62: |
He shows pretty real remorse in that episode with the fly. Gloating about killing Jane in S5 is just a spur of the moment thing he does because he's pissed off. Also it's part of the "hey Walt is BAD let's beat you over the head with it" initiative in S5.
In any case I'd trust sleep deprived delirious Walt's feelings as genuine over ragemonster Walt even ignoring S5's tendency to force certain things. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 05/09/17 5:53:08 PM #63: |
KamikazePotato posted...
Remember when Walter was offered a cushy, high-paying job by his old friends that would have solved all his money problems, and didn't take it because of an egotistical grudge, preferring to literally cook & sell meth instead? It wasn't just an egotistical grudge. His "old friends" literally took his research and used it to make themselves rich. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 05/09/17 5:58:15 PM #64: |
Also he didn't manipulate
So yes, that's part of the genius of Breaking Bad. The amount of horrific things Walt is forced to do, and how many of them you stay on his side for because of the horrific alternatives. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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baubeta 05/09/17 6:15:23 PM #65: |
I remember thinking the show turned Walt into a cartoon villain between two episodes. I want to say 5-3 and 5-4? It took me out of the show because it seemed obvious to me the writers went "ok, now he's just gonna be pure evil".
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pjbasis 05/09/17 6:40:35 PM #66: |
FFDragon posted...
pjbasis posted...but still in a delusional this is for the best kind of way. For sure. That's what makes him flawed and interesting and villainous. Unlikable is a bad word --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 05/09/17 6:50:50 PM #67: |
I think unlikable is pretty solid in this situation.
And yeah, his manipulations of Jesse weren't without reason but the entire show is about how Walt manipulates someone much dumber than him for his own purposes. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 05/09/17 6:56:45 PM #68: |
That's a recurring theme but not really what the show is about imo. I'd say Walt cleans up Jesse's messes, oftentimes to his own detriment, more often than he manipulates him.
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pjbasis 05/09/17 7:03:43 PM #69: |
Walt tries to keep Jesse alive so hard too
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KingBartz 05/09/17 7:23:13 PM #70: |
One of Walt's characteristics is his pragmatism which is what drives him to do normally unconscionable things like --- DpOblivion won the Guru contest... and my heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6vAyJ5r_20 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/09/17 7:32:07 PM #71: |
PerfectChaosZ posted...
So he felt remorse about literally letting someone innocent his surrogate son loved die but only for like six months max when he never seemed to express any indication that he even remembered that happened till he needed more fuel to crush Jesse with Pretty much? But it was clear that when he was in that room it was a tough decision. But he was glad he did it, which I guess makes him not so remorseful. Similar to killing Krazy 8. Still, it is definitely an important thing he thinks about a lot. The reference in Fly is one thing, but the fact that he uses it as THE megaton to drop on Jesse, the person he hated the most at that moment, proves that he realizes it's one of the worst and most cruel things he's ever done, which he continues to carry with him. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PerfectChaosZ 05/09/17 8:13:28 PM #72: |
foolm0r0n posted...
PerfectChaosZ posted...So he felt remorse about literally letting someone innocent his surrogate son loved die but only for like six months max when he never seemed to express any indication that he even remembered that happened till he needed more fuel to crush Jesse with It was just the most terrible thing he ever did directly to Jesse that Jesse didn't already know about. And he knew it would crush him too. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zazabar 05/09/17 8:13:58 PM #73: |
KingBartz posted...
THANK YOU. It's as if people can't see any of this. I felt like Walter was justified in many of the things he did. I will admit it was his fault for what happened to many people in season 5. Damn it man, On that note, he really tried to help Jesse towards the end of the show and Jesse was going crazy throwing his money away like an idiot. I get he felt terrible because of the kid but doing what he did wasn't safe or smart. What a great show. --- http://raptr.com/Zazabar/games http://steamcommunity.com/id/killer2001 You'll see...I'll still be Andy's favorite toy. >:) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/09/17 8:55:41 PM #74: |
PerfectChaosZ posted...
It was just the most terrible thing he ever did directly to Jesse that Jesse didn't already know about. And he knew it would crush him too. I guess Jesse knew about Brock by that point already. But did Walt know that Jesse knew? --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/09/17 8:58:03 PM #75: |
Zazabar posted...
