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voldothegr8
08/15/23 6:36:12 PM
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The long and skinny:

Startup company of 2 people sends Linus a prototype cooler block for GPUs, to be shown on his channel of course and get some spotlight. It's their one and only complete prototype.

Startup sends with the instructions to be used on a 3090, as that's what they engineered the prototype to work with.

LTT reviews the block but tests with a 4090, doesn't work right and proceeds to trash the product.

It is what it is, but they keep asking for their prototype back so they can keep moving forward. Linus says sure but it never arrives. Turns out that LTT ended up selling it at a charity auction, possibly to competitors also wanting to develop the technology.

Now here's where it gets good. Tech Jesus aka Gamers Nexus gets whiff of this makes a video. He basically lambasts Linus. It's long and don't expect anyone to watch it, but basically calls out his testing methods, inaccurate results, and overall scum moves like this, etc. Harsh to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGW3TPytTjc

Linus responds with one of those "sorry not sorry I'm the real victim here" apologies. Not a channel video though, a post on his message boards. I'd link it but not sure of the rules here. That response blew up because of the stench of bullshit, then Tech Jesus released a video dismantling Linus and proving him a liar face. 1st part is dedicated to that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso

And that's pretty much where the situation sits right now. PCMR is a pretty funny place right now.

Also I've personally unsubscribed from Linus. Another fallen hero.

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Chicken
08/15/23 6:37:32 PM
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Holy fuck thats greasy

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Starks
08/15/23 6:39:16 PM
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And this is the first decent explanation of the whole thing.

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CRON
08/15/23 6:40:17 PM
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LTT went down the drain once they figured out most of the viewers were children and started to just make the same "LOOK AT THIS EXPENSIVE SHIT WE BOUGHT!" videos over and over again.

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Starks
08/15/23 6:42:21 PM
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LTT is only good for their exotic "this is the limits of current tech" builds.

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Hornezz
08/15/23 6:46:43 PM
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Linus gave Gamersnexus crap for not contacting him before publishing the video, so he could have explained they'd had already offered compensation for the sold prototype.

Only now it turned out LTT had not offered anything, or replied to Billet's email at all, until AFTER GN's video came out.

Him lying and doubling down makes it so much worse.

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MarthGoomba
08/15/23 6:47:37 PM
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I don't pay much attention to Linus because most of his videos are just him flaunting his wealth and other Tech YouTubers do much better and more in-depth reviews

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ablegator
08/15/23 6:51:45 PM
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Good grief.

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SocialistGamer
08/15/23 6:53:31 PM
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Steve always kind rubs me the wrong way with how many videos are such negative clickbait tbh. Even if he's right about this, it still rubs me the wrong way.

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CRON
08/15/23 6:56:31 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

He doesn't seem like a bad person but gives the impression that he's never experienced any kind of failure or criticism.

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Ratchetrockon
08/15/23 6:57:50 PM
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Damn what a shame

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AI_TechGam3FAQS
08/15/23 6:59:39 PM
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If they really sold that prototype cooler when they werent supposed to then yea, big asshole move and I hoped theyve given an appropriate amount of money to that billet company already.

Otherwise the drama for the errors on their latest vids have been rather minimal.

I would say that they really should slow down, having a video everyday is pretty exhaustive and cant see how that is sustainable anyway.

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Trumpo
08/15/23 7:23:03 PM
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He is one of the reasons I am glad the sponsorblock add on exists

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Kombucha
08/15/23 7:31:04 PM
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Damn, glad I don't bother watching Linus.

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voldothegr8
08/15/23 8:17:07 PM
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The startup people have responded, looks like they're capitalizing on this golden opportunity and good for them.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/1/AADdfsAAEwWT.png

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flussence
08/15/23 8:22:00 PM
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Linus Tech Grifts

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UnholyMudcrab
08/15/23 8:23:30 PM
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It surely can't be legal to just auction off someone's else's proprietary technology like that. What the fuck even goes through someone's mind to consider that? Bribery from the competition?

Edit: No, apparently not bribery. So he just stole another other company's product and sold it off to some random guy.

