Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 6 - And a Movie

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changmas posted...

but I do have a delightful show planned for your entertainment

hype

I side eye anyone who is hyped for this

Not as like your scum side eye

Just as a person

Actually here's something funny. Corrik basically proved someone shot at me, and I'm probably one of the 3 most natural doc saves in the game.

Kirby just popped in to specifically tout a theory to directly call whoever MZero targeted scum.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Rereading now that I'm sitting down and not multitasking and I missed this part of the claim.

We can kill corrik I'm okay with it

I mean that guarantees I use my inevitable vig on someone else which I am down for if Corrik is out.

Yeah theres no reason to pile votes on anyone until Chang does his thang.

Kirby321 posted...

Of those 10, I feel the worst about Wallz. Which, btw Chang, is who I'd pick for likeliest to be scum upon your self-town confirmation. I have reason to believe that your role is actually confirmable. I don't have reason to believe Wallz' is.

what ever dum pink ball

I am town, Chang is probably scum. Its weird as heck you claim to feel the worst about me of the entire remaining player list, and it feels like youre just carrying over your stated suspicion from d1 for appearances.

I need to go back and check but Im pretty sure Kirbys vote was on me late, then moved back to Knightz only when the lynch was essentially decided. If so, -1 town points son.

And by that logic, I would wager that if Kirby is scum (and he probably is) that MZero did NOT target scum.

I think kirby was someone who seemed like he was laying the groundwork to vote me but then never made the switch which hind sight I'm seeing as scum who got scared.

I'll reread to confirn

Meow1000 posted...

The way the roles function are completely different. Taunter isn't trying to get itself shot, Taunter is trying to draw things from scum like roleblocks and scans and whatnot that won't actually harm them. Doctor is trying to save the highest value town from being shot.

Taunter doesn't equal doctor in value for most of a game.

Sure, but in this game, MZero was the highest value town N1. And I'd argue that drawing the nightkill away from, for example, the Cop is a valuable use for Taunter. Either way, Taunter benefits from redirecting scum's actions to themselves, regardless of what that action was. I don't see why Taunters would be adverse to drawing the nightkill, especially when they're openly claimed so that doc can protect them.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I think kirby was someone who seemed like he was laying the groundwork to vote me but then never made the switch which hind sight I'm seeing as scum who got scared.

I'll reread to confirn

I laid groundwork to vote you but then I saw the actual train and went naaaaah

Curious to what you find from him

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I mean that guarantees I use my inevitable vig on someone else which I am down for if Corrik is out.

Inevitable feels like a stretch when you missed a day :p

TotallyNotMI posted...

Inevitable feels like a stretch when you missed a day :p

I mean I am the most inept player to ever be called good lol

Kirby321 posted...

Sure, but in this game, MZero was the highest value town N1. And I'd argue that drawing the nightkill away from, for example, the Cop is a valuable use for Taunter. Either way, Taunter benefits from redirecting scum's actions to themselves, regardless of what that action was. I don't see why Taunters would be adverse to drawing the nightkill, especially when they're openly claimed so that doc can protect them.

He had a 1/16 chance of directing scum's kill to himself.

Taunter isn't a high enough value role to throw a shot at on night 1 with your roleblocker dead. If I were doctor I never even consider saving MZero last night because I believe there's a 0% chance scum ever considers shooting him.

This logic is trash and only exists to try to frame MZero's target.

Kirby321 posted...

Whatever it is, please don't end the game 24 hours early. Please. There's so much to discuss, and ending the day just as most of us are coming off of work would be an asshole move.

That being said, Ben is absolutely on fire this game. He was completely right about Taco and Knightz' interactions (assuming Taco isn't scum, which is extremely improbable at this point), and this analysis that heavily supports FD and Chang as town:

So we got MZero, Ben, FD, and Chang as town. I feel really good about Ctes and Peaf, while Ben feels very good about Blade, so add them in there, too. That leaves:

* Corrik
* Death
* IGCD
* Isquen
* Kirby
* MI
* Red
* Sbell
* Ulti
* Wallz

Of those 10, I feel the worst about Wallz. Which, btw Chang, is who I'd pick for likeliest to be scum upon your self-town confirmation. I have reason to believe that your role is actually confirmable. I don't have reason to believe Wallz' is.