I felt like Walter was justified in many of the things he did He justifies everything to himself, but so does every evil person in history. If his actions are justified to you, then YOU totally missed the point. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spooky96 05/09/17 11:05:31 PM #76: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Can we get back to the bizarre claim that the Joker is well-written? Joker is a great character "More topics from this board..." Wow, some of the B8 is ridiculously lame-ass. --- Congrats DpObliVion for wrecking gurus From the place of your birth to the ends of the Earth~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadosneko 05/09/17 11:59:04 PM #77: |
Many of the reprehensible things that Walt says are typically part of an overarching plan, and doesn't always mean what he says. He's willing to drag his own reputation through the mud to get what he thinks is best.
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foolm0r0n 05/10/17 12:36:38 AM #78: |
Damn that's actually true
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ImTheMacheteGuy 05/10/17 2:09:50 AM #79: |
I never disliked him and always rooted for him
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Lopen 05/10/17 2:27:12 AM #80: |
shadosneko posted...
S5 I believe him I was going to say that as well with the fly post but I forgot the exact context when he said that stuff It would be consistent to how he Definitely would make sense especially with how he --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CaptainOfCrush 05/10/17 2:37:49 AM #81: |
ExThaNemesis posted...
It wasn't just an egotistical grudge. His "old friends" literally took his research and used it to make themselves rich. That's Walt's side of the story (and even then, I don't recall him ever outright discrediting them like that). We never got the truth because that part of his life was never elaborated on in much detail. Anyway, Walt did some monstrous things as early as Season 2, but fans still liked him because he was written as a likable character, because he was somewhat of a plucky underdog the entire time, and because the other main character, Jesse, was a pretty unlikable douche through most of the first three seasons. This only really changed in season five when the writers decided to paint Walt in a much less sympathetic light. IIRC they pulled this off in a few ways - Making him openly disrespectful toward Mike. This didn't sit well with fans since everyone LOVED Mike. - Turning him into a super creepy pervert with Skylar. No one liked Skylar, but creepy old pervs are never popular. - Allying him with the white power gang, who were super lame and uninteresting compared to the show's earlier antagonists --- Yoblazer http://i.imgur.com/gByqgPg.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 05/10/17 2:59:02 AM #82: |
Yeah my god the white power gang were a horrid final boss
but the way Walt solo'd them was pretty satisfying. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 05/10/17 3:13:02 AM #83: |
Whoa whoa
Saying Jesse was unlikable is even worse than saying Walt was. Dude was a lovable loser most of the time imo --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook 05/10/17 4:32:59 AM #84: |
Walter was only likable because the people he surrounded himself with were whiny (Skyler, Walt Jr, Jesse, Marie, Hank, etc), and no one enjoys whiny characters.
The side characters such as Saul, Mike, and Gus were always leagues better than Walter. --- Bells, bells, bells! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BowserCuffs 05/10/17 5:51:38 AM #85: |
I haven't watched the show but what little I've heard about it...
My impression can be summed up by a single trope: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Villain protagonists have to be enjoyably evil and from what I've read in this thread, even from the people praising him, he just sounds cringey evil. Like, "never my fault" except when we're supposed to feel bad for him when he blames himself or something (if he ever does) And apparently the writers had to surround him with whiney people just to make him remotely relatable in the first place, which is not a good sign. I'm glad I gave this show a miss, then. --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/10/17 9:17:25 AM #86: |
I don't know, I kind of liked the nazis. I thought they were entertaining especially with how they joked with Todd about wanting to bang Lydia. And Todd was a charming psycho.
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HaRRicH 05/10/17 9:19:49 AM #87: |
Lots of interesting commentary here. I think an undeniable aspect of Walter White's charisma -- maybe likeability wasn't the right word, but people enjoyed watching him -- that charisma came from the performance of Brian Cranston. This was a top-of-his-generation performance that came from the silly premise of "What if a chemistry teacher started selling meth?"
