Current Events > Whats the point of discussing any politics?

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CSCA33 posted...

We see you dancing around answering the question about elucidating which viewpoints, and its very telling.

Explain what you mean further.

Scardude posted...

Any. I am critical to any opinions in real life or online. I'm not sure why this begs the question. People are quick to go for ad homeim attacks on the person for looking at the same issue differently. I'm not the emotional reader and many people don't understand that news is read to appeal to your emotions. It's how they sell. Taking a neutral tone with the subject is more than enough to ruffle any feathers on this board.

Again, I ask if the persecuted opinion people are talking about borders on how we need to tolerate intolerance?

But second, somehow I doubt that anyone has avoided letting their emotions get to them in a debate.

VideoboysaysCube posted...

Yeah, I got modded for trolling on this board some time back for asking a question regarding side effects of the vaccines. And also for making remarks that were deemed "politically incorrect". So I just stopped discussing those kinds of topics here. Same thing with Reddit. Depending on what sub you go to, your opinion gets downvoted unless 51% or more people agree with you.

But here's the thing though: you can say "I got modded for just asking questions" and have it technically sound true to anybody that didn't read the original post.

But often times, we pry a little further (or in some cases, even get receipts) and find out that "just asking questions" was really "playing Devil's Advocate with blatant and harmful misinformation and continuing to do so long after all of my points were debunked" a.k.a. trolling. Like, we had a guy on here literally throw out the "genetic superiority" argument word for word and had people call him out for it. But let him tell it and he'll probably describe it to you as "CE harassed me for saying that some people are better at certain things than others". It is particularly common among the right for folks to victimize themselves after people call them out for really bad takes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elRxbGJuCw8

With how far the overton window has shifted, there's a massive overlap between what is considered right wing and what is considered reprehensible. The range of what would be otherwise considered reasonable falls under the left side of the spectrum by default.

Not being funny but have you seen what Trump and the GOP have been running on?

reincarnator07 posted...

Not being funny but have you seen what Trump and the GOP have been running on?

Quoting hitler seems to be their new platform.

https://missouriindependent.com/2023/12/18/trump-borrows-from-the-language-of-hitler-for-anti-immigration-speech-in-new-hampshire/

LordMarshal posted...

Everyone strongly believes whatever and a random conversation wont change their mind. In fact theyre trying to change yours.

So thats moot. Just go vote for the politician thats apparently for whatever you think and thats the extent of what you can actually do.

My opinions have changed over the years. It wasn't instant. But it did involve seeing constant debates over certain topics constantly.

Maybe I'm the weird case though.

I was raised to think a certain way and over time dealing with people online I've seen other ways. Of course naturally I wanted to defend how I was raised to be.

There are still parts I hold on to but through debate I have changed my mind on many things.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0175463b.jpg

To see other points of views. Maybe mine are wrong. Its counter productive to just sit in an echo chamber and discussions are important. A lot of the things I thought were black and white as a kid really arent and Ive learnt as Ive grown up a lot of views I used to hold dear to me were wrong.

Scardude posted...

Explain what you mean further.

You've essentially suggested we entertain "view points" that would deny basic human rights for marginalized and vulnerable minorities, including children, as if those view points are valid and deserve a seat at the table.

People don't generally get moderated here merely for having a "different view point," they involve promoting misinformation / disinformation, misogyny or sexism, advocating bigoted ideology, and other harmful content. So, it's blatantly disingenuous to float these baseless assertions, painting yourself as a victim who decries this forum for not allowing people to voice their "differing view points."

And when pressed about what these view points are, you refuse to elucidate beyond a blanket "any" differing viewpoint, which we can infer to include bigoted ideology and disinformation from bad faith actors.

NPC posted...

Yup you legit can't make pro life topics, it's a joke.

This was what the mod said: "You may not use the revocation of women's bodily autonomy to troll about a controversial topic."

Good. Fuck those stances and fuck any nuance on human rights issues. Anything less than full support shows you don't really support them

I'll compromise with people on LGBTQ rights right here. LGBTQ people get to be completely open and free in public and anyone who disagrees gets to quietly fucking deal with it.

Imagine the Holocaust if we had the Internet and "nuanced neutral opinions" during that time.

Republicans: "Fuck these people. They're a danger to Christian American and we'd all be better off if they were dead."

Other people: "Fuck you asshole. That's horrible."

Republicans: " Why are you being so intolerant of my nuanced and sincerely held beliefs? "

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fd5eb51c.png

"Hello, I'm Mr. moderate/centrist/independent/neutral and I say liberals are intolerant of other peoples' views."

hockeybabe89 posted...

Republicans: "Fuck these people. They're a danger to Christian American and we'd all be better off if they were dead."

Other people: "Fuck you asshole. That's horrible."

Republicans: " Why are you being so intolerant of my nuanced and sincerely held beliefs? "

On top of that.

Republicans: "lol liberals are such sensitives snowflakes."
Other people: *Makes jokes or criticisms about Trump/conservatives/white people/Christianity/right wing celeb*
Republicans: "The left is so horrible! "

hockeybabe89 posted...

Because I'm correct and people who disagree with me have opinions that are going to literally hurt innocent people or worse

Why is everyone ignoring this nonsense?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Why is everyone ignoring this nonsense?

If you think shes wrong, what do you disagree with her about? Perhaps youd like to restate your position on gender affirming care for children, since that went so well last time.

CSCA33 posted...

If you think shes wrong, what do you disagree with her about? Perhaps youd like to restate your position on gender affirming care for children, since that went so well last time.

What is the bolded part in reference to? I'm pretty sure I've been pretty open about gender affirming care being accessible for everyone...

I just don't see how "You should accept what a presidential candidate has done to perpetuate the genocide of more Palestinian people" is a take that "literally hurt innocent people or worse".

SayHeyyShohei posted...

What is the bolded part in reference to? I'm pretty sure I've been pretty open about gender affirming care being accessible for everyone...

I just don't see how "You should accept what a presidential candidate has done to perpetuate the genocide of more Palestinian people" is a take that "literally hurt innocent people or worse".

https://apnews.com/article/1d4e1824283f41eaa8422227fa8e6ea7

ooger posted...

https://apnews.com/article/1d4e1824283f41eaa8422227fa8e6ea7

What does this have to do with anything I was saying?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

What does this have to do with anything?

Do you really think Trump will be pro Palestinian?

C'mon.

ooger posted...

Do you really think Trump will be pro Palestinian?

C'mon.

No? I don't believe I ever claimed that to be.

Are you insinuating I support Trump? You have the wrong person...

Just gets the brain juice flowing I guess.

If you actually wanted to persuade people why would you be arguing on gamefaqs of all places.

CSCA33 posted...

You've essentially suggested we entertain "view points" that would deny basic human rights for marginalized and vulnerable minorities, including children, as if those view points are valid and deserve a seat at the table.

People don't generally get moderated here merely for having a "different view point," they involve promoting misinformation / disinformation, misogyny or sexism, advocating bigoted ideology, and other harmful content. So, it's blatantly disingenuous to float these baseless assertions, painting yourself as a victim who decries this forum for not allowing people to voice their "differing view points."

And when pressed about what these view points are, you refuse to elucidate beyond a blanket "any" differing viewpoint, which we can infer to include bigoted ideology and disinformation from bad faith actors.

That's a lot to insert on what you think I mean from what I've said so far. To be clearer, I mean any viewpoint that fits into the TOS but can suffer the trolley problem on which issue to tackle. The reason I'm using general terms is because that's relevant to the topic itself.

To give you example on an example of discussions. When someone is neutral, they need to look at it many sides from both point of views. If they conclude that for one reason or another that for reasons brought up. They don't agree with either. It can lead to the above as you stated. So, my question in return then. How do you stay neutral to cause but not come off as anything like that. Especially with the victim mindset? Anything I give you from the board is anecdotal and experience. Which may vary from person to person.

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hows it doing on the discords?

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Why is everyone ignoring this nonsense?

What would you like them address?

Antiyonder posted...

Again, I ask if the persecuted opinion people are talking about borders on how we need to tolerate intolerance?

But second, somehow I doubt that anyone has avoided letting their emotions get to them in a debate.

Tolerate intolerance is a paradox in itself. If anything, what we tolerate changes depending on many factors. Including the environment or region they are coming from. Slavery is not accepted in western and European views. Yet, it still happens in countries my friends come from. I personally refuse to travel to any country that still practices slavery. Yet, in my own backyard, I've met a woman who doesn't know her origin. She was sold and brought to this country to work on a farm. So, in some backwards way, people found a way to exploit others. I won't travel to those countries where it is blanent but what do I do about my country of origin?

hockeybabe89 posted...

What would you like them address?

There is one "truth" you have expressed in the past on multiple occasions that has been part of a rhetoric that has enabled the genocide of brown people in Israel and the Gaza Strip. I wanted to see you explain your way out of your bullshit moral high horse.

This is what you posted:

Because I'm correct and people who disagree with me have opinions that are going to literally hurt innocent people or worse

I disagree with you because I believe Biden needs to stop supporting Israel and needs to call out the Palestinian genocide. According to your post, my opinion is going to "literally hurt innocent people or worse". Care to explain how I'm doing that?

Scardude posted...

Yet, in my own backyard, I've met a woman who doesn't know her origin. She was sold and brought to this country to work on a farm. So, in some backwards way, people found a way to exploit others. I won't travel to those countries where it is blanent but what do I do about my country of origin?

And to be clear is this the discussion or related to what you were modded for?

So, my question in return then. How do you stay neutral to cause but not come off as anything like that. Especially with the victim mindset? Anything I give you from the board is anecdotal and experience. Which may vary from person to person.

Can't say. But like I mentioned before, people who often lecture the Left on showing their emotions don't practice what they preach.

A racist comment/slur even if proven to be intentional, not worth getting worked up over. Calling out someone for (proven) racism is in contrast treated as a good reason to fly off the handle.

Why I think that is bogus is the same reason that passiveness for bullying in general irks me. People choose who deserves top priority in helping out and for some reason they think the one who starts a fight is the one being wronged.

Whereas the victim of the bigot/Bully had to be provoked into acting.

Edit: Spell correction from molded to modded.

There is discussing politics and there is what happens here which is essentially just yelling into a void.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

There is one "truth" you have expressed in the past on multiple occasions that has been part of a rhetoric that has enabled the genocide of brown people in Israel and the Gaza Strip. I wanted to see you explain your way out of your bullshit moral high horse.

This is what you posted:

I disagree with you because I believe Biden needs to stop supporting Israel and needs to call out the Palestinian genocide. According to your post, my opinion is going to "literally hurt innocent people or worse". Care to explain how I'm doing that?

Palestine is screwed because supporting Israel is a bipartisan stance by American politics and has been for decades.

My opinion is that you have a moral imperative to save as many people as possible. Letting an entire neighborhood burn because it's fair to the one building already engulfed is not a morally or logically correct stance. Not making a choice when presented with the trolley problem doesn't make one just.

Antiyonder posted...

And to be clear is this the discussion or related to what you were molded for?

Molded for? Modded for? I have had one mod that I didn't bother fighting or dispute. In all my years of gamefaqs. Move on.

Heck when debating on LGBTQ+ rights, some of us argued since say the 2000s on why restrictions against the community are wrong/unnecessary and even starting off calmly (i.e. Giving good faith in the person having a genuine concern) we get those who are Anti-LGBTQ+ unwilling to explain how full legalization of gay marriage will end society.

But every argument can be applied to anything that is accepted or tolerated and if there was any genuine reason, wouldn't such a fact be supplied years ago (To the days before the internet was in it's infancy)?

And the reason I (and possibly some) are skeptical of immigration concerns is that if the primary reasoning is trying to keep people from committing criminal acts or sponging off resources (i.e. just taking without providing service)?

Well then even a born citizen who is a criminal or sponges off resources should be treated deported and arrested out of country. Just seems like those who crack down on immigrants don't see it as a possibility for legal citizens to be a liability or don't care.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Why is everyone ignoring this nonsense?

I noticed it, but just chose to be quiet about it, until now.

I think the post you quoted actually proves the very point the TC was trying to make. So un-suaded are those people from considering oppositional viewpoints, that they believe that their stances are dogmatically correct.

Im centre wing myself, but there has been the odd time ive heard a left wing viewpoint on a subject and thought to myself "actually they've got a valid point there, i never considered that". But those people you will never get through to, because they stubbornly refuse to hear anything that goes outside of their narrative. I think Bruce Lee put it best

A wise man can learn more from a fool, than a fool can from a wise man

Antiyonder posted...

Well then even a born citizen who is a criminal or sponges off resources should be treated deported and arrested out of country.

Deported to where? Surely you have to realize this is nonsense.

Tenlaar posted...

Deported to where? Surely you have to realize this is nonsense.

I totally agree, they are not the same thing.

