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Viktor Vaughn
07/12/11 8:46:00 PM
#301:


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SmartMuffin
07/12/11 11:04:00 PM
#302:


ShawnMichaels_ Shawn Michaels
That's why I wanted to know @keithmarkmra . Amazing!! Next week, Michael Cole tries to ruin MRA. A very funny show, next week:-)


Well uh, this should be... interesting?

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Liberal Degenerate
07/13/11 12:07:00 AM
#303:


Vince and Ryder sign for those who didn't catch it

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notice how the "NO CHANCE" pops up right after he points to it

depressingly accurate coincidence right there

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Lopen
07/13/11 12:12:00 AM
#304:


You know after seeing that gif I'm not so sure Vince was acknowledging that Zack Ryder existed there

He could've been pointing at Hogan <_<

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Gr8CyberMonkey
07/13/11 12:59:00 AM
#305:


I think you're right. Dammit.

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Haguile
07/13/11 1:02:00 AM
#306:


We'll never know.

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muddersmilk
07/13/11 5:50:00 AM
#307:


Yeah, at the very least the Hulk guy thinks Vince is pointing at him.

Also, I vote A. That is how much faith I have in the WWE.

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voltch
07/13/11 5:58:00 AM
#308:


Even when he's not in the company Hogan is holding talent down.

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Tom Bombadil
07/13/11 6:26:00 AM
#309:


I dreamed last night that I WAS Zack Ryder. I don't remember details but I remember cutting a promo with all his catchphrases and I think somehow I got a title shot when I wasn't supposed to

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Dantezoid
07/13/11 6:27:00 AM
#310:


was it against Sheamus

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Tom Bombadil
07/13/11 6:28:00 AM
#311:


maybe?

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Dantezoid
07/13/11 6:30:00 AM
#312:


get better dream recall

I mean my god I was able to remember a 2 second flash of the IRS trying to get into a cave blocked by a boulder to tax Sheamus >:(

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voltch
07/13/11 6:42:00 AM
#313:


TNA signs Kid Kash

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FFDragon
07/13/11 6:44:00 AM
#314:


It's like 2003 all over again.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 6:45:00 AM
#315:


My theory actually is that that Zack Ryder sign was a plant, to play along with the angle of Punk's accusations of Vince.

I mean, it just flat out says "Zack Ryder" with the Ryder head logo. Most regular Ryder signs say "WWWYKI" or "We Want Ryder" or "Ryder or Riot" or "Broski of the Week" or whatnot.

That sign was plainer conceptually than almost all the others, IMO to help casuals understand what it represented, and it was EXTREMELY perfectly placed.

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SmartMuffin
07/13/11 6:47:00 AM
#316:


You know Jak, I was kind of thinking about that.

When everyone was freaking out two weeks ago, I wasn't particularly struck by any single thing Punk said. Comments about Cena being overrated, comments about wanting Vince to die and HHH and Steph being stupid, we've seen and heard all those things before. Not to the same degree, but still.

This week, the one thing that was said that kind of surprised me was when Punk went down the road of "You can't recognize what makes a superstar in 2011." To me, that probably DOES represent a REAL conversation that is being had. I mean, we KNOW it's being had here and all over the Internet, but allowing that to be said on air to me is something of an acknowledgment that it may be happening behind the scenes in WWE HQ as well. And you're right that Zack Ryder is largely representative of that.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 6:59:00 AM
#317:


Well the promo 2 weeks ago got a lot of mileage off of shock value. To me it was a fantastic moment, but definitely overrated as a promo.

The closing promo/segment this week was far, far stronger and more effective IMO as far as selling the angle goes and really defining the storyline. An all-time classic.

And yeah, I have no doubt that a lot of this angle is touching on the real feelings of a lot of people, in the business and outside of it, and capitalizing on those feelings to draw the disillusioned and estranged fans back, at least to see where this is going.

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SmartMuffin
07/13/11 6:59:00 AM
#318:


Right, I'm just excited because now we finally KNOW, for a fact, that someone looked Vince McMahon in the face and said "you suck at evaluating talent."

Even if it was a work, even though it will likely lead to NOTHING, at least it has been said!

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Tom Bombadil
07/13/11 7:06:00 AM
#319:


jakyl you not having the nintendo sig makes me so confused

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 7:07:00 AM
#320:


The ratings being sub-3.0 do depress me a little though. This thing has had 2 weeks to really simmer and now we're using "Home Run Derby was on" as an excuse?

Personally I would be pissed off that my hottest angle in years not getting great numbers was using one of the lamest things in all of sport as an excuse for doing poorly. If I was a writer, I would feel that I had failed if people would rather watch that tripe than my best work.

