Current Events > Geography question: is Kentucky in the Midwest?

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Oh no, Sunhawk is talking about the Midwest again!

Also, Fort Knox is in Kentucky.

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GET A FUCKING MAP

In fact don't.
Just don't fucking ask questions like this again
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It's generally considered a southern state.
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Mid southern central east coast state
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Kentucky, a Southern state? Come on.
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tc write a fucking book or some shit on the amount of things you could have just looked up on google
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Yes it's fucking southern .

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And it's pronounced Ken! Tuck! Eh!

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The Midwest is a lie.
It should be called the mideast.
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Antifar posted...

It's generally considered a southern state.

No it's not.

If it wasn't in the Confederacy, it's not a southern state.

Also Kentucky is east of the Mississippi River, so it's not in the Midwest. It's whatever Ohio and Indiana are.
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jumi posted...

No it's not.

If it wasn't in the Confederacy, it's not a southern state.

Also Kentucky is east of the Mississippi River, so it's not in the Midwest. It's whatever Ohio and Indiana are.

Have you ever been there?

The people are southern as hell.

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As someone who lives in the Midwest, I would say absolutely not. Kentucky's way too southern for us.

And it's pronounced Ken! Tuck! Eh!

It's the Commonwealth of Kentucky! Get it right, darn nabbit!

The Midwest is a lie.
It should be called the mideast.

Probably, but it was "The West" when it was first settled so the name stuck. The best is hearing the University of Michigan fight song declaring them as "Champions of the West." Silly UofM.

Alteres posted...

jumi posted...

No it's not.

If it wasn't in the Confederacy, it's not a southern state.

Also Kentucky is east of the Mississippi River, so it's not in the Midwest. It's whatever Ohio and Indiana are.

Have you ever been there?

The people are southern as hell.

I live there.

The people of Pennsylvania (outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh) are "southern as hell" too, but no one is saying Pennsylvania is a southern state.
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I like southern girls
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jumi posted...

The people of Pennsylvania (outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh) are "southern as hell" too, but no one is saying Pennsylvania is a southern state.

I wouldn't characterize us as "southern as hell," but definitely extremely conservative. I have seen one too many Confederate flags around which always makes me laugh how stupid it is, though.
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jumi posted...

Alteres posted...

jumi posted...

No it's not.

If it wasn't in the Confederacy, it's not a southern state.

Also Kentucky is east of the Mississippi River, so it's not in the Midwest. It's whatever Ohio and Indiana are.

Have you ever been there?

The people are southern as hell.

I live there.

The people of Pennsylvania (outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh) are "southern as hell" too, but no one is saying Pennsylvania is a southern state.

The T is redneck hell.
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Master_Bass posted...

jumi posted...

The people of Pennsylvania (outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh) are "southern as hell" too, but no one is saying Pennsylvania is a southern state.

I wouldn't characterize us as "southern as hell," but definitely extremely conservative. I have seen one too many Confederate flags around which always makes me laugh how stupid it is, though.

i see confederate flags in south jersey, i think ppl in pretty much any non-urban place in the US like to LARP as rednecks lol
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Its as eastern as you can get with being an Atlantic state.

And north-south its on the Mason Dixon line making it central.
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Antifar posted...

It's generally considered a southern state.

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Id say is southern

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Kentucky is NOT southern. Nobody in the south east claims Kentucky. Besides, they were a union state in the Civil War. They are automatically disqualified to be considered southern.

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Being "Southern" in America is as much cultural as it is geographical. Kentucky, in this regards, is indisputably Southern.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Being "Southern" in America is as much cultural as it is geographical. Kentucky, in this regards, is indisputably Southern.

Lmao no. By this logic upstate new York and Eastern Washington and Oregon are southern. You seem to be confusing redneck and southern. You can be redneck and be southern just like you can be southern and not be redneck.

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TC was asking a geography question, not a political one.

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glitteringfairy posted...

Lmao no. By this logic upstate new York and Eastern Washington and Oregon are southern.

By the logic that both culture and geography are equally important, three areas that are extremely northern are Southern?

Good lord.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

By the logic that both culture and geography are equally important, three areas that are extremely northern are Southern?

Good lord.