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voldothegr8
08/15/23 8:24:26 PM
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Latest update:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/2/1/AADdfsAAEwWd.png

DAMN. So not only did they ship the block with instructions to use a 3090, they provided the 3090 and LTT kept that too. Fucking scumbag.

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andrewl923
08/15/23 8:26:43 PM
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Heh, now people who won items from the auction are getting emails from LTT asking what they won for "tax purposes" since they lost the list.

https://imgur.com/TQsJz68


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Robot2600
08/15/23 8:28:45 PM
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...who? & who?

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bluezero
08/15/23 8:31:36 PM
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Yep, been following it. Linus is coming out looking like a turd.

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ellis123
08/15/23 8:34:39 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Nothing this bad, but LTT has been on the downturn for a good decade and a half now.

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Hornezz
08/15/23 8:36:52 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
DAMN. So not only did they ship the block with instructions to use a 3090, they provided the 3090 and LTT kept that too. Fucking scumbag.
Yeah apparently LTT misplaced that one, after which they just decided to test the block on an unsupported gpu instead.

There's just so many unprofessional fuckups in the story.

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flussence
08/15/23 8:37:08 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
...who? & who?

LTT is one of those "Youtube people" with SEO-optimised clickbait thumbnails. He owns a company that does "computer stuff", thinks what he does is worth $100 million and got to that point by being an insufferable dickhead and courting people who gravitate to cults of personality, basically.

GN is a hardware review site like tomshardware or anandtech.

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DKBananaSlamma
08/15/23 8:38:24 PM
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Why does it feel like when most youtubers get big, their ego consumes them and they turn shitty lol

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bluezero
08/15/23 8:39:42 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Judging by his responses so far, he won't.

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Timmyjinkle
08/15/23 8:40:34 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
Why does it feel like when most youtubers get big, their ego consumes them and they turn shitty lol

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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ellis123
08/15/23 8:41:37 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

He will not. He's a grifter now.

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haloiscoolisbak
08/15/23 8:41:52 PM
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Any link to Linus' apology/explanation post?

Interested to see how he justifies straight up theft

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Bass
08/15/23 8:44:58 PM
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Damn, that's low of Linus. What a bunch of dick moves from him.

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voldothegr8
08/15/23 8:55:15 PM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
Any link to Linus' apology/explanation post?

Interested to see how he justifies straight up theft
It's a forum post on his message boards so not sure if it's kosher or not, but it's easy enough to find on PCMR. Kind of too long and big to put in a readable screencap. Beginning of the 2nd video also covers it. It's pretty disgusting.

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CommonStar
08/15/23 8:57:59 PM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
Any link to Linus' apology/explanation post?

Interested to see how he justifies straight up theft

There won't be a big WAN Show segment about this or anything. Most of what I have to say, I've already said, and I've done so privately.

To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready.

To my team (and my CEO's team, but realistically I was at the helm for all of these errors, so I need to own it), I stressed the importance of diligence in our work because there are so many eyes on us. We are going through some growing pains - we've been very public about them in the interest of transparency - and it's clear we have some work to do on internal processes and communication. We have already been doing a lot of work internally to clean up our processes, but these things take time. Rome wasn't built in a day, but that's no excuse for sloppiness.

Now, for my community, all I can say is the same things I always say. We know that we're not perfect. We wear our imperfection on our sleeves in the interest of ensuring that we stay accountable to you. But it's sad and unfortunate when this transparency gets warped into a bad thing. The Labs team is hard at work hard creating processes and tools to generate data that will benefit all consumers - a work in progress that is very much not done and that we've communicated needs to be treated as such. Do we have notes under some videos? Yes. Is it because we are striving for transparency/improvement? Yeah... What we're doing hasn't been in many years, if ever.. and we would make a much larger correction if the circumstances merited it. Listing the wrong amount of cache on a table for a CPU review is sloppy, but given that our conclusions are drawn based on our testing, not the spec sheet, it doesn't materially change the recommendation. That doesn't mean these things don't matter. We've set KPIs for our writing/labs team around accuracy, and we are continually installing new checks and balances to ensure that things continue to get better. If you haven't seen the improvement, frankly I wonder if you're really looking for it... The thoroughness that we managed on our last handful of GPU videos is getting really incredible given the limited time we have for these embargoes. I'm REALLY excited about what the future will hold.