We can put Ulti as surely town. I think Knightz role was so powerful that scum would have bakced off to let him do his thing at the onset of the game, but closed in as soon as he starts flailing. I went back and read all of Knightz posts and it is Ulti who first makes Knightz squirm. Ulti also says Knightz is clearly different this game, and really is the first to push him. Its what causes Knightz to feel pressured enough to eventually blurt out Luis Guzman, Town vanilla (which yes, he did get from the sign up topic lol), before even planning or researching the claim.

IGCD is hard cleared as town because I do not think he would bend the rules enough to bring up the "Knightz cannot access discord" topic if he is on a team with Knightz and knows the truth.

why did kirby include himself in his scum poe lmao

PunishedBen posted...

We can put Ulti as surely town. I think Knightz role was so powerful that scum would have bakced off to let him do his thing at the onset of the game, but closed in as soon as he starts flailing. I went back and read all of Knightz posts and it is Ulti who first makes Knightz squirm. Ulti also says Knightz is clearly different this game, and really is the first to push him. Its what causes Knightz to feel pressured enough to eventually blurt out Luis Guzman, Town vanilla (which yes, he did get from the sign up topic lol), before even planning or researching the claim.

IGCD is hard cleared as town because I do not think he would bend the rules enough to bring up the "Knightz cannot access discord" topic if he is on a team with Knightz and knows the truth.

Ulti did spectacularly murder scum RB JC in Bloodborne to the point where our entire scumteam bussed him with what was seconds away from being back-to-back-to-back votes

I won't deny that I stoked the MI train D1. I said before he was one of my ??? reads in that I couldn't tell at all what alignment he was, and last time I went on that intuition, I scanned a serial killer. There's more to it than that, but I also wasn't expecting the train to actually gain traction until it did.

I recognize that communicating my thoughts and intents definitely isn't my forte. But I was always intent on voting for Knightz. The vote on Wallz was a genuine mistake. I know that sounds like an excuse and very hard to believe, but I'm speaking the truth there. I don't know how on earth I made the mistake of putting Wallz' name down when I meant to vote for Knightz.

And then I framed the one town who voted just barely between us as scum because his vote was so bad "lol"

Meow1000 posted...

He had a 1/16 chance of directing scum's kill to himself.

Taunter isn't a high enough value role to throw a shot at on night 1 with your roleblocker dead. If I were doctor I never even consider saving MZero last night because I believe there's a 0% chance scum ever considers shooting him.

This logic is trash and only exists to try to frame MZero's target.

And Doctor also had a 1/16 chance of stopping a kill last night. What's the difference lol

Kirby321 posted...

And Doctor also had a 1/16 chance of stopping a kill last night. What's the difference lol

Factually incorrect.

On most nights the doctor can check off at least half the players in the game as "There is no way scum kills this person".

Meow1000 posted...

I laid groundwork to vote you but then I saw the actual train and went naaaaah

Curious to what you find from him

Okay my memory was wrong. Kirby did throw some shade at me BUT he explicitly said that we should stay the course on Knightz and never wavered from that.

He did however answer your question about why I did a bad job analyzing Wallz between games by saying that it was probably because I was scum instead of correcting that I didn't do that

changmas posted...

why did kirby include himself in his scum poe lmao

Sheesh. You people get on FD's case when he excludes himself from his PoE lists because he obviously knows his own alignment, and now I'm getting harped on for including myself in the PoE because, logically, none of you know my alignment for certain.

Make up your minds smh

PunishedBen posted...

which yes, he did get from the sign up topic lol

What makes you say that instead of from the safe list?

Kirby321 posted...

Of those 10, I feel the worst about Wallz. Which, btw Chang, is who I'd pick for likeliest to be scum upon your self-town confirmation. I have reason to believe that your role is actually confirmable. I don't have reason to believe Wallz' is.

Let me paint you a picture.

There's a scum newbie with an incredibly strong role who is getting a lot of votes, and people saying they think he's scummy.

There's another scum player, this one a pretty experienced player who has a few votes but also some people strongly advocating for.