And I don't call things "tripe" lightly! There are a lot of things in the world I don't really "get" (NASCAR, alcohol, the NFL Draft, marriage, etc.) but in general I don't look down on people for liking those things just because I don't. I recognize that there is substance within them that for me is not worth diving deeper into, but still in fact exists.

Home Run Derby is not one of those things. It is flat out the stupidest thing put on by a professional sports league in America.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 7:08:00 AM
#321:


Nintendo sig will come back after this weekend, for now gotta have Potter hype.

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voltch
07/13/11 7:14:00 AM
#322:


I need to watch part 1, too many Swedish movies taking up my time :/

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Lopen
07/13/11 8:03:00 AM
#323:


I'm more interested in the quarterlies than the overall rating. To me if the show started and ended strong then the storyline is still being given justice.

The middle segments of Raw just weren't good at all last week. I didn't really blast it, but I did say this even though I thought Raw was good as a whole just because the opening and ending segments were that strong. I actually was one of those people who was distracted by The Home Run Derby for some of it-- not because I think the Home Run Derby is particularly interesting to watch (though it's way better than NASCAR) but because Raw was just that "zzz" for a lot of it. It fell into the formula of "PPV Build Show #1312" and I hate that formula. The segment where every member of the Raw MitB came out and cut a promo as to why they were going to win was particularly painful in this regard. The excess of hype packages didn't help either.

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DeathChicken
07/13/11 8:04:00 AM
#324:


I kinda dug that, just for the novelty of Evan Bourne actually getting mic time, which I don't think has ever happened before

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X_Dante_X
07/13/11 8:09:00 AM
#325:


Yeah, I think I actually mentioned in the chat during raw - The Punk stuff was great, the other promos ranged from okay to awesome (holy crap I actually enjoyed Vickie in a sement), and all the matches were zzzzz.

I'd definitely be interested in the quarterlies like lopen

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__Kuge__
07/13/11 8:13:00 AM
#326:


From: Lopen | Posted: 7/13/2011 8:03:20 AM | #323
t fell into the formula of "PPV Build Show #1312" and I hate that formula. The segment where every member of the Raw MitB came out and cut a promo as to why they were going to win was particularly painful in this regard. The excess of hype packages didn't help either.


I loved it when Truth was on the mic, talking about spiders and being nonsensical.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:15:00 AM
#327:


I don't think they've ever figured out any other way to build MitB on the PPV go-home show than the usual "everyone comes out and says they're gonna win, somehow turns into a big tag match" scenario.

To be honest I don't have anything better either.

I would definitely do Qualifiers on the shows leading up to the go-home show, however. I think doing those helps establish who is actually in the match better than just showing a graphic/trotting them out 1-by-1-by-damn-1 to speak on it for 10 seconds. I know there aren't enough credible guys on each brand to fill out 16 Qualifiers total, but still just do them.

Heck, do a seeding process. Take the top 16 eligible guys on each brand and seed them 1-16 and do 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, etc.

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X_Dante_X
07/13/11 8:15:00 AM
#328:


I don't care why they were back there randomly being friends, they had chemistry randomly and vickie has a great vince impression

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Lopen
07/13/11 8:15:00 AM
#329:


It wasn't a terrible promo, maybe not even technically bad, but I just gagged at how formulaic it was.

Vickie/Drew/Ziggler backstage was kinda "wtf" I'm not sure what they were going for there. Drew Dolph Vickie face turn let's do it. I guess it was okay though, strangely.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:19:00 AM
#330:


Or maybe even to help the qualifiers out so that they aren't spread super-thin, give the guys who won MitB the last time they were in it auto-entry.

Swagger and Miz would get in on that caveat on Raw, and Kane on SD. Only 13 qualifiers left to do!

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X_Dante_X
07/13/11 8:21:00 AM
#331:


I'm trying to think of who all could be the jobbers losing a MitB spot - the four obvious ones are Santino, Kozlov, Drew Mac, and Mason Ryan. Ziggles, Mcguillicutty, and Otunga are currently champs so I guess they're all out. Big Show could have taken a spot I suppose, even if they have other plans for him.

That leaves three spots, which can be filled by the superstars crew I guess - Ryder, Primo, Tyson Kidd. Everyone else credible seems to be off on injury or I just haven't seen in forever.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:22:00 AM
#332:


You forget CHRIS MASTERS.

Champs aren't out just because they're champs, they've had IC/US Champs in MitB before.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:23:00 AM
#333:


Although Tyson Kidd is a SmackDown guy so I guess it evens out.

