Board 8 > Let's list reasons FF12 is the 5th best game of all time

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Panthera
07/09/11 8:42:00 PM
#1:


One at a time, naturally!

- The bestiary

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Natwaf_akidna
07/09/11 8:42:00 PM
#2:


The optional hunts.

Apart from Yiazmat.

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Jeff Zero
07/09/11 8:43:00 PM
#3:


I can't get behind this topic title either. But again, I can get behind it being good -- even if its narrative derailment rivals some famous train crashes.

Balthier.

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tazzyboyishere
07/09/11 8:43:00 PM
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We're lying.

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Raka_Putra
07/09/11 8:47:00 PM
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Vaan's abs-not.

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 8:48:00 PM
#6:


Welp, we've already exhausted all justifications within the first three posts.

Now this becomes a lonely place.

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GANON1025
07/09/11 8:50:00 PM
#7:


From: LeonhartFour | #006
Welp, we've already exhausted all justifications within the first three posts.



No one has mentioned Doctor Cid, you neanderthal.

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 8:51:00 PM
#8:


Okay, fine.

Within seven posts.

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GANON1025
07/09/11 8:53:00 PM
#9:


No one has mentioned Fran's ass yet, you troglodyte.

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 8:54:00 PM
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That's because most of us aren't freaks.

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GANON1025
07/09/11 8:55:00 PM
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Well yet even still, no one has mentioned Judge Gabranth.

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Menji76
07/09/11 8:56:00 PM
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The battle system.

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Panthera
07/09/11 8:58:00 PM
#13:


From: LeonhartFour | #006
Welp, we've already exhausted all justifications within the first three posts.

Now this becomes a lonely place.


Oh I've got a ways to go before being exhausted, I just thought it would be polite to allow others a chance to contribute their own favourite elements of this wonderful game without drowning them all out myself

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Natwaf_akidna
07/09/11 8:59:00 PM
#14:


Save points that are actually monsters and are pretty dangerous.

I love it AND hate it at the same time!

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GANON1025
07/09/11 9:00:00 PM
#15:


That minigame where you go around yelling at people about Basch and Ondore

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 9:03:00 PM
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From: Panthera | #013
Oh I've got a ways to go before being exhausted, I just thought it would be polite to allow others a chance to contribute their own favourite elements of this wonderful game without drowning them all out myself


Well, it looks like you'll have GANON to keep you company, at least.

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Panthera
07/09/11 9:06:00 PM
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Ganon...that makes me think of...villains.

- It has Vayne

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Natwaf_akidna
07/09/11 9:07:00 PM
#18:


Ooh ooh!

Vayne having no idea who Vaan is.

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Xuxon
07/09/11 9:07:00 PM
#19:


"Hellooooooo" - the most insightful quote in the game by Vaan
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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 9:08:00 PM
#20:


I thought we were naming good things about FFXII, but if we're going to go in the other direction now...

The Sandsea

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Panthera
07/09/11 9:12:00 PM
#21:


From: LeonhartFour | #020
I thought we were naming good things about FFXII, but if we're going to go in the other direction now...

The Sandsea


Yeah we are naming the good things, it's nice to see you contributing now!

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GANON1025
07/09/11 9:12:00 PM
#22:


Vayne is a really bad villain and character and he's not reason for this to be a good game

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 9:13:00 PM
#23:


Sorry, what were you saying?

I still have two hours left until I finish this part of the game.

And I've only killed 50 of those Jawa guys so far.

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The Real Truth
07/09/11 9:14:00 PM
#24:


The license board was slapped together randomly with no organization at all.

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Panthera
07/09/11 9:16:00 PM
#25:


From: GANON1025 | #022
Vayne is a really bad villain and character and he's not reason for this to be a good game


Vayne is awesome and I'm struggling to think of video game villains who are better. I've got like...one name that's still arguable as hell.

From: LeonhartFour | #023
Sorry, what were you saying?

I still have two hours left until I finish this part of the game.

And I've only killed 50 of those Jawa guys so far.


I was saying that an area that's definitely not as long as you say but that looks nice and features more of the fast paced combat that isn't bogged down by loading screens is pretty good. Not a highlight or anything but hey, they can't all be perfect.

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 9:17:00 PM
#26:


From: Panthera | #025
the fast paced combat


Heh

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Xuxon
07/09/11 9:21:00 PM
#27:


in all seriousness, the Necrohol of Nabudis
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Panthera
07/09/11 9:21:00 PM
#28:


I agree, it is very funny that I forgot a hyphen in between "fast" and "paced". At least I didn't say fast paste combat.

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 9:23:00 PM
#29:


It is moderately faster than paste, at least, so it wouldn't be entirely inaccurate.

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Panthera
07/09/11 9:29:00 PM
#30:


No, it wouldn't

Which is more than I can say for your criticisms!

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Panthera
07/09/11 9:56:00 PM
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Eh, as far as completely wrong reviews go, I've seen better :)

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 10:04:00 PM
#33:


From: Panthera | #030
No, it wouldn't

Which is more than I can say for your criticisms!


Well, I could've gone the easy route like you did for the FFVIII topic and just said nothing, but that would be boring!

But FFXII's battle system is so...un-interactive that it never feels fast. And it feels like the ATB doesn't fill up very fast either. I always feel like I'm waiting around for too long for my next turn.

So I don't agree that it feels fast-paced. Most other games in the series make it look slow.

