Poll of the Day > Is weight loss really just calories in vs calories out??

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FatalAccident
08/05/22 11:41:11 PM
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Like it doesnt matter about sugars fats proteins etc as long as youre on a calorie deficit youll lose weight?

Really as simple as that or am I missing something?

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Zareth
08/05/22 11:53:15 PM
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No, everybody has a different metabolism.

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Sahuagin
08/05/22 11:53:54 PM
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supposed to be yes, but with some caveats:

fat is worth 9 calories per gram, whereas carbs and protein are worth only 4.

there is a "window" that you have to aim for but can't see. above a certain amount you gain weight. below a certain amount you go into starvation mode and your body starts holding on to more fat and consumes organs and muscle instead. you need to aim between those two points.

this window shrinks and slides down as you lose weight.

exercise makes the window larger and moves it up.

exercise generally helps you lose more fat and less muscle. without exercise a lose/gain weight cycle can tend to shift you towards a higher fat% over time. with exercise, it should tend to shift you towards a lesser fat% over time.

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Straughan
08/06/22 12:12:13 AM
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Weight loss is more about consistency.

A week of eating half your normal meals :

Monday: "Ok, that wasn't too bad."
Tuesday: "Ok... I did it."
Wednesday: "I'm feeling kinda weak..."
Thursday: "Ugh..."
Friday: "I feel bit better today."
Saturday: "Phew... almost a whole week!"
Sunday: "I did really good this week, I'll eat this entire pizza and chocolate cake to celebrate."

Next Monday's weight the same as the last. You got literally no where because of a pizza and cake. I can't tell you how many people can't make it a week without fucking it up.

So, as far as counting calories, just remember to count your cheat meals and see just how many days and walks they are reversing. Suddenly, they won't be worth it.

Just stay consistent. You will have to go a bit crazy fighting hunger pains. You will tell yourself no thousands of times and your mind will try and rationalize every single extra bite or meal. Fight it. Every single time. Never let it win. Not once. Because once is all it takes. It gets better after about 3 weeks, but there will always be temptations.

Then 6 months later when you've changed and feel like you've got this? Go 6 more months just to keep yourself in check. Ween off the diet very very slowly. Exercise too. Never go cold turkey on heavy exercise routines.

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HornedLion
08/06/22 12:23:13 AM
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Yes and no.

For weight loss you need to be in a calorie deficit

but to show healthier results you will want to balance proteins, carbs, and fats. Low on the carbs and sugars for best results.

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OhhhJa
08/06/22 12:37:41 AM
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I just eat when I'm hungry and I've never gotten fat. I don't eat very terribly though. Sometimes I eat some junk but mostly I eat homecooked or stuff from decent restaurants. I'm also a very active and high energy person so that's probably why I stay in good shape despite not watching what I eat
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SinisterSlay
08/06/22 2:02:34 AM
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I did pretty good by doing 18k steps every 2 days. With that I could pretty much eat normal and still lose weight. It's much easier to do this with a friend or your spouse. It's boring otherwise and you'll lose interest quickly.
I know well because...
Then I got sabotaged by winter, then my spouse got very busy and couldn't keep going with me and I lost all my progress. Except I'm way stronger than I used to be, and fat now.
People really can't figure out how my fat ass can stand at my standing desk all day effortlessly and then still go on a walk, do yard work, and have no pain. My legs are fucking strong, just never get to use them like I used to.
So don't fall into that trap.

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funkyfritter
08/06/22 3:57:55 AM
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Yes. You can make it more complicated to achieve specific results or to develop habits you'll actually stick with, but burning more calories than you consume is the fundamental part of the process.

If you eat nothing except 1700 calories of McDonald's fries every day and burn 1800 calories, you'll lose weight. It wouldn't be healthy, but if that's the only metric you're looking at it would do the job.

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Dikitain
08/06/22 5:04:47 AM
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Yes, but if you want to do it in a way that doesn't make you feel like absolute shit or literally kill you, then it is a bit more complex.

Zareth posted...
No, everybody has a different metabolism.

Which just boils down to how many calories you burn in a day.

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hypnox
08/06/22 5:11:43 AM
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Penn from Penn and Teller lost like 90 pounds eating only baked or boiled potatoes.

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Mensis
08/06/22 6:56:27 AM
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Its easier to just monitor the nutrition of what youre eating than literally trying to starve yourself to lose weight.

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11110111011
08/06/22 7:23:21 AM
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Yes. That is it, nothing more.

I've lost more weight eating nothing but soda and candy that I ever did eating healthy. I didn't feel too great, but the pounds still came off.

If you are overweight and trying to lose, you need to start by figuring out how many calories everything has. Of course, candy tends to have a lot of calories in a little package, but isn't very filling and often leaves you wanting more. Over time you will find that foods with protein (like eggs, meat, etc.) tend to let you eat a lot more for less calories and are more filling. Greens let you eat even more.

It really is that simple if all you care about is the number on the scale. You have to find the combinations of food that work for you and stay at a certain calorie count.
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HornedLion
08/06/22 7:44:41 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
I just eat when I'm hungry and I've never gotten fat. I don't eat very terribly though. Sometimes I eat some junk but mostly I eat homecooked or stuff from decent restaurants. I'm also a very active and high energy person so that's probably why I stay in good shape despite not watching what I eat

Thats impressive considering how much Fox News raised cortisol levels.


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OhhhJa
08/06/22 8:17:31 AM
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HornedLion posted...
Thats impressive considering how much Fox News raised cortisol levels.

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GameReviews
08/06/22 8:21:29 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Like it doesnt matter about sugars fats proteins etc as long as youre on a calorie deficit youll lose weight?

Really as simple as that or am I missing something?
Yes. Basically. It's more complex than that, but at a base mechanistic level, that's pretty much all there is to it.

Zareth posted...
No, everybody has a different metabolism.
This is true, but it still doesn't circumvent the fact that weight loss / gain is caused by calorie deficit / surplus.

Sahuagin posted...
there is a "window" that you have to aim for but can't see. above a certain amount you gain weight. below a certain amount you go into starvation mode and your body starts holding on to more fat and consumes organs and muscle instead. you need to aim between those two points.
There is no such thing as starvation mode. It is completely made up.

hypnox posted...
Penn from Penn and Teller lost like 90 pounds eating only baked or boiled potatoes.
Certainly possible, but not a good idea for a variety of reasons.

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Jen0125
08/06/22 8:33:59 AM
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Zareth posted...
No, everybody has a different metabolism.

This only affects the amount of calories you need

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adjl
08/06/22 8:40:10 AM
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Fundamentally, yes, all you need to do to lose weight is ensure that your caloric intake is less than your output. The nuance of that arises in that most of your output (unless you're extremely active) comes from your basal metabolic rate, and there are a ton of factors that can increase or decrease that to affect the "calories out" figure in ways that can be unexpected and/or hard to predict. To keep that as high as possible, you generally want to be at least somewhat active (regular physical activity will increase your BMR beyond the active calories you consume), make sure you're getting a reasonably balanced diet that includes all the vitamins and minerals you need, and not restrict by more than about 10% of your energy needs.

Of course, the other issue is that counting calories is harder than a lot of people realize (especially when most figures you see are very rough estimates, often with margins of error greater than the margins by which you should be restricting) and can very quickly turn into a disordered obsession if you try to take it too seriously. Instead, try to get more active, make sure you shore up any nutritional deficiencies you have, and slow down your eating so you can get better at stopping when you're satisfied. Once your caloric demands stabilize, then you can start eating slightly smaller portions of everything.

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Jen0125
08/06/22 8:59:25 AM
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adjl posted...
Fundamentally, yes, all you need to do to lose weight is ensure that your caloric intake is less than your output. The nuance of that arises in that most of your output (unless you're extremely active) comes from your basal metabolic rate, and there are a ton of factors that can increase or decrease that to affect the "calories out" figure in ways that can be unexpected and/or hard to predict. To keep that as high as possible, you generally want to be at least somewhat active (regular physical activity will increase your BMR beyond the active calories you consume), make sure you're getting a reasonably balanced diet that includes all the vitamins and minerals you need, and not restrict by more than about 10% of your energy needs.

Of course, the other issue is that counting calories is harder than a lot of people realize (especially when most figures you see are very rough estimates, often with margins of error greater than the margins by which you should be restricting) and can very quickly turn into a disordered obsession if you try to take it too seriously. Instead, try to get more active, make sure you shore up any nutritional deficiencies you have, and slow down your eating so you can get better at stopping when you're satisfied. Once your caloric demands stabilize, then you can start eating slightly smaller portions of everything.

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hypnox
08/06/22 9:04:06 AM
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GameReviews posted...
Certainly possible, but not a good idea for a variety of reasons.

His doctor suggested it. Penn did a whole video on this because people kept asking him how he lost his weight.

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Yellow
08/06/22 9:05:26 AM
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If I go past 150 LB I skip lunch and I float around that weight regardless of how much exercise I get.

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captpackrat
08/06/22 9:51:31 AM
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You can reduce your calorie intake or you can increase your calorie consumption.

Exercise in the low-intensity zone burns about 85% fat, but you're burning less energy overall than a higher intensity workout. Most people can sustain this level for a very long time.