If you are allowed to immigrate to another country (especially one that will give you better quality of life), then that is a great privilege, its not a right, its a privilege. To be allowed to immigrate to another country, but then within days or weeks of being there you commit some really atrocious crime, you are biting the hand that feeds you. If you abuse or shit on a privilege, its not unfair if it gets taken away from you. Why should a country carry on welcoming you into its country if all you wanna do is be a social cancer to it?

NPC posted...

Yup you legit can't make pro life topics, it's a joke.

This was what the mod said: "You may not use the revocation of women's bodily autonomy to troll about a controversial topic."

Sorry that wanting to strip half the world of a basic human right and their bodily autonomy is looked at as the utter evil it is and isn't allowed.

Not sorry btw.

"Im the good guy and theyre evil."

-Literally both sides, politics.

Katanablade posted...

I noticed it, but just chose to be quiet about it, until now.

I think the post you quoted actually proves the very point the TC was trying to make. So un-suaded are those people from considering oppositional viewpoints, that they believe that their stances are dogmatically correct.

Im centre wing myself, but there has been the odd time ive heard a left wing viewpoint on a subject and thought to myself "actually they've got a valid point there, i never considered that". But those people you will never get through to, because they stubbornly refuse to hear anything that goes outside of their narrative. I think Bruce Lee put it best

A wise man can learn more from a fool, than a fool can from a wise man

Sorry that I think human rights are indisputable, bruh. I feel really dumb that I haven't considered that maybe Christian conservatives have a point and maybe I have too many rights.

Deutschenlied posted...

Sorry that I think human rights are indisputable, bruh. I feel really dumb that I haven't considered that maybe Christian conservatives have a point and maybe I have too many rights.

I completely agree. Clearly they are wrong. You are right. You are literally a force of good fighting against evil people.

Funkydog posted...

Sorry that wanting to strip half the world of a basic human right and their bodily autonomy is looked at as the utter evil it is and isn't allowed.

Not sorry btw.

There is a website called https://www.procon.org/ that choose to see the ethical stances on abortion by trying to hold a middle ground. The site is secular, so its not a case of that everybody who speaks in the "con" arguments are just pastors and ministers. They hold the middle ground with abortion by saying "it pits off one persons rights verses another persons rights"

Deutschenlied posted...

Sorry that I think human rights are indisputable, bruh

unless they're in gaza, right?

we can't afford to stop as to not normalize the current situation.

Katanablade posted...

There is a website called https://www.procon.org/ that choose to see the ethical stances on abortion by trying to hold a middle ground. The site is secular, so its not a case of that everybody who speaks in the "con" arguments are just pastors and ministers. They hold the middle ground with abortion by saying "it pits off one persons rights verses another persons rights"

Why would i go to an evil website?

Katanablade posted...

There is a website called https://www.procon.org/ that choose to see the ethical stances on abortion by trying to hold a middle ground. The site is secular, so its not a case of that everybody who speaks in the "con" arguments are just pastors and ministers. They hold the middle ground with abortion by saying "it pits off one persons rights verses another persons rights"

lmfao wtf is this shit

LordMarshal posted...

Why would i go to an evil website?

Whys it evil?, or are you just being sarcastic there?. The site is very middle ground and is non partisan

I went and read it a fair bit on an ethical stance that i am actually middle ground on, the death penalty

Because they made this asinine statement:

They hold the middle ground with abortion by saying "it pits off one persons rights verses another persons rights"

Katanablade posted...

There is a website called https://www.procon.org/ that choose to see the ethical stances on abortion by trying to hold a middle ground. The site is secular, so its not a case of that everybody who speaks in the "con" arguments are just pastors and ministers. They hold the middle ground with abortion by saying "it pits off one persons rights verses another persons rights"

From your website that purports to be nonpartisan and presents "pros" and "cons" ostensibly to foster critical thinking -

on gay marriage:

Con 3
Gay marriage has accelerated the assimilation of gays into mainstream heterosexual culture to the detriment of the homosexual community.

Con 5
Gay marriage is contrary to the word of God and is incompatible with the beliefs, sacred texts, and traditions of many religious groups.
The Bible, in Leviticus 18:22, states: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination, thus condemning homosexual relationships. [120]
The Catholic Church, United Methodist Church, Southern Baptist Convention, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, National Association of Evangelicals, and American Baptist Churches USA all oppose same-sex marriage.
Con 6
Homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and, therefore, same sex marriage is immoral and unnatural.

This is hate speech dude, dressed up as legitimate debate points