Current Events > Dragon Age 4 will "be political and celebrate diversity"

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Hasn't the series had terrible sjw writing since like the second game?
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Art has always been political throughout human history.
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Is that what Dragon Age has been about?

I only played the first one and it mostly seemed about fighting pseudo-orcs and a demon-dragon and some political backstabbing. And fucking a swamp witch.

I don't remember much about coming together because we are all we have or anything like that.
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Moth366 posted...

2. He morally grandstands upon his politics. "I can't help but be political, my politics are for goodness and against evil."

ergo he is consciously saying "I consider it a moral good to spread my political ideology."

Unlike all of the people who go man, my political views are super shitty and promote evil. It will be a detriment to society if I attempt to spread my beliefs
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Esrac posted...

Is that what Dragon Age has been about?

I only played the first one and it mostly seemed about fighting pseudo-orcs and a demon-dragon and some political backstabbing. And fucking a swamp witch.

I don't remember much about coming together because we are all we have or anything like that.

Then you really didn't pay much attention to the game you played tbh.

It's a major theme of it.
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Funkydog posted...

Esrac posted...

Is that what Dragon Age has been about?

I only played the first one and it mostly seemed about fighting pseudo-orcs and a demon-dragon and some political backstabbing. And fucking a swamp witch.

I don't remember much about coming together because we are all we have or anything like that.

Then you really didn't pay much attention to the game you played tbh.

It's a major theme of it.

I don't know, it seemed more like a group of people and political frenemies begrudgingly cooperating, or not, to not be murdered and raped by the dark spawn horde.

I don't remember a lot of coming togetherness from Alistair when I opted to make Loghain a Grey Warden or Leliana when I dumped blood in those sacred ashes.
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tennisdude818 posted...

AmericaTheBrave posted...

refmon posted...

What the hell ever happened to escapism?

It's still there.

Go play Mario or any other children's game if you want to be completely free from political or challenging messages.

Media for adults tend to have things to say.

Basic bitch SJWism is the easiest political message for a corporation to put forward. What challenge?

It's clearly challenging you since you're throwing a fit about it.
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

AmericaTheBrave posted...

refmon posted...

What the hell ever happened to escapism?

It's still there.

Go play Mario or any other children's game if you want to be completely free from political or challenging messages.

Media for adults tend to have things to say.

Basic bitch SJWism is the easiest political message for a corporation to put forward. What challenge?

It's clearly challenging you since you're throwing a fit about it.

So you have to pretend that Im throwing a fit to have an answer to my question.
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Esrac posted...

Funkydog posted...

Esrac posted...

Is that what Dragon Age has been about?

I only played the first one and it mostly seemed about fighting pseudo-orcs and a demon-dragon and some political backstabbing. And fucking a swamp witch.

I don't remember much about coming together because we are all we have or anything like that.

Then you really didn't pay much attention to the game you played tbh.

It's a major theme of it.

I don't know, it seemed more like a group of people and political frenemies begrudgingly cooperating, or not, to not be murdered and raped by the dark spawn horde.

I don't remember a lot of coming togetherness from Alistair when I opted to make Loghain a Grey Warden or Leliana when I dumped blood in those sacred ashes.

Really, you don't remember the entire alliance building of bringing together Elves, Dwarves, and Mages together with the remnants of Ferelden forces to fight against the blight? Your memory must suck since that was roughly 2/3rds of the fucking game.
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Esrac posted...

Funkydog posted...

Esrac posted...

Is that what Dragon Age has been about?

I only played the first one and it mostly seemed about fighting pseudo-orcs and a demon-dragon and some political backstabbing. And fucking a swamp witch.

I don't remember much about coming together because we are all we have or anything like that.

Then you really didn't pay much attention to the game you played tbh.

It's a major theme of it.

I don't know, it seemed more like a group of people and political frenemies begrudgingly cooperating, or not, to not be murdered and raped by the dark spawn horde.

I don't remember a lot of coming togetherness from Alistair when I opted to make Loghain a Grey Warden or Leliana when I dumped blood in those sacred ashes.

Even if you play an asshole, the message is still there. You're just playing someone who rejects the message in favor of "might makes right."
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........oh my gosh, I don't care.

I'm cool with diversity in games, I just miss the days when developers would brag about how good their game is for the gameplay, story, graphics...etc instead of bragging about how good their game is for the political stance it takes.

It just seems like devs are putting out mediocre games and using social justice to deflect and/or quell legitimate criticism.
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Nick_Saban posted...

I'm cool with diversity in games, I just miss the days when developers would brag about how good their game is for the gameplay, story, graphics...etc instead of bragging about how good their game is for the political stance it takes.

It just seems like devs are putting out mediocre games and using social justice to deflect and/or quell legitimate criticism.

They do it for social media clicks. This kind of thing gets them lots of press from gaming journalists who write articles about how "brave" and "progressive" the devs are. Then those articles get shared around other SJW sites who praise them....and anti-SJW sites who get outraged. It works. It doesn't always translate to sales (as BFV showed) but they keep doing it so it must be worth it.
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Nick_Saban posted...

I'm cool with diversity in games, I just miss the days when developers would brag about how good their game is for the gameplay, story, graphics...etc instead of bragging about how good their game is for the political stance it takes.

It just seems like devs are putting out mediocre games and using social justice to deflect and/or quell legitimate criticism.

They do it for social media clicks. This kind of thing gets them lots of press from gaming journalists who write articles about how "brave" and "progressive" the devs are. Then those articles get shared around other SJW sites who praise them....and anti-SJW sites who get outraged. It works. It doesn't always translate to sales (as BFV showed) but they keep doing it so it must be worth it.

The only article I've seen is the one in the OP whining about it
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Who. Fucking. Cares.
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*grabs popcorn*

The alt-right meltdowns will be glorious.
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the usual suspects

the term diversity is cringe nowadays
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Good, it has a great world i dont see why this would be bad.
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Ive only played Origins but that game was pretty political too
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Vyrulisse posted...

The problem is that Bioware no longer has the talent to do it in a way that feels natural. It's just hamfisted and insulting nowadays.

This. Dorian was the best character in Inquisition, but the scene where he yells at his father was so awful.

We were supposed to feel bad because of the obvious gay conversion therapy allegory, but I came away with the view that the father was legitimately worried about how badly his son was going to be ostracized because of his sexuality. Dorian's father apologizes and wants to make amends, while Dorian just rants at him.

garan posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

The problem is that Bioware no longer has the talent to do it in a way that feels natural. It's just hamfisted and insulting nowadays.

This. Dorian was the best character in Inquisition, but the scene where he yells at his father was so awful.

We were supposed to feel bad because of the obvious gay conversion therapy allegory, but I came away with the view that the father was legitimately worried about how badly his son was going to be ostracized because of his sexuality. Dorian's father apologizes and wants to make amends, while Dorian just rants at him.

I think that makes the scene rather human no? Sometimes good intentions aren't enough and wounds don't instantly heal.

It has been a while since I've seen that scene though. Over 4 years ago god damn.
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hockeybub89 posted...

"We'll treat Dragon Age the way we've always treated it"

What a news story

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They can be political and diverse as long as they put in a fuckin hot chick to bang this time, I fucked a large man bull rather than fugly ass Cassandra last go around
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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Like all the other Dragon Age games?

The last good Dragon Age was origins, and the farthest it went was the PC able to be Bi, one bi male, and one bi female as far as party members went

Dragon Age 2 sucked
Inquisition sucked too
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Perascamin posted...

AmericaTheBrave posted...

Like all the other Dragon Age games?

The last good Dragon Age was origins, and the farthest it went was the PC able to be Bi, one bi male, and one bi female as far as party members went

Dragon Age 2 sucked
Inquisition sucked too

You know sexuality isn't the only form of politics right
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There's also race and gender identity.
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Darmik posted...

garan posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

The problem is that Bioware no longer has the talent to do it in a way that feels natural. It's just hamfisted and insulting nowadays.

This. Dorian was the best character in Inquisition, but the scene where he yells at his father was so awful.

We were supposed to feel bad because of the obvious gay conversion therapy allegory, but I came away with the view that the father was legitimately worried about how badly his son was going to be ostracized because of his sexuality. Dorian's father apologizes and wants to make amends, while Dorian just rants at him.

I think that makes the scene rather human no? Sometimes good intentions aren't enough and wounds don't instantly heal.

It has been a while since I've seen that scene though. Over 4 years ago god damn.

It wasn't human, it was just preachy, clumbsy, and poorly done.

NeuralLaxative posted...

They can be political and diverse as long as they put in a fuckin hot chick to bang this time, I fucked a large man bull rather than fugly ass Cassandra last go around

That would be nice-- Morrigan & Leliana both looked great in Inquisition, as if they wanted to remind us that not only was Origins the better game, the love interests (10 years later) still looked much better than what the Inquisitor could hook up with.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Esrac posted...

Funkydog posted...

Esrac posted...

Is that what Dragon Age has been about?

I only played the first one and it mostly seemed about fighting pseudo-orcs and a demon-dragon and some political backstabbing. And fucking a swamp witch.

I don't remember much about coming together because we are all we have or anything like that.

Then you really didn't pay much attention to the game you played tbh.

It's a major theme of it.

I don't know, it seemed more like a group of people and political frenemies begrudgingly cooperating, or not, to not be murdered and raped by the dark spawn horde.

I don't remember a lot of coming togetherness from Alistair when I opted to make Loghain a Grey Warden or Leliana when I dumped blood in those sacred ashes.