In the weight-control zone you're burning 65% fat and improving your fitness. You're burning a lower percentage of fat, but you're using more energy.

In the aerobic zone you're burning 50% fat. At this level you may begin to feel muscle fatigue if you're not used to it, and you'll usually begin sweating. This level improves your heart, lungs, and overall endurance.

When you reach the anaerobic zone your body is unable to process oxygen fast enough for normal energy production, so your body begins converting glucose into lactic acid. You'll burn very little if any fat. This level should only be reached for short spurts, less than 10 minutes. It is used for strength training, sprints, and high-intensity interval training. Muscle fatigue is common.

The maximum zone is pushing your heart to the limit. It is very exhausting and should only be attempted by someone who is very fit and for only a few minutes. The risk of injury increases dramatically at this level.

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Revelation34
08/06/22 10:25:52 AM
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Straughan posted...
Weight loss is more about consistency.

A week of eating half your normal meals :

Monday: "Ok, that wasn't too bad."
Tuesday: "Ok... I did it."
Wednesday: "I'm feeling kinda weak..."
Thursday: "Ugh..."
Friday: "I feel bit better today."
Saturday: "Phew... almost a whole week!"
Sunday: "I did really good this week, I'll eat this entire pizza and chocolate cake to celebrate."

Next Monday's weight the same as the last. You got literally no where because of a pizza and cake. I can't tell you how many people can't make it a week without fucking it up.

So, as far as counting calories, just remember to count your cheat meals and see just how many days and walks they are reversing. Suddenly, they won't be worth it.

Just stay consistent. You will have to go a bit crazy fighting hunger pains. You will tell yourself no thousands of times and your mind will try and rationalize every single extra bite or meal. Fight it. Every single time. Never let it win. Not once. Because once is all it takes. It gets better after about 3 weeks, but there will always be temptations.

Then 6 months later when you've changed and feel like you've got this? Go 6 more months just to keep yourself in check. Ween off the diet very very slowly. Exercise too. Never go cold turkey on heavy exercise routines.


Cheat days are a thing.

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shadowsword87
08/06/22 10:57:51 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Cheat days are a thing.

The idea behind a cheat day is that, while dieting, the amount of damage you can do to your diet, in that one day, is more calories than you can eat in the other 6 days.

People act like "oh, just have discipline" when someone's dieting, and, guess what, that shit's hard and why most diets fail. So you give yourself one day to look forward to, where you think about what you want to eat in that one day.

Most of the time what happens is someone goes on a diet, realizes that, oh fuck, I just somehow ate some fast food, I guess my diet is over. They get sad and dejected about it, then decide, fuck it, the entire diet is over.

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Lokarin
08/06/22 11:04:21 AM
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Weight loss is just calories (and water, don't dehydrate yourself to cut, you're not a boxer)... but weight management is more nuanced

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Straughan
08/06/22 11:06:43 AM
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Adjl is also right about people not properly measuring their calories. It's sooo easy to squirt in a few 100 extra here or there without knowing. Especially those who think they have an eye for grams and calories and don't do anything to verify by weighing, etc.

The sugar alcohols in diet sodas can add up. Especially drinks like crystal light. If you're hammering a gallon jug of that stuff a day, those 10s of calories add up.

100 from your fiber mix. You just happen to eat a bunch of gummi vitamins/supplements. Overdoing the condiments like mayo and not realizing how many calories are in it. Salad dressing is a huge one. People will bath their salads with some high calorie dressing but it's "ok" because salad. No. It's so not. You just gotta be careful is all. Do an app calorie tracker. You'll be surprised.

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Revelation34
08/06/22 11:33:03 AM
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Straughan posted...
Adjl is also right about people not properly measuring their calories. It's sooo easy to squirt in a few 100 extra here or there without knowing. Especially those who think they have an eye for grams and calories and don't do anything to verify by weighing, etc.

The sugar alcohols in diet sodas can add up. Especially drinks like crystal light. If you're hammering a gallon jug of that stuff a day, those 10s of calories add up.

100 from your fiber mix. You just happen to eat a bunch of gummi vitamins/supplements. Overdoing the condiments like mayo and not realizing how many calories are in it. Salad dressing is a huge one. People will bath their salads with some high calorie dressing but it's "ok" because salad. No. It's so not. You just gotta be careful is all. Do an app calorie tracker. You'll be surprised.


Diet soda doesn't make people gain weight.

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Blightzkrieg
08/06/22 3:50:07 PM
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Zareth posted...
No, everybody has a different metabolism.
The main factors determining metabolism are age, sex, height and weight (you'll actually burn more calories if you're fatter). Unless you have an actual metabolic disorder you won't see huge differences between individuals of the same age and size.

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