With all of that said, I still disagree that the Billet Labs video (not the situation with the return, which I've already addressed above) is an 'accuracy' issue. It's more like I just read the room wrong. We COULD have re-tested it with perfect accuracy, but to do so PROPERLY - accounting for which cases it could be installed in (none) and which radiators it would be plumbed with (again... mystery) would have been impossible... and also didn't affect the conclusion of the video... OR SO I THOUGHT...

I wanted to evaluate it as a product, and as a product, IF it could manage to compete with the temperatures of the highest end blocks on the planet, it still wouldn't make sense to buy... so from my point of view, re-testing it and finding out that yes, it did in fact run cooler made no difference to the conclusion, so it didn't really make a difference.

Adam and I were talking about this today. He advocated for re-testing it regardless of how non-viable it was as a product at the time and I think he expressed really well today why it mattered. It was like making a video about a supercar. It doesn't mater if no one watching will buy it. They just wanna see it rip. I missed that, but it wasn't because I didn't care about the consumer.. it was because I was so focused on how this product impacted a potential buyer. Either way, clearly my bad, but my intention was never to harm Billet Labs. I specifically called out their incredible machining skills because I wanted to see them create something with a viable market for it and was hoping others would appreciate the fineness of the craftsmanship even if the product was impractical. I still hope they move forward building something else because they obviously have talent and I've watched countless niche water cooling vendors come and go. It's an astonishingly unforgiving market.

Either way, I'm sorry I got the community's priorities mixed-up on this one, and that we didn't show the Billet in the best light. Our intention wasn't to hurt anyone. We wanted no one to buy it (because it's an egregious waste of money no matter what temps it runs at) and we wanted Billet to make something marketable (so they can, y'know, eat).

With all of this in mind, it saddens me how quickly the pitchforks were raised over this. It also comes across a touch hypocritical when some basic due diligence could have helped clarify much of it. I have a LONG history of meeting issues head on and I've never been afraid to answer questions, which lands me in hot water regularly, but helps keep me in tune with my peers and with the community. The only reason I can think of not to ask me is because my honest response might be inconvenient.

We can test that... with this post. Will the "It was a mistake (a bad one, but a mistake) and they're taking care of it" reality manage to have the same reach? Let's see if anyone actually wants to know what happened. I hope so, but it's been disheartening seeing how many people were willing to jump on us here. Believe it or not, I'm a real person and so is the rest of my team. We are trying our best, and if what we were doing was easy, everyone would do it. Today sucks.

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Waxitron_Gazer
08/15/23 9:02:07 PM
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tbh i don't care

i like ltt and ltg videos because they have good production and writing which is a rarity in tech videos, including gamer nexus. i like gamer jesus, but fuck, man, write a joke or look like you should be in front of a camera for once, or something, christ.

i'd never trust anything a single tech source says, whether ltt or gn.

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Gritty
08/15/23 9:04:51 PM
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I dont go for these nerd feuds but gamer nexus is a fantastic channel and that dude definitely knows his shit so if hes got an issue with Linus tech tips, I am inclined to believe his side.
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CreekCo
08/15/23 9:15:22 PM
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Steve said what needed to be said

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Megaman50100
08/15/23 9:20:25 PM
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The entirity of my knowledge of Linus comes from OKBR memes

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Unknown5uspect
08/15/23 9:53:05 PM
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Damn he comes off as a real asshole in that "apology"

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Axiom
08/15/23 9:54:44 PM
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Wow fuck this guy
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ablegator
08/15/23 9:58:13 PM
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https://youtu.be/sZ76ckSPSGE

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cjsdowg
08/15/23 10:10:39 PM
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Testing it on a wrong system is bad. However selling to their competitor that is malicious.

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