Poll of the Day > HAMAS invades Israel

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Lokarin 10/08/23 2:06:09 AM #1:	Not good; they're making it very hard to have a free Palestine. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:976539485] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Not good; they're making it very hard to have a free Palestine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 10/08/23 2:44:24 AM #2:	They weren't getting a free Palestine either way --- http://i.imgur.com/1XbPahR.png <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:976539789] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>They weren't getting a free Palestine either way </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 10/08/23 2:58:13 AM #3:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/0/AAUdByAAE6XO.jpg --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:976539900] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/0/AAUdByAAE6XO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 10/08/23 8:44:01 AM #4:	I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:976541773] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 10/08/23 9:17:48 AM #5:	ReturnOfFa posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/0/AAUdByAAE6XO.jpg Im dead. --- I'll destroy you in Street Fighter, For Honor, COD, and hungry hungry hippos. <cite>HornedLion posted [p:976542067] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/0/AAUdByAAE6XO.jpg</quote>Im dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 10/08/23 9:20:27 AM #6:	Many dead people unfortunately --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:976542096] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Many dead people unfortunately </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 10/08/23 1:13:54 PM #7:	BUMPED2002 posted... I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948. A British territory taken from the Ottomans in WW1. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:976544881] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite><quote>I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948.</quote>A British territory taken from the Ottomans in WW1. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 10/08/23 1:30:31 PM #8:	BUMPED2002 posted... I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948. Prior to WWI it was under the control of the Ottoman Empire. From 1920 to 1948, it was Mandatory Palestine, established by the League of Nations, and placed under the control of the British. In 1947 the UN attempted to partition the land into two states, with Jerusalem under UN control; the Jewish and Arab communities instead went to war. When the Mandate expired in 1948, the surrounding Arab states, Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, and Syria, invaded, sparking the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The result of the war was the Jewish state now occupied 60% of the area proposed for the Arab state. Following the Six-Day War of 1967, the Israelis occupied 100% of the Palestinian territories. --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:976545127] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite><quote>I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948.</quote>Prior to WWI it was under the control of the Ottoman Empire. From 1920 to 1948, it was Mandatory Palestine, established by the League of Nations, and placed under the control of the British. In 1947 the UN attempted to partition the land into two states, with Jerusalem under UN control; the Jewish and Arab communities instead went to war. When the Mandate expired in 1948, the surrounding Arab states, Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, and Syria, invaded, sparking the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The result of the war was the Jewish state now occupied 60% of the area proposed for the Arab state. Following the Six-Day War of 1967, the Israelis occupied 100% of the Palestinian territories. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 10/08/23 1:53:43 PM #9:	Feel bad for Palestinians and the Israelis who haven't spent their lives enjoying Palestinian suffering. <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:976545467] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Feel bad for Palestinians and the Israelis who haven't spent their lives enjoying Palestinian suffering. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 10/08/23 2:12:06 PM #10:	I don't agree with strikes on civilians but the characterization of any Palestinean resistance as 'terrorism' doesn't sit right with me --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:976545752] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>I don't agree with strikes on civilians but the characterization of any Palestinean resistance as 'terrorism' doesn't sit right with me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 10/08/23 2:33:52 PM #11:	Thousands of years fighting over a useless patch of dirt because a book told you it belonged to you --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:976546117] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Thousands of years fighting over a useless patch of dirt because a book told you it belonged to you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler-X 10/08/23 5:17:37 PM #12:	The news is stating the festival that was attacked had foreign visitors and artists. Will this escalate the moment countries like the US learn citizens of theirs are amongst the casualties/abductees? --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler-X posted [p:976548786] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>The news is stating the festival that was attacked had foreign visitors and artists. Will this escalate the moment countries like the US learn citizens of theirs are amongst the casualties/abductees? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 10/08/23 5:46:39 PM #13:	Apparently Fox News just reported "600K dead" Wow, 8% of the country's population gone in one attack. --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:976549249] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Apparently Fox News just reported "600K dead"Wow, 8% of the country's population gone in one attack. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 10/08/23 5:48:51 PM #14:	I've seen some extremely disturbing footage of...bodies carted around in the back of pickup trucks. Overall I just feel pretty sick. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:976549289] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>I've seen some extremely disturbing footage of...bodies carted around in the back of pickup trucks. Overall I just feel pretty sick. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slacker03150 10/08/23 6:11:16 PM #15:	Nichtcrawler-X posted... The news is stating the festival that was attacked had foreign visitors and artists. Will this escalate the moment countries like the US learn citizens of theirs are amongst the casualties/abductees? Saw a reddit post earlier saying that one of the German attendees had to be identified by her family from footage of her naked dead body being dragged through the street and spit on. But not sure how Isreal would react to German troops. --- I am awesome and so are you. Lenny gone but not forgotten. - 12/10/2015 <cite>slacker03150 posted [p:976549653] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler-X posted... </cite><quote>The news is stating the festival that was attacked had foreign visitors and artists. Will this escalate the moment countries like the US learn citizens of theirs are amongst the casualties/abductees?</quote>Saw a reddit post earlier saying that one of the German attendees had to be identified by her family from footage of her naked dead body being dragged through the street and spit on. But not sure how Isreal would react to German troops. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler-X 10/08/23 6:48:07 PM #16:	slacker03150 posted... But not sure how Isreal would react to German troops. That ship has sailed. If you allow foreign civilians to be killed by insurgents in your country, you really cannot complain about those foreign powers doing everything in their capability to seek recompense/justice/whatever. --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler-X posted [p:976550264] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>slacker03150 posted... </cite><quote>But not sure how Isreal would react to German troops.</quote>That ship has sailed. If you allow foreign civilians to be killed by insurgents in your country, you really cannot complain about those foreign powers doing everything in their capability to seek recompense/justice/whatever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 10/08/23 9:22:24 PM #17:	slacker03150 posted... Saw a reddit post earlier saying that one of the German attendees had to be identified by her family from footage of her naked dead body being dragged through the street and spit on. But not sure how Isreal would react to German troops. That's the video I was talking about...I saw the video. The body was in the back of a pickup truck with limbs all akimbo. I was very disturbing. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:976552972] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>slacker03150 posted... </cite><quote>Saw a reddit post earlier saying that one of the German attendees had to be identified by her family from footage of her naked dead body being dragged through the street and spit on. But not sure how Isreal would react to German troops.</quote>That's the video I was talking about...I saw the video. The body was in the back of a pickup truck with limbs all akimbo. I was very disturbing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PK_Spam 10/08/23 9:38:48 PM #18:	Blightzkrieg posted... They weren't getting a free Palestine either way --- "You're not a good person, you'll never be one, you'll never even convince anyone to mistakenly believe you to be one." -HCE to me <cite>PK_Spam posted [p:976553296] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite><quote>They weren't getting a free Palestine either way</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 10/08/23 10:15:35 PM #19:	Blightzkrieg posted... They weren't getting a free Palestine either way Anyone who is going to be in favor of it at this point is a monster. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:976553847] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite><quote>They weren't getting a free Palestine either way</quote>Anyone who is going to be in favor of it at this point is a monster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathMagnetic80 10/08/23 10:16:13 PM #20:	Zareth posted... Thousands of years fighting over a useless patch of dirt because a book told you it belonged to you It hasn't really been "thousands of years", Islam has only been around for about 1400 years, and most of the fighting is a much more recent thing. <cite>DeathMagnetic80 posted [p:976553859] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite><quote>Thousands of years fighting over a useless patch of dirt because a book told you it belonged to you</quote>It hasn't really been "thousands of years", Islam has only been around for about 1400 years, and most of the fighting is a much more recent thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 10/08/23 10:19:45 PM #21:	Zareth posted... Thousands of years fighting over a useless patch of dirt because a book told you it belonged to you Just to be clear if you think this conflict is from thousands of years ago you're believing a lie. The roots of this current conflict go back to WW1. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:976553904] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite><quote>Thousands of years fighting over a useless patch of dirt because a book told you it belonged to you</quote>Just to be clear if you think this conflict is from thousands of years ago you're believing a lie. The roots of this current conflict go back to WW1.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 10/08/23 11:06:51 PM #22:	1917 Balfour Accord hayehoehoe --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:976554710] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>1917 Balfour Accord hayehoehoe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
something316 10/09/23 1:07:12 PM #23:	lol again asking for free palestine. why don't u get a fcking job already so u can afford one jeez --- no <cite>something316 posted [p:976562413] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>lol again asking for free palestine. why don't u get a fcking job already so u can afford one jeez </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/13/23 4:11:10 PM #24:	Israel demands gaza be evacuated... in 1 day 1 million people --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:976639576] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Israel demands gaza be evacuated... in 1 day1 million people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 10/13/23 4:30:46 PM #25:	Maybe a controversial opinion but I believe that killing innocents is wrong --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:976639911] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Maybe a controversial opinion but I believe that killing innocents is wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 10/13/23 4:34:21 PM #26:	Lokarin posted... Israel demands gaza be evacuated... in 1 day 1 million people https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/1/7/AAQwHjAAE7jl.jpg --- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:976639985] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite><quote>Israel demands gaza be evacuated... in 1 day1 million people</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/1/7/AAQwHjAAE7jl.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Thunder 10/13/23 4:35:17 PM #27:	Zareth posted... Maybe a controversial opinion but I believe that killing innocents is wrong https://i.imgur.com/h1D4iEj.jpg --- Resident Synthwave enjoyer. Music: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv4cNOBY2eCInbxg6B-KRks6vKMfmFvtp <cite>Blue_Thunder posted [p:976640005] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted...</cite><quote>Maybe a controversial opinion but I believe that killing innocents is wrong</quote>https://i.imgur.com/h1D4iEj.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/14/23 12:34:07 AM #28:	Dang - If you wanna get ratio'd, say you support both Israel and Palestine in peace. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:976647145] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Dang - If you wanna get ratio'd, say you support both Israel and Palestine in peace. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 10/14/23 4:23:46 AM #29:	BUMPED2002 posted... I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948. Split. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/2/AAZbq1AAE7qO.jpg <cite>zebatov posted [p:976648717] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite><quote>I always find it odd that the so called Jewish state Israel never existed until 1948 so where was it before 1948.</quote>Split.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/2/AAZbq1AAE7qO.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 10/14/23 8:22:04 AM #30:	If you go back even earlier you'll find the Israelites have a long history of genociding the people who were in Palestine before them --- http://i.imgur.com/1XbPahR.png <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:976650061] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>If you go back even earlier you'll find the Israelites have a long history of genociding the people who were in Palestine before them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
caprontos 10/14/23 10:26:58 AM #31:	Blightzkrieg posted... They weren't getting a free Palestine either way To be fair if Israel were some how able to create a Palestinian state unilaterally and deport all Palestinians from its land to it. With in a a year it'd be a dictatorship run by he first guy they made leader(or the military leader if he was to week to control them) and they would be oppressed by him. They never were and never will be free. Reality is they could of found peace at any time in 75 years, and have chosen war at every opportunity. Like Obama's pastor says, Their chickens are coming home to roost. The only way there could be peace is, step one - both parties have to accept the other exists and has a right to exist. Israel accepts that - Palestinians do not. You can never move on before this step is done. Can't have a one -sided peace unless you drive them into the sea. Which is what the Arabs/Muslims/Persians etc. have said they wanted to do, since Israel was born. <cite>caprontos posted [p:976651215] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite><quote>They weren't getting a free Palestine either way</quote>To be fair if Israel were some how able to create a Palestinian state unilaterally and deport all Palestinians from its land to it. With in a a year it'd be a dictatorship run by he first guy they made leader(or the military leader if he was to week to control them) and they would be oppressed by him. They never were and never will be free. Reality is they could of found peace at any time in 75 years, and have chosen war at every opportunity. Like Obama's pastor says, Their chickens are coming home to roost.The only way there could be peace is, step one - both parties have to accept the other exists and has a right to exist. Israel accepts that - Palestinians do not. You can never move on before this step is done. Can't have a one -sided peace unless you drive them into the sea. Which is what the Arabs/Muslims/Persians etc. have said they wanted to do, since Israel was born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/14/23 11:05:15 AM #32:	caprontos posted... The only way there could be peace is, step one - both parties have to accept the other exists and has a right to exist. Israel accepts that Not remotely. Israel treats Palestinians like garbage, having stripped them of nearly every right they possibly could and stopping just barely short of exterminating the lot of them (and even then they've made quite a few earnest attempts at genocide). You don't get to impose apartheid over a population and then surprisedpickachu.jpg when that population ends up resenting you. Would there still be resentment toward Israel even if they weren't being massive assholes to Palestinians? Absolutely. That's kind of inevitable when your colonial oppressor decides to invent a country on top of yours and expects you to get along with the new people. But the first step to improving those relations has to be making a genuine effort to coexist peacefully and equitably, not establishing oppression at the institutional level in hopes that everyone will give up and go somewhere else. Israel is the one with the power to take that first step, and they've chosen not to, making this whole mess their fault. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:976651684] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>caprontos posted... </cite><quote>The only way there could be peace is, step one - both parties have to accept the other exists and has a right to exist. Israel accepts that</quote>Not remotely. Israel treats Palestinians like garbage, having stripped them of nearly every right they possibly could and stopping just barely short of exterminating the lot of them (and even then they've made quite a few earnest attempts at genocide). You don't get to impose apartheid over a population and then surprisedpickachu.jpg when that population ends up resenting you.Would there still be resentment toward Israel even if they weren't being massive assholes to Palestinians? Absolutely. That's kind of inevitable when your colonial oppressor decides to invent a country on top of yours and expects you to get along with the new people. But the first step to improving those relations has to be making a genuine effort to coexist peacefully and equitably, not establishing oppression at the institutional level in hopes that everyone will give up and go somewhere else. Israel is the one with the power to take that first step, and they've chosen not to, making this whole mess their fault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 10/14/23 8:42:01 PM #33:	Where is the pita bread when you need it? --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:976660475] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Where is the pita bread when you need it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/15/23 4:10:20 PM #34:	Israel uses white phosphorous on civilians... And on Lebanon, because they have such good aim --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:976673207] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Israel uses white phosphorous on civilians...And on Lebanon, because they have such good aim </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nichtcrawler-X 10/15/23 4:25:15 PM #35:	Wait, so no plausible deniability, Israel is just openly committing war crimes now? --- Official Teetotaller of PotD Dovie'andi se tovya sagain! <cite>Nichtcrawler-X posted [p:976673493] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Wait, so no plausible deniability, Israel is just openly committing war crimes now? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/15/23 4:30:23 PM #36:	Nichtcrawler-X posted... Wait, so no plausible deniability, Israel is just openly committing war crimes now? I think their response was "it was too low to count as airburst" or something... i've been banned on twitter for several months so I'm slow on the infos --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:976673606] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler-X posted... </cite><quote>Wait, so no plausible deniability, Israel is just openly committing war crimes now?</quote>I think their response was "it was too low to count as airburst" or something... i've been banned on twitter for several months so I'm slow on the infos </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 10/15/23 5:08:08 PM #37:	Nichtcrawler-X posted... Wait, so no plausible deniability, Israel is just openly committing war crimes now? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/5/AAKdAqAADYSR.jpg --- http://i.imgur.com/1XbPahR.png <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:976674385] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Nichtcrawler-X posted... </cite><quote>Wait, so no plausible deniability, Israel is just openly committing war crimes now?</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/5/AAKdAqAADYSR.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lobomoon 10/15/23 8:18:22 PM #38:	Egypt locked the border - even they don't want Palestinians. --- 'Anyone can make war but only the most courageous can make peace' - President Donald J Trump <cite>Lobomoon posted [p:976677729] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Egypt locked the border - even they don't want Palestinians. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
caprontos 10/15/23 9:15:20 PM #39:	adjl posted... Not remotely. Israel treats Palestinians like garbage, having stripped them of nearly every right they possibly could and stopping just barely short of exterminating the lot of them (and even then they've made quite a few earnest attempts at genocide). You don't get to impose apartheid over a population and then surprisedpickachu.jpg when that population ends up resenting you. Would there still be resentment toward Israel even if they weren't being massive assholes to Palestinians? Absolutely. That's kind of inevitable when your colonial oppressor decides to invent a country on top of yours and expects you to get along with the new people. But the first step to improving those relations has to be making a genuine effort to coexist peacefully and equitably, not establishing oppression at the institutional level in hopes that everyone will give up and go somewhere else. Israel is the one with the power to take that first step, and they've chosen not to, making this whole mess their fault. That's all non-sense really. There is no genocide (if there were, they the worst at it), there is no apartheid, there is no unearned oppression. What you see is the Israeli response given to the Palestinians actions - no ones prefect but gotta make a choice, and those choices were made. They chose to be at war with Israel and suffer the consequences of choosing to continue the war, instead of just accepting they lost and can't win. They're never getting all of Israel back, it's not happening ever. They need to just accept Israel exists, and start working on how to exist with them, because existing against them isn't working out for them at all. It's also not from how Israel treats them anyway. They've been at war with Israel since it was founded. They showed Israel what they were about right away and have never changed, only grew bitter and don't want to be held accountable. There were also always Jews in Palestine, and it's only called Palestine because the Romans didn't like the Jews so change the name to spite them. The Quran says Jerusalem belongs to the Jews, so shows even Islam acknowledged the