Really, you don't remember the entire alliance building of bringing together Elves, Dwarves, and Mages together with the remnants of Ferelden forces to fight against the blight? Your memory must suck since that was roughly 2/3rds of the fucking game.

I wouldn't call that "coming together because we are all we have". I would call it "frenemies begrudgingly working together, or not, to not be murdered by a horde of pseudo-orcs".

"Coming together" suggests more touchy-feely, friends and family stuff. Not the impression I get from convincing factions that don't like each other to fight a common enemy for their own survival.

Even in the party, that message sours with how easy it is for other party members to leave or turn on you.
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Esrac posted...

ScazarMeltex posted...

Esrac posted...

Funkydog posted...

Esrac posted...

Is that what Dragon Age has been about?

I only played the first one and it mostly seemed about fighting pseudo-orcs and a demon-dragon and some political backstabbing. And fucking a swamp witch.

I don't remember much about coming together because we are all we have or anything like that.

Then you really didn't pay much attention to the game you played tbh.

It's a major theme of it.

I don't know, it seemed more like a group of people and political frenemies begrudgingly cooperating, or not, to not be murdered and raped by the dark spawn horde.

I don't remember a lot of coming togetherness from Alistair when I opted to make Loghain a Grey Warden or Leliana when I dumped blood in those sacred ashes.

Really, you don't remember the entire alliance building of bringing together Elves, Dwarves, and Mages together with the remnants of Ferelden forces to fight against the blight? Your memory must suck since that was roughly 2/3rds of the fucking game.

I wouldn't call that "coming together because we are all we have". I would call it "frenemies begrudgingly working together, or not, to not be murdered by a horde of pseudo-orcs".

"Coming together" suggests more touchy-feely, friends and family stuff. Not the impression I get from convincing factions that don't like each other to fight a common enemy for their own survival.

Even in the party, that message sours with how easy it is for other party members to leave or turn on you.

Agreed. Zevran, Leliana, Wynne, Sten, Alistair, and Morrigan all at least consider leaving your party if you do certain things, and you can come to blows with several of them. That's hardly singing Kumbaya together.

Also, Origins is filled with racism and bigotry. That was downplayed massively in Inquisition.

Err nothing you guys said contradict anything he said. You guys are listing examples of acting like an asshole to your allies which cause them to leave you. You succeed more if you're a saint who brings everyone together and treat your party like family.
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Bananana posted...

Dragon Age 4 will be great, and nerdy introverted gamers who hate inclusion will fake outrage

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You basically have to intentionally provoke your party members into leaving you in DAO
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garan posted...

Also, Origins is filled with racism and bigotry. That was downplayed massively in Inquisition.

That's not even mentioning how much the Mages and Templars dislike and distrust each other, a major part of the story that was basically thrown out the window in Inquisition as the civil war no longer mattered once the leaders were all killed and both groups became pawns of the ridiculous villain.

why do white people have issues with this kind of stuff?does it bother you guys that much?
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The biggest problem with pandering to the SJW crowd, is that they won't have access to their rich parents' money forever. Once they don't, they're not going to be able to buy a single one of these products. And there's the problem - you're abandoning your actual fanbase who did have the ability to continue supporting you, in favor of pandering to a movement that, while the people who are in it might remain in it for the rest of their lives, their ability to buy your products will not remain for nearly that long. And that's IF they even buy your products in the first place while they can; a lot of the time they don't.
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"be political and celebrate diversity"

is exactly the same as

"be a shitty failure of a game"

Anyways, Mass Effect 3 does the whole "diversity" thing far better than any shitty SJW game ever could
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Rika_Furude posted...

"be political and celebrate diversity"

is exactly the same as

"be a shitty failure of a game"

Anyways, Mass Effect 3 does the whole "diversity" thing far better than any shitty SJW game ever could

It does depend how they pull it off. It's possible to integrate politics into and/or have diversity in a game without killing it, including politics that the player doesn't necesserially agree with (case in point for me: I entirely disagree with the point AA6 makes about (not) holding lawyers responsible for defending guilty clients (minor spoiler, you'll know it's relevant to the plot by the end of the 1st case and probably know what point they're trying to make by the end of the 3rd), but I still very much enjoyed the game). Key factors are still making an enjoyable game despite the political stuff, rather than the game being a thinly-veiled context to shove your politics in everyone's faces.

But that sure as hell doesn't sound like the case with this one.
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Rika_Furude posted...

"be political and celebrate diversity"

is exactly the same as

"be a shitty failure of a game"

dudebros gonna dudebro
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NotWhiteNinja posted...

The biggest problem with pandering to the SJW crowd, is that they won't have access to their rich parents' money forever.

One minute they're all poor and jealous of other people's wealth, the next they're all spoiled rich kids.
Make up your fucking minds.
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