They're both the lynch leaders, with an hour to go until the lynch.

Then suddenly another train gets some momentum, being pushed by at least one town player. They get to be almost tied in votes!

But all of the scum team decide nah, you know what. Better to just vote out our super strong role and keep our other guy as the number two instead of chasing that possibility.

I think the only way Wallz can be scum is if MI is too.

I still want an explanation from you on how you confused Wallz and Knightz, and voted "the wrong one".

TotallyNotMI posted...

I side eye anyone who is hyped for this

Not as like your scum side eye

Just as a person

):

Anti-hype

TotallyNotMI posted...

What makes you say that instead of from the safe list?

Like I can't help but read that line and wonder if that was scum Ben slipping that Luis wasn't on their safelist

Apparently I'm as hype sensitive as I am spicy sensitive

(Red is still a HAWT MAMA today)

PeaceFrog posted...

Let me paint you a picture.

There's a scum newbie with an incredibly strong role who is getting a lot of votes, and people saying they think he's scummy.

There's another scum player, this one a pretty experienced player who has a few votes but also some people strongly advocating for.

They're both the lynch leaders, with an hour to go until the lynch.

Then suddenly another train gets some momentum, being pushed by at least one town player. They get to be almost tied in votes!

But all of the scum team decide nah, you know what. Better to just vote out our super strong role and keep our other guy as the number two instead of chasing that possibility.

I think the only way Wallz can be scum is if MI is too.

I still want an explanation from you on how you confused Wallz and Knightz, and voted "the wrong one".

from everything i can see this is a very high power game in general, role madness or close to it.

I don't see why the other scum roles can't be equally nuts

TotallyNotMI posted...

What makes you say that instead of from the safe list?

Because it is the funniest of the possible outcomes and I believe in a hilarious future. Just like i was first to speculate last game that scum had been blocking the Pineapple vendor all game

changmas posted...

from everything i can see this is a very high power game in general, role madness or close to it.

I don't see why the other scum roles can't be equally nuts

But we also have no reason to believe any of this at present. We don't have enough information to just summarily declare role madness.

Meow1000 posted...

But we also have no reason to believe any of this at present. We don't have enough information to just summarily declare role madness.

i mean, maybe you don't

Meow1000 posted...

Factually incorrect.

On most nights the doctor can check off at least half the players in the game as "There is no way scum kills this person".

What's the difference between that and Taunter going "there's no way this guy is performing a scum action"?

I think you're being too narrowminded here. I will concede that you're bringing up many flexible uses for Taunter that I didn't think of. But I don't appreciate that you're denying my very valid scenario of Taunter expecting doc protection and trying to bait a scum kill as a pseudo-Cop scan, especially considering that's exactly how the role was used in the infamous Baseball Musical Mafia/"Chang Taunts Lopen" Mafia.

That's not to say that is 100% what happened. If I were in MZero's position, that's absolutely how I'd play the role for sure. But you can't deny that it's a possibility. Maybe I was being narrowminded myself for saying that was the only way the night kill could've been stopped last night. But at the very least, I do think MZero should tell us who he taunted because that could give us useful info later down the line if it turns out that the Doc really was on MZero N1.

changmas posted...

i mean, maybe you don't

Chang are you about to claim one of those ridiculous roles that should never exist in a game that gets a count of every night action performed

Can we stop ever using that kind of role btw it's dumb and broken.

Kirby321 posted...

I think you're being too narrowminded here. I will concede that you're bringing up many flexible uses for Taunter that I didn't think of. But I don't appreciate that you're denying my very valid scenario of Taunter expecting doc protection and trying to bait a scum kill as a pseudo-Cop scan, especially considering that's exactly how the role was used in the infamous Baseball Musical Mafia/"Chang Taunts Lopen" Mafia.

the use case is somewhat different here as (to our knowledge), MZero can't leave a note behind to explain who he targeted. so he perhaps doesn't really want to redirect the kill itself and just die as a pseudo-bodyguard. but I don't fault you for thinking this way

If we're all high power it's another reason not to just believe the three confirmable claims that are floating around

Meow1000 posted...