Jewish connection to the land way after they stopped existing at a nation. It wasn't invented, it was re-establish based on a western promise to the Jews (and those western powers controlled the land and could do what they wanted with it). Also Arabs weren't forced to leave Israel, but Jews were forced out of every other Middle east nation (because they also used to live everywhere). So it's more the middle east own fault for both forcing all Jews to move to Israel, and the Arabs deciding they don't want to live in Israel, till after. Jordan was given to be an Arab land (out of the promised land to Israel), so they had a place to go, but Jordan didn't really want them (nor did any other Islamic nation, weirdly). In 75 years, Palestinians have done nothing accept fight Israel unsuccessfully. They have taken every single thing given to them, and used it to make and acquire weapons, to attack Israel with the stated goal to drive the Jews into the sea. If they used those resources instead on building infrastructure and work and a functional democracy and dealt with Israel peacefully, they'd be at peace and be prospering right along side Israel by now. In 75 years every major peace plan that was proposed and pushed, Israel agreed (even if they didn't want to), and Palestinians launched a war on Israel in response. Israel has taken the first five steps every single time for peace, and only get more death in return. Kinda hard to make peace with someone who has already publicly stated they will never have peace with you, and will only be happy when your all dead. Despite that, Israel is still are trying, hoping their children will wake up I guess. Like I said step one is the Palestinians have to accept Israel exists, and has a right to. Till they do that , there can only be suffering for both sides. Wouldn't hurt to also get Iran to accept it because they are just funding Palestine to maintain a proxy war with Israel. Easier to let them die then Iranians right + you get free negative press toward Jews globally, It's a like a win-win for terrorist. Israel's laws have no relevancy to anything either. If they got there own state they'd be under their "own" laws, the faster they face the facts, the faster they can move into their new dictatorship... I mean "Peoples Democracy" or some name to pretend the people have a voice but actually don't. <cite>caprontos posted [p:976678628] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite><quote>Not remotely. Israel treats Palestinians like garbage, having stripped them of nearly every right they possibly could and stopping just barely short of exterminating the lot of them (and even then they've made quite a few earnest attempts at genocide). You don't get to impose apartheid over a population and then surprisedpickachu.jpg when that population ends up resenting you.Would there still be resentment toward Israel even if they weren't being massive assholes to Palestinians? Absolutely. That's kind of inevitable when your colonial oppressor decides to invent a country on top of yours and expects you to get along with the new people. But the first step to improving those relations has to be making a genuine effort to coexist peacefully and equitably, not establishing oppression at the institutional level in hopes that everyone will give up and go somewhere else. Israel is the one with the power to take that first step, and they've chosen not to, making this whole mess their fault.</quote>That's all non-sense really. There is no genocide (if there were, they the worst at it), there is no apartheid, there is no unearned oppression. What you see is the Israeli response given to the Palestinians actions - no ones prefect but gotta make a choice, and those choices were made. They chose to be at war with Israel and suffer the consequences of choosing to continue the war, instead of just accepting they lost and can't win. They're never getting all of Israel back, it's not happening ever. They need to just accept Israel exists, and start working on how to exist with them, because existing against them isn't working out for them at all. It's also not from how Israel treats them anyway. They've been at war with Israel since it was founded. They showed Israel what they were about right away and have never changed, only grew bitter and don't want to be held accountable. There were also always Jews in Palestine, and it's only called Palestine because the Romans didn't like the Jews so change the name to spite them. The Quran says Jerusalem belongs to the Jews, so shows even Islam acknowledged the Jewish connection to the land way after they stopped existing at a nation. It wasn't invented, it was re-establish based on a western promise to the Jews (and those western powers controlled the land and could do what they wanted with it). Also Arabs weren't forced to leave Israel, but Jews were forced out of every other Middle east nation (because they also used to live everywhere). So it's more the middle east own fault for both forcing all Jews to move to Israel, and the Arabs deciding they don't want to live in Israel, till after. Jordan was given to be an Arab land (out of the promised land to Israel), so they had a place to go, but Jordan didn't really want them (nor did any other Islamic nation, weirdly). In 75 years, Palestinians have done nothing accept fight Israel unsuccessfully. They have taken every single thing given to them, and used it to make and acquire weapons, to attack Israel with the stated goal to drive the Jews into the sea. If they used those resources instead on building infrastructure and work and a functional democracy and dealt with Israel peacefully, they'd be at peace and be prospering right along side Israel by now.In 75 years every major peace plan that was proposed and pushed, Israel agreed (even if they didn't want to), and Palestinians launched a war on Israel in response. Israel has taken the first five steps every single time for peace, and only get more death in return. Kinda hard to make peace with someone who has already publicly stated they will never have peace with you, and will only be happy when your all dead. Despite that, Israel is still are trying, hoping their children will wake up I guess.Like I said step one is the Palestinians have to accept Israel exists, and has a right to. Till they do that , there can only be suffering for both sides. Wouldn't hurt to also get Iran to accept it because they are just funding Palestine to maintain a proxy war with Israel. Easier to let them die then Iranians right + you get free negative press toward Jews globally, It's a like a win-win for terrorist.Israel's laws have no relevancy to anything either. If they got there own state they'd be under their "own" laws, the faster they face the facts, the faster they can move into their new dictatorship... I mean "Peoples Democracy" or some name to pretend the people have a voice but actually don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 10/15/23 9:25:10 PM #40:	To think we were so close to a completely uniform PotD response to the ongoing genocide against the Palestine people Just Google Palestine map over time. You may notice it shrinks to smaller and smaller areas over time, for some reason. Not to mention the well documented human rights violations against Palestine people substantiated by basically every existing human rights organization. I mean, Biden had to put his foot down at allowing civilians to drink clean water in the southern part of the gaza strip (the bare minimum) <cite>Yellow posted [p:976678795] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>To think we were so close to a completely uniform PotD response to the ongoing genocide against the Palestine peopleJust Google Palestine map over time. You may notice it shrinks to smaller and smaller areas over time, for some reason.Not to mention the well documented human rights violations against Palestine people substantiated by basically every existing human rights organization.I mean, Biden had to put his foot down at allowing civilians to drink clean water in the southern part of the gaza strip (the bare minimum)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 10/15/23 10:08:48 PM #41:	You don't understand, man, the Palestinians MADE Israel bomb that hospital --- What would Bligh do? <cite>Zareth posted [p:976679484] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>You don't understand, man, the Palestinians MADE Israel bomb that hospital </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/15/23 10:37:02 PM #42:	caprontos posted... There is no genocide (if there were, they the worst at it) Prior to the events of this past week (and probably still now, with the magnitude of the retaliation), Israel had killed more than an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians than vice versa. They've perpetrated as much genocide as they can get away with, and Netenyahu has on multiple occasions explicitly expressed the desire to do more. caprontos posted... there is no apartheid I'll just direct you to this post because he summarizes how overtly false this claim is well enough that I see no reason to reinvent the wheel: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/80587529/976538867 caprontos posted... there is no unearned oppression. The notion of "earned oppression" is a rather horrifying thought and kind of throws any pretense of trying to approach this from the perspective of a good person out the window. caprontos posted... They've been at war with Israel since it was founded. Also from that linked post, Israel was actively expanding Jewish settlements at the expense of Arab citizens for a solid decade before Hamas became active. caprontos posted... It wasn't invented, it was re-establish based on a western promise to the Jews (and those western powers controlled the land and could do what they wanted with it). That's inventing it. The region hadn't been significantly under Jewish control for literally thousands of years. "Re-establishing" that after so long is functionally identical to creating it out of thin air. The Britain claimed the land after the Ottoman Empire fell does mean that they had a legal right to do whatever they wanted with it, that doesn't mean they can't be blamed for the consequences of their colonial decision to massively overturn the status quo. In hindsight, establishing the country of Israel post-WWII made a colossal mess of the region. That's not even really up for debate (much like the fact that the colonial borders drawn post-WWI are the root of much of the instability that still plagues the Middle East). Disestablishing it now would probably be an even worse idea, but recognizing the root of the problem is still important. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:976679913] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>caprontos posted... </cite><quote>There is no genocide (if there were, they the worst at it)</quote>Prior to the events of this past week (and probably still now, with the magnitude of the retaliation), Israel had killed more than an order of magnitude more Palestinian civilians than vice versa. They've perpetrated as much genocide as they can get away with, and Netenyahu has on multiple occasions explicitly expressed the desire to do more.caprontos posted... </cite><quote>there is no apartheid</quote>I'll just direct you to this post because he summarizes how overtly false this claim is well enough that I see no reason to reinvent the wheel:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/80587529/976538867caprontos posted... </cite><quote>there is no unearned oppression.</quote>The notion of "earned oppression" is a rather horrifying thought and kind of throws any pretense of trying to approach this from the perspective of a good person out the window.caprontos posted... </cite><quote>They've been at war with Israel since it was founded.</quote>Also from that linked post, Israel was actively expanding Jewish settlements at the expense of Arab citizens for a solid decade before Hamas became active.caprontos posted... </cite><quote>It wasn't invented, it was re-establish based on a western promise to the Jews (and those western powers controlled the land and could do what they wanted with it).</quote>That's inventing it. The region hadn't been significantly under Jewish control for literally thousands of years. "Re-establishing" that after so long is functionally identical to creating it out of thin air. The Britain claimed the land after the Ottoman Empire fell does mean that they had a legal right to do whatever they wanted with it, that doesn't mean they can't be blamed for the consequences of their colonial decision to massively overturn the status quo. In hindsight, establishing the country of Israel post-WWII made a colossal mess of the region. That's not even really up for debate (much like the fact that the colonial borders drawn post-WWI are the root of much of the instability that still plagues the Middle East). Disestablishing it now would probably be an even worse idea, but recognizing the root of the problem is still important. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 10/16/23 12:52:31 AM #43:	I'm way more disgusted by Hamas than usual. I know that sounds stupid, but the shit they did was legitimately shocking and disgusting too. That still doesn't stop me from also being disgusted by Israel levelling entire blocks of buildings. I know this shit still sounds naive, because I've watched so much awful shit, but I thought you're supposed to try and follow rules of engagement in war and avoid killing innocent people. I know this has been ignored by the US. I know this has basically been ignored by...everyone. It still doesn't stop me from observing a more powerful 'controller' class boxing in a group of people and commiting war crimes against them. Yes, there are reciprocal war crimes. Often it starts from one side, often another. I always consider the more powerful actor the one most capable of implementing measures to dial things back. Israel vs. Palestine at this point is a reciprocal terrorist mill. Civilians are massacred for little reason. I'm a lot more grossed out by Hamas this time around, so I don't like slogans like "Resistence is not Terrorism!" because there are both. But the entire complicity around Israel displacing tens of thousands of people is nutty as all hell. People forget that Assad did this stuff to his own people and there're people that think the USA screwed Syria up...ha... --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:976681675] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>I'm way more disgusted by Hamas than usual. I know that sounds stupid, but the shit they did was legitimately shocking and disgusting too.That still doesn't stop me from also being disgusted by Israel levelling entire blocks of buildings. I know this shit still sounds naive, because I've watched so much awful shit, but I thought you're supposed to try and follow rules of engagement in war and avoid killing innocent people. I know this has been ignored by the US. I know this has basically been ignored by...everyone. It still doesn't stop me from observing a more powerful 'controller' class boxing in a group of people and commiting war crimes against them. Yes, there are reciprocal war crimes. Often it starts from one side, often another. I always consider the more powerful actor the one most capable of implementing measures to dial things back. Israel vs. Palestine at this point is a reciprocal terrorist mill. Civilians are massacred for little reason. I'm a lot more grossed out by Hamas this time around, so I don't like slogans like "Resistence is not Terrorism!" because there are both. But the entire complicity around Israel displacing tens of thousands of people is nutty as all hell. People forget that Assad did this stuff to his own people and there're people that think the USA screwed Syria up...ha... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 10/16/23 12:53:34 AM #44:	I'd probably compare it to apartheid tbh. Even if the retaliation has gotten extreme it still closely represents it. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:976681689] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>I'd probably compare it to apartheid tbh. Even if the retaliation has gotten extreme it still closely represents it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/16/23 8:46:08 AM #45:	ReturnOfFa posted... I'd probably compare it to apartheid tbh. Even if the retaliation has gotten extreme it still closely represents it. South Africa's apartheid? Absolutely. Remember that Mandela was quite unambiguously a terrorist. He didn't decapitate any babies, obviously, but South Africa had a very similar situation going on where whites were institutionally oppressing blacks, blacks were lashing out violently, and that violence was met with further retaliatory violence from whites. Mandela was released from prison not because he was innocent, but because South Africa's leadership chose to stop the cycle of violence and oppression and forgive him. ReturnOfFa posted... I always consider the more powerful actor the one most capable of implementing measures to dial things back. Israel vs. Palestine at this point is a reciprocal terrorist mill. Civilians are massacred for little reason. I'm a lot more grossed out by Hamas this time around, so I don't like slogans like "Resistence is not Terrorism!" because there are both. But the entire complicity around Israel displacing tens of thousands of people is nutty as all hell. Exactly. Retaliatory terrorism isn't going to help. It's just going to further radicalize Palestinians who see no hope except whatever Hamas offers them. Calling Hamas "freedom fighters" isn't altogether accurate because they aren't really prioritizing freedom in their actions (if they were, they'd be a lot more strategic about trying to take control of land/resources that instead of just racking up a civilian body count whenever the opportunity presents itself), but they are the only ones fighting for Palestinians' freedom in any capacity. Hamas would lose a ton of support if Palestinian civilians had better lives and weren't being oppressed by Israel, and most of their power would go with that. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:976684812] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite><quote>I'd probably compare it to apartheid tbh. Even if the retaliation has gotten extreme it still closely represents it.</quote>South Africa's apartheid? Absolutely. Remember that Mandela was quite unambiguously a terrorist. He didn't decapitate any babies, obviously, but South Africa had a very similar situation going on where whites were institutionally oppressing blacks, blacks were lashing out violently, and that violence was met with further retaliatory violence from whites. Mandela was released from prison not because he was innocent, but because South Africa's leadership chose to stop the cycle of violence and oppression and forgive him.ReturnOfFa posted... </cite><quote>I always consider the more powerful actor the one most capable of implementing measures to dial things back. Israel vs. Palestine at this point is a reciprocal terrorist mill. Civilians are massacred for little reason. I'm a lot more grossed out by Hamas this time around, so I don't like slogans like "Resistence is not Terrorism!" because there are both. But the entire complicity around Israel displacing tens of thousands of people is nutty as all hell.</quote>Exactly. Retaliatory terrorism isn't going to help. It's just going to further radicalize Palestinians who see no hope except whatever Hamas offers them. Calling Hamas "freedom fighters" isn't altogether accurate because they aren't really prioritizing freedom in their actions (if they were, they'd be a lot more strategic about trying to take control of land/resources that instead of just racking up a civilian body count whenever the opportunity presents itself), but they are the only ones fighting for Palestinians' freedom in any capacity. Hamas would lose a ton of support if Palestinian civilians had better lives and weren't being oppressed by Israel, and most of their power would go with that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 10/17/23 3:36:40 AM #46:	https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videographer-killed-southern-lebanon-2023-10-13/ So... an Israeli missile hits a journalist in Lebanon And some BBC dudes were struck in Tel Aviv... how? Like, physically how --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:976701590] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videographer-killed-southern-lebanon-2023-10-13/So... an Israeli missile hits a journalist in LebanonAnd some BBC dudes were struck in Tel Aviv... how? Like, physically how </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lobomoon 10/17/23 6:10:35 PM #47:	Lokarin posted... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videographer-killed-southern-lebanon-2023-10-13/ So... an Israeli missile hits a journalist in Lebanon So he was like watching this missile in the sky and for some reason it was getting bigger and bigger. At first he couldn't understand what was going on, but then it hit him... --- 'Anyone can make war but only the most courageous can make peace' - President Donald J Trump <cite>Lobomoon posted [p:976713035] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite><quote>https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/reuters-videographer-killed-southern-lebanon-2023-10-13/So... an Israeli missile hits a journalist in Lebanon</quote>So he was like watching this missile in the sky and for some reason it was getting bigger and bigger. At first he couldn't understand what was going on, but then it hit him... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 10/17/23 6:49:35 PM #48:	Israel apparently blew up a hospital in Gaza today. 500+ dead according to Palestinian authorities. Israel has claimed that Gaza is responsible and it was a friendly fire incident. I am sceptical, to say the least. adjl posted... He didn't decapitate any babies FYI, the baby-decapitation story is now generally believed to be a hoax, as there isn't any evidence substantiating it. caprontos posted... There is no genocide I mean, Israeli president Isaac Herzog literally said a couple of days ago that there were no innocent civilians in Gaza, which is quite a statement considering a) It comes from one of the highest offices of the Israeli government and b) That statement would include the 800,000 children that live in Gaza, who make up just under half of the territory's populace (and who have been dying in appalling numbers during this war). That certainly sounds like genocidal language to me. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:976713838] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>Israel apparently blew up a hospital in Gaza today. 500+ dead according to Palestinian authorities. Israel has claimed that Gaza is responsible and it was a friendly fire incident. I am sceptical, to say the least.adjl posted... </cite><quote>He didn't decapitate any babies</quote>FYI, the baby-decapitation story is now generally believed to be a hoax, as there isn't any evidence substantiating it.caprontos posted... </cite><quote>There is no genocide</quote>I mean, Israeli president Isaac Herzog literally said a couple of days ago that there were no innocent civilians in Gaza, which is quite a statement considering a) It comes from one of the highest offices of the Israeli government and b) That statement would include the 800,000 children that live in Gaza, who make up just under half of the territory's populace (and who have been dying in appalling numbers during this war).That certainly sounds like genocidal language to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/17/23 7:48:19 PM #49:	darkknight109 posted... I, the baby-decapitation story is now generally believed to be a hoax, as there isn't any evidence substantiating it. Doesn't surprise me, but I'd also consider it largely academic. Hamas is a terrorist organization and they do terroristy things, regardless of how true that story was. I personally didn't think any more or less of them for decapitating babies, and I won't think any more or less of them if they actually didn't do it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:976714910] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted... </cite><quote>I, the baby-decapitation story is now generally believed to be a hoax, as there isn't any evidence substantiating it.</quote>Doesn't surprise me, but I'd also consider it largely academic. Hamas is a terrorist organization and they do terroristy things, regardless of how true that story was. I personally didn't think any more or less of them for decapitating babies, and I won't think any more or less of them if they actually didn't do it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChronoXGP 10/18/23 12:07:39 AM #50:	Hamas is a terrorist organization https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/5/AAfgQjAAE2PP.jpg <cite>ChronoXGP posted [p:976718867] in HAMAS inva... [t:80588136]...</cite> <quote><quote>Hamas is a terrorist organization</quote><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/5/AAfgQjAAE2PP.jpg </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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