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Panthera
07/09/11 10:08:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #033
Well, I could've gone the easy route like you did for the FFVIII topic and just said nothing, but that would be boring!


Then I'd accuse you of copying me. Better this way.

But FFXII's battle system is so...un-interactive that it never feels fast. And it feels like the ATB doesn't fill up very fast either. I always feel like I'm waiting around for too long for my next turn.

So I don't agree that it feels fast-paced. Most other games in the series make it look slow.


If you don't set it to the slower speeds it's pretty quick. It's not FFVIII (the ATB in that game is nuts, turning the speed up to highest is actually bad because Haste plus good junctions makes me get turns faster than I can hope to input commands <_<) but it's a far cry from FFIX. And it's only as un-interactive as you make it. I've played probably 80% of my FFXII time with anything beyond "attack" being manual for whichever character I generally control, and that makes it pretty active to me. Especially with all the MP restoration effects you have that let you actually use spells liberally for much of the game instead of having to always conserve them for boss fights out of intense paranoia of running out (or maybe that's just me). Or never casting them because it's FFVIII.

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GANON1025
07/09/11 10:08:00 PM
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From: Panthera | #025
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Vayne is awesome and I'm struggling to think of video game villains who are better. I've got like...one name that's still arguable as hell.



Oh come on. It's not THAT hard. Doctor Cid is a better villain, and he's in the same game!!

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 10:13:00 PM
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Man, I love FFVIII's ATB, so good.

And even though you have MP Restoration, I still found most spells that aren't buffs or healing spells to not really be worth casting.

But that's the case in most FF games, so I don't hold that against FFXII personally.

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Xuxon
07/09/11 10:16:00 PM
#37:


From: GANON1025 | #035
Oh come on. It's not THAT hard. Doctor Cid is a better villain, and he's in the same game!!


Seriously, I can understand FF12 being in someone's top 5. I can even understand someone thinking Vayne is not that bad or even kinda good. But... best villain in all of video gaming? Absolute insanity.
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Lopen
07/09/11 10:17:00 PM
#38:


To think that Vayne being a great villain is the most objectionable reason so far in a list that contains Vaan's abs and Fran's ass.

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GANON1025
07/09/11 10:17:00 PM
#39:


How could anyone find Fran's ass objectionable?

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Panthera
07/09/11 10:18:00 PM
#40:


From: LeonhartFour | #036
And even though you have MP Restoration, I still found most spells that aren't buffs or healing spells to not really be worth casting.


Let's say it like this. If I'm playing FFXII and you take away my ability to cast stuff like Blind and Silence, I will slap you. With a frozen fish.

Enough things have elemental vulnerabilities to make offensive spells to be useful in various circumstances, especially with enemies that have various things that make them hard to hurt physically (or big enemies that you can spread out and spam spells against to help kite, or to dodge area of effect attacks, which makes some marks much easier at lower levels)

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Xuxon
07/09/11 10:19:00 PM
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Vaan's abs, just like everything about him, are pretty funny in how stupid they are. (and what's wrong with Fran's ass?)
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Lopen
07/09/11 10:19:00 PM
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Well it's not so much objectionable as much as "whatever"

Dat furry ass is a hard sell

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Lopen
07/09/11 10:19:00 PM
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Like I'm not saying it's objectionable I guess I'm just saying it's not really a reason we should get into for "5th best game of all time" or whatever.

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Xuxon
07/09/11 10:22:00 PM
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Okay... I don't particularly think Fran's ass is a huge plus in the game either. So you're saying Vayne is an ok villain then?
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Lopen
07/09/11 10:23:00 PM
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Only if you think Vaan's abs are okay! Fran's ass was just expository fluff on my part.

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 10:24:00 PM
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See, the thing for me is that FFXII feels slow. It doesn't matter if it is slow or not. It feels slow. Plus, more often than not, battles don't feel very...frenetic or lively. At least random encounters don't. I think part of it is that it feels like the characters don't run very fast. But I wait for my ATB gauge to fill, I attack, I run around waiting for it to fill again, if I choose to cast a spell, then I have to wait for THAT gauge to fill. And heaven forbid I should ever decide to go against my pre-set Gambits and reset the ATB completely just for doing so.

Like, I think that's one of the things FFXIII's battle system got right. It feels fast, it feels frantic, it feels hectic. Even though you're basically waiting for the ATB gauge to refill and you can just auto-pilot on auto-fight, the feel of fighting is good.

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Panthera
07/09/11 10:25:00 PM
#47:


Alright this is getting too redundant. You guys, change the topic. You're now discussing either Fran's abs or Vaan's ass.

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LeonhartFour
07/09/11 10:25:00 PM
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I'd rather discuss "Vayne sucks," personally.

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GANON1025
07/09/11 10:26:00 PM
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Doesn't get much better than Fran's ass. Ashe's super short skirt comes close though

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Panthera
07/09/11 10:26:00 PM
#50:


From: LeonhartFour | #046
See, the thing for me is that FFXII feels slow. It doesn't matter if it is slow or not. It feels slow. Plus, more often than not, battles don't feel very...frenetic or lively. At least random encounters don't.


Someone has never gone into the basement of the Pharos or the hidden part of Henne Mines, I see!

In all seriousness, I disagree, but I don't think there's any real way to rationally justify either of our positions here beyond "I like it", "I dislike it" and possibly "Nuh uh".

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