Chang are you about to claim one of those ridiculous roles that should never exist in a game that gets a count of every night action performed

Can we stop ever using that kind of role btw it's dumb and broken.

no sir

Chang you seem to be here now, available now.

what's wrong with now?

Shakespeare didn't write Hamlet in a day, my dear Sbell

changmas posted...

no sir

Oh thank god

and i'll be dipping out for the night in 30 or so

TotallyNotMI posted...

If we're all high power it's another reason not to just believe the three confirmable claims that are floating around

If I kill someone day 5 will you believe me?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

If I kill someone day 5 will you believe me?

Comedy option the game doesn't last to day 5

got 'em

PeaceFrog posted...

Let me paint you a picture.

There's a scum newbie with an incredibly strong role who is getting a lot of votes, and people saying they think he's scummy.

There's another scum player, this one a pretty experienced player who has a few votes but also some people strongly advocating for.

They're both the lynch leaders, with an hour to go until the lynch.

Then suddenly another train gets some momentum, being pushed by at least one town player. They get to be almost tied in votes!

But all of the scum team decide nah, you know what. Better to just vote out our super strong role and keep our other guy as the number two instead of chasing that possibility.

I think the only way Wallz can be scum is if MI is too.

I still want an explanation from you on how you confused Wallz and Knightz, and voted "the wrong one".

I think the simplest answer to the scenario you're painting is that town outnumbers scum. You can't definitively say that it was scum's intentional plan to kill off Knightz. It could very well just have been the will of town to seal Knightz's fate.

In the context of Wallz being scum, he'd need a pretty damn good reason to move his vote off of Knightz, who was his logical counterlynch for quite a while if I'm not mistaken.

But honestly? I don't know. I'm just speculating, trying to postulate answers that I clearly don't have.

Best possible subconscious explanation I can think of for why I voted Wallz when I meant to vote Knightz is that both of them end in 'z' and I just wasn't thinking straight. But, like, that's the thing. The only real answer is that I had a brain fart lol

If you kill someone day 5 we are probably just lynching you.

knightz: triple threat role, insanely busted
mzero: taunter
me: pretty neat, town confirmable role
wallz: "confirmable"
blade: did something that wasn't roleblocked
ctes: had his vote disabled today
igcd: can shoot someone eventually

idk looks pretty high power to me

red13n posted...

If you kill someone day 5 we are probably just lynching you.

What if he kills scum on Day 5

We might still have to kill him.

changmas posted...

knightz: triple threat role, insanely busted
mzero: taunter
me: pretty neat, town confirmable role
wallz: "confirmable"
blade: did something that wasn't roleblocked
ctes: had his vote disabled today
igcd: can shoot someone eventually

idk looks pretty high power to me

That's 7 people in 19 how does that read high power

Meow1000 posted...

He had a 1/16 chance of directing scum's kill to himself.

Taunter isn't a high enough value role to throw a shot at on night 1 with your roleblocker dead. If I were doctor I never even consider saving MZero last night because I believe there's a 0% chance scum ever considers shooting him.

This logic is trash and only exists to try to frame MZero's target.

I probably shoot Mzero last night based on how town confirmed he seems (to me at least)
PeaceFrog posted...

Let me paint you a picture.

There's a scum newbie with an incredibly strong role who is getting a lot of votes, and people saying they think he's scummy.

There's another scum player, this one a pretty experienced player who has a few votes but also some people strongly advocating for.

They're both the lynch leaders, with an hour to go until the lynch.

Then suddenly another train gets some momentum, being pushed by at least one town player. They get to be almost tied in votes!

But all of the scum team decide nah, you know what. Better to just vote out our super strong role and keep our other guy as the number two instead of chasing that possibility.

I think the only way Wallz can be scum is if MI is too.

I still want an explanation from you on how you confused Wallz and Knightz, and voted "the wrong one".

I dont think there's much analysis to get out of the "alternate" trains day 1. They never felt like true alternates. I think even the scum team was committed to killing Knightz by the time the brothers reveal happened, just to silence him and stop him from spewing the whole team in his downfall. A majority of the players in the game had decided Knightz was today's lynch at about that moment.

stop being annoying it's high power ok

oh right and something vanished lopen too