You seem to be confusing redneck and southern. You can be redneck and be southern just like you can be southern and not be redneck.

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glitteringfairy posted...

Kentucky is NOT southern. Nobody in the south east claims Kentucky. Besides, they were a union state in the Civil War. They are automatically disqualified to be considered southern.

*looks at users tag*

hmmm

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TheGoldenEel posted...

*looks at users tag*

hmmm

Ah, missed one for the block

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glitteringfairy posted...

You seem to be confusing redneck and southern. You can be redneck and be southern just like you can be southern and not be redneck.

No, I'm not. In fact I've not even used the term "redneck" because I realize the culture of the South is deeper and richer than simple perjorative generalizations.

The distinction between a state being "Southern" or not relies on cultural, political, historical, economic, and geographical considerations. There is certainly no obvious geographical boundary that separates the South from the North and Midwest.

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glitteringfairy posted...

Kentucky is NOT southern. Nobody in the south east claims Kentucky. Besides, they were a union state in the Civil War. They are automatically disqualified to be considered southern.

Imagine calling a state southern when it wasnt part of the Confederacy lmao
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Being "Southern" in America is as much cultural as it is geographical. Kentucky, in this regards, is indisputably Southern.

Except its not. Look at a map.
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divot1338 posted...

Except its not. Look at a map.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-23abcea867037cd6f3bf0ebef3921769

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

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Kazi1212 posted...

Imagine calling a state southern when it wasnt part of the Confederacy lmao

Lol right? If it wasn't part of the confederacy then it's not southern. It's just that simple. When they fought for the union they forever revoked their southern card.

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jumi posted...

so it's not in the Midwest. It's whatever Ohio and Indiana are.

Um...
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glitteringfairy posted...

Lol right? If it wasn't part of the confederacy then it's not southern. It's just that simple. When they fought for the union they forever revoked their southern card.

No, those are the "Confederate" states. You see, they're categorized by whether they fought for the Confederacy or not. "Southern States" is a definition that relies on broader cultural, political, historical, economic, and geographical considerations.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

No, those are the "Confederate" states. You see, they're categorized by whether they fought for the Confederacy or not. "Southern States" is a definition that relies on broader cultural, political, historical, economic, and geographical considerations.

Dude just stop

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We are not your personal ChaCha search assistant, and the path to true wisdom and knowledge is asking other people questions only after you cannot find the answer for yourself first.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

divot1338 posted...

Except its not. Look at a map.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-23abcea867037cd6f3bf0ebef3921769

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

Geographically - dead center north south and on Mason Dixon line
Google, the NCAA, and logic classify it as south central

Your evidence - some poll that doesnt even state if the respondents are in Kentucky (useless)
and a wikipedia that includes it as part of cultural south (not relevant to geography)
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The survey was from self-identified Southerners. Most self-identified southerners identify Kentucky as Southern. If Kentuckians are identified as Southerners by the majority of Southerners, don't see why Southern-identifying Kentuckians should be allowed to identify Kentucky as Southern.

Also, the NCAA and Google are better sources on it being a Southern State than the U.S. Census Beaureau in your eyes. Good lord. I don't necessarily agree with the U.S. Census assessment of the region, particularly Texas, but I don't cite the a collegiate sports organization as as a greater authority on the subject. How daft would you need to be to think that? How stubborn or grasping at straws?

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And we should just take your word for it?

I gave several examples demonstrating where they were classified in a central group based on geography.

Yours make only an argument about culture which has fuck all to do with it.

Youve also failed to address the fact its DEAD CENTER when you measure the continental United States north to south.

This is such an obviously stupid argument Im going to ignore you now.
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divot1338 posted...

Google, the NCAA, and logic classify it as south central

If we're using college sports as a metric: the University of Kentucky plays in the Southeastern Conference
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there are two main arguments that show Kentucky is in the South

1. https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/maps-data/maps/reference/us_regdiv.pdf
2. I wont recognize bourbon belonging to another region
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which states are the midwest anyway, like what are the borders exactly?

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ThyCorndog posted...

which states are the midwest anyway, like what are the borders exactly?

Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska and the Dakotas. For the census designation at least.

We claim Midwest in Indiana despite our strong attempts to appear Southern.