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Lopen
07/13/11 8:24:00 AM
#334:


Eh. I think practically anything would be better than what they do. Just book them all in a battle royal for all I care. Or just randomly book a tag match between them and don't do the stupid chain 10 second promo. Or just give them random 1v1s/2v2s with singular promos before it.

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X_Dante_X
07/13/11 8:29:00 AM
#335:


so first person to get a pinfall would get the briefcase?

That'd be pretty cool, actually

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:29:00 AM
#336:


**WARNING: VINCE RUSSO-ESQUE BOOKING CONCEPT INCOMING**

They could experiment one year with making MitB operate under Royal Rumble/Elimination Chamber rules--2 guys start the match, with a new guy coming out every so often until all 8 are in. Unlike the Rumble, in this case you WANT to come in early so that you don't lose without ever having gotten into the match.

On the go-home show they could do a Battle Royal for a guaranteed #1 slot.

EDIT: the obvious flaw being that while this would work if wrestling was real, since it's not, the match would never end before all 8 entered, or at most it might end RIGHT BEFORE #8 entered just to give whoever it was something to complain about.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:31:00 AM
#337:


No, you'd still have to climb a ladder and grab the case to win.

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Lopen
07/13/11 8:33:00 AM
#338:


Oh we can Russo this up even more.

You could make it so that the MitB case starts really high and lowers slowly each time a new entrant comes out. So people would need to use a mammoth ladder to reach it before a few people have come out. This makes it easier to suspend disbelief, at least.

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muddersmilk
07/13/11 8:34:00 AM
#339:


At least there would be a reason for all the different length ladders.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:35:00 AM
#340:


They could also bring back the 49ers Match from Nitro and basically suspend FOUR MitB briefcases, with only one actually having the real contract.

And one would have a portrait of Scott Hall.

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:38:00 AM
#341:


*During the Russofied Money In the Bank Match*

Cole: "Alberto Del Rio has pinned Evan Bourne! That activates MULTIBALL!"

**8 more briefcases drop from the ceiling**

Cole: "Now the Superstars will have to guess WHICH is the real Money in the Bank briefcase!"

King: "...it's the one in the middle, the one that's been there the whole time!"

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FFDragon
07/13/11 8:38:00 AM
#342:


Lopen posted...
Oh we can Russo this up even more.

You could make it so that the MitB case starts really high and lowers slowly each time a new entrant comes out. So people would need to use a mammoth ladder to reach it before a few people have come out. This makes it easier to suspend disbelief, at least.


And in order to be able to lower the briefcase effectively...



...they put it on a pole.

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X_Dante_X
07/13/11 8:40:00 AM
#343:


Theres going to be the entire rest of the RAW roster at ringside to serve as lumberjacks, to make sure things stay in the ring, right?

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JaKyL25
07/13/11 8:43:00 AM
#344:


Yep, and if you put a Lumberjack through a table, that's the equivalent of a Mario Kart Lightning Bolt. Everyone else in the match has to suddenly fall from wherever they are and stay down for 10 seconds.

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TimJab
07/13/11 8:44:00 AM
#345:


If you were really tapped for guys to fill the qualifiers, you could always do something like "Alex Riley beats The Miz to qualify, Miz weasles his way into the match anyway." Maybe he says he deserves to be in because he won last year or because there was some controversy surrounding his loss to Riley.

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Lopen
07/13/11 8:45:00 AM
#346:


From: JaKyL25 | #341
*During the Russofied Money In the Bank Match*

Cole: "Alberto Del Rio has pinned Evan Bourne! That activates MULTIBALL!"

**8 more briefcases drop from the ceiling**

Cole: "Now the Superstars will have to guess WHICH is the real Money in the Bank briefcase!"

King: "...it's the one in the middle, the one that's been there the whole time!"

Cole: "SHHHHH!"


XD

This made me laugh way too hard

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TimJab
07/13/11 8:45:00 AM
#347:


From: JaKyL25 | #340
They could also bring back the 49ers Match from Nitro and basically suspend FOUR MitB briefcases, with only one actually having the real contract.

And one would have a portrait of Scott Hall.


JAKYL'D by over ten minutes.

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07/13/11 8:46:00 AM
#348:


ladder matches have no DQ, what's stopping #8 from coming in early?

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07/13/11 8:46:00 AM
#349:


good sportsmanship

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TimJab
07/13/11 8:47:00 AM
#350:


From: X_Dante_X | #343
Theres going to be the entire rest of the RAW roster at ringside to serve as lumberjacks, to make sure things stay in the ring, right?


That solves the qualifying problem too! Everybody on the Raw roster starts outside the ring, and the first 8 guys to get in the ring successfully are MITB participants. The rest stay outside as lumberjacks!

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