The writing, directing, and nearly everything else about the show was already really really good. Cranston nailed this great opportunity though in a way few actors ever could. As goofy as the first season was in his fumbling and as awful as he was by the end, every step of the way Cranston made him feel human and that was a huge draw to the show. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 05/10/17 9:23:50 AM #88: |
I'll also add that one of the last things I remember realo posted around here was about how Breaking Bad had a bunch of commentary on the white male power fantasy. I wish he had elaborated on that because I've heard that about Fight Club before and wondered what the analysis for those two would be like, you know, beyond "white loser goes on to beat some ass."
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Dfy556 05/10/17 9:25:17 AM #89: |
OliviaTremor posted...
He's pretty much an egotistical dick. That's why he's so great! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/10/17 9:26:03 AM #90: |
HaRRicH posted...
I'll also add that one of the last things I remember realo posted around here was about how Breaking Bad had a bunch of commentary on the white male power fantasy. I wish he had elaborated on that because I've heard that about Fight Club before and wondered what the analysis for those two would be like, you know, beyond "white loser goes on to beat some ass." I miss realopinions --- Ulti was right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dfy556 05/10/17 9:32:17 AM #91: |
Walter White is great because he doesn't give a fuck about anyone else at the height of his power. Everybody secretly wants to be that guy. I know I'd love the power and money, but more than anything the sheer feeling of superiority that comes with making the best meth ever because you were smarter than everyone else. He should have been a billionaire. He got a second chance and he took it. I find that very appealing and that's why I like him so much. I don't care if he's done terrible things, he did what he wanted and there are so many people in the world who don't live for themselves that sometimes it's refreshing to see someone throw all that shit out the window and just take the world by storm. Great show. Lots of great quotes too. That last conversation with Skyler in particular.
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KingButz 05/10/17 9:37:09 AM #92: |
BowserCuffs posted...
I haven't watched the show but what little I've heard about it... Respectfully, you have no idea what you're talking about and sound ignorant --- rip imgcake ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dfy556 05/10/17 9:42:14 AM #93: |
Gatarix posted...
I found Walt likable all the way. Obviously he does a lot of terrible things but I still found myself rooting for him the whole time. Yeah, ditto. There's millions of people just like Walt out there. People who live mediocre, unfulfilling lives. Walt blows that out of the water and takes charge of his life. He became a crimelord and outsmarted so many different people along the way. I liked all of it, and I didn't find him that terrible. The people he killed were scum anyway. The poisoned kid? Eh, his mom dies anyway. Probably better off dead. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket_pub 05/10/17 9:43:47 AM #94: |
Dfy556 posted...
Walter White is great because he doesn't give a fuck about anyone else at the height of his power. Everybody secretly wants to be that guy. I know I'd love the power and money, but more than anything the sheer feeling of superiority that comes with making the best meth ever because you were smarter than everyone else. He should have been a billionaire. He got a second chance and he took it. I find that very appealing and that's why I like him so much. I don't care if he's done terrible things, he did what he wanted and there are so many people in the world who don't live for themselves that sometimes it's refreshing to see someone throw all that shit out the window and just take the world by storm. Great show. Lots of great quotes too. That last conversation with Skyler in particular. Sociopath alert. --- Blasting off ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/10/17 9:44:48 AM #95: |
BowserCuffs posted...
I haven't watched the show but what little I've heard about it... What an ignorant post. You sound like you don't want to believe the show is good. --- Ulti was right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kevwaffles 05/10/17 9:51:30 AM #96: |
shadosneko posted...
Many of the reprehensible things that Walt says are typically part of an overarching plan, and doesn't always mean what he says. He's willing to drag his own reputation through the mud to get what he thinks is best. Umm, you realize he thought --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/10/17 10:43:01 AM #97: |
BowserCuffs posted...
I haven't watched the show Wow your opinion will definitely be really insightful then --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/10/17 10:43:47 AM #98: |
CaptainOfCrush posted...
- Turning him into a super creepy pervert with Skylar. No one liked Skylar, but creepy old pervs are never popular. This happened in S2. Y'all need to rewatch for sure. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HaRRicH 05/10/17 11:17:48 AM #99: |
^thought that was Season 1...been a minute.
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foolm0r0n 05/10/17 12:04:02 PM #100: |
I thought it was S1 too, it's when he's bald, but there's only 1.5 episodes of S1 where he's bald. Might be the first episode of S2 actually.
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