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ThyCorndog posted...

which states are the midwest anyway, like what are the borders exactly?

Basically it's the corn belt.
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glitteringfairy posted...

Lol right? If it wasn't part of the confederacy then it's not southern. It's just that simple. When they fought for the union they forever revoked their southern card.

They refused to fight the Confederacy even on Lincoln's orders. The maintained neutrality because they were smack dab in the middle of the war. They wanted peace.

The only reason they entered the war was because the Confederacy invaded their state lines.

You act like they turned their back on the South when that couldn't be further from the truth.

I mean granted they were pro-slavery the whole time so fuck them.

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divot1338 posted...

And we should just take your word for it?

I gave several examples demonstrating where they were classified in a central group based on geography.

Yours make only an argument about culture which has fuck all to do with it.

Youve also failed to address the fact its DEAD CENTER when you measure the continental United States north to south.

This is such an obviously stupid argument Im going to ignore you now.

Alright buddy, alright mister.

For starters, all boundaries and and regions are defined on a strictly arbitrary basis. Even natural boundaries like rivers are choosen for one reason or another over other rivers or lakes. The question is, what basis should our arbitrary reasoning spring from?

Natural boundaries sometimes serve that purpose, but lacking those, we usually just draw lines on a map based on who can actually enforce it, or as a compromise in a dispute. That was the case with the Mason-Dixon line which was a long, arbitrary, mostly straight line drawn across the Virginia/Maryland/Pennsylvania border. It was also later used symbolically as the line dividing the slave owner states and the free states. Now, Kentucky did not abolish slavery during the civil war, just like other Southern states, and it is in fact below the Mason-Dixon line, though that is of course just ONE random line of demarcation.

How about another random line? The latitutidinal line at 39.8283 N is the North-South centermost line in the continental U.S. Everything above that line is in the geographical "North", and everything below it is the geographical "South". Oddly enough, the northmost city in Kentucky is Fort Thomas, at... 39.0751 N. That means the state is geographically, in its entirety, in the "Southern" U.S.

Enough with lines, because it is truly about who can enforce the boundaries, right? And in that case, it would be the sovereign state that has controlled the land since at least the end of the civil war--The U.S. Government. After all, The U.S. Government gave Kentucky statehood. They gave Kentucky its name. They gave Kentucky its laws and Constitution. What do they have to say? Well, as I've already posted, the U.S. Census Bureau seems to think Kentucky is in the "South". Maybe it's not as legitimate as your sources, like "Google", a business incorporated and under the domain of the U.S., the "NCAA", a congloremate of colleges than organize amateur sports in America, where all the colleges are beholden to the U.S. for licensing and taxes, and "Logic", which you've "claimed" to have used. You're logic includes placing Kentucky in a "central" place inbetween the North-South paradigm, which is a little disconcerting because I don't think anybody recognizes a major region of America between the North and the South. It's, uh, as far as I'm aware just those two. One or the other. Unless there's a bunch of states between Maryland and Virginia I'm missing here.

But hey, maybe we're both wrong. Maybe we're missing the big picture--Who cares what governments have to say about blobs of colors on a map. What states are, you see, is the people that live in them. And what do the Southerners say about Kentucky?

That it's a Southern State. I already, uh, posted that too.

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Shucks, 0 for 3 on this. Is there anything that precludes Kentucky from being a Southern state that we've missed? They didn't fight for the Confederacy, that's true. Well, there were partisan groups in Kentucky that raised the flag for the Confederacy, but I don't think they true governments that can be recognized. You know what was, though? Texas. Yup, if you kick out Kentucky for this reason, you have to take Texas. And you also have to take.... Arizona. That's right! The Confederacy claimed most of Arizona, and if they succeeded, that would have certainly composed their new nation.

Or, uh, maybe the Confederacy does not represent the totality of what makes a Southern state. If it were, that would be a pretty rotten legacy regardless

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Kastrada posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

which states are the midwest anyway, like what are the borders exactly?

Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska and the Dakotas. For the census designation at least.

We claim Midwest in Indiana despite our strong attempts to appear Southern.

I don't see how Indiana and especially Ohio can be Midwest when they're east of the Mississippi River, which is where the West starts, but if they are, Kentucky is the same as them.

Kentucky is not southern.
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