Board 8 > Diablo 3 to feature an auction house where you can use REAL money.

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VincentLauw
08/01/11 4:29:00 AM
#51:


From: StealThisSheen | #049
XFD Called it!

I can't believe you guys didn't think Activision was out to ruin gaming. Whatever turns a buck, they couldn't care less about what the average consumer thinks. And they know people will do it, because Nintendo made an entire generation of suckers out of the casual market with their complete joke of a system. Gamers are stuck to whatever the whim of companies like Capcom and Activision want, and they're complete sheep that will just further their cause.

[/SEPulti]


Also the government totally has something to do with this, I don't know how but they are stealing our money and transferring it to gaming companies and back so they can develop nuclear weapons. The illuminati are involved too. 9/11 was a cover up for all of this.

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Lopen
08/01/11 4:37:00 AM
#52:


From: MoogleKupo141 | #042
wait, why does anyone care about this always online thing?

why would you play Diablo offline anyway?

gross


Was thinking basically this, though I don't see what the flaw in D2's system is and why they decided to change it. It's not possible to get single player characters onto closed battle.net is it? Like I think there was an exploit once or twice that had open characters into the closed realm but that was fixed easily enough.

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Achromatic
08/01/11 4:40:00 AM
#53:


From: Lopen | #052
Was thinking basically this, though I don't see what the flaw in D2's system is and why they decided to change it. It's not possible to get single player characters onto closed battle.net is it? Like I think there was an exploit once or twice that had open characters into the closed realm but that was fixed easily enough.


You can auction house single player stuff, it is to prevent cheating if I were to guess.

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Lopen
08/01/11 4:44:00 AM
#54:


Yeah but couldn't they just make it so you could only auction house stuff from closed battle.net characters? Like even as it is now you can do "single player" on battle.net using characters stored on their servers. And then you can do the normal single player that doesn't need a battle.net connection.

Just doesn't seem like a necessary thing to counteract cheating at all-- none of the big problems with d2 cheating have anything to do with single player.

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KanzarisKelshen
08/01/11 4:48:00 AM
#55:


StealThisSheen posted...
XFD Called it!

I can't believe you guys didn't think Activision was out to ruin gaming. Whatever turns a buck, they couldn't care less about what the average consumer thinks. And they know people will do it, because Nintendo made an entire generation of suckers out of the casual market with their complete joke of a system. Gamers are stuck to whatever the whim of companies like Capcom and Activision want, and they're complete sheep that will just further their cause.

[/SEPulti]


Was about to counter-rant and then I saw the last line.

wp SEP, wp.

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Vlado
08/01/11 6:02:00 AM
#56:


VincentLauw posted...
From: StealThisSheen | #049
XFD Called it!

I can't believe you guys didn't think Activision was out to ruin gaming. Whatever turns a buck, they couldn't care less about what the average consumer thinks. And they know people will do it, because Nintendo made an entire generation of suckers out of the casual market with their complete joke of a system. Gamers are stuck to whatever the whim of companies like Capcom and Activision want, and they're complete sheep that will just further their cause.

[/SEPulti]
Also the government totally has something to do with this, I don't know how but they are stealing our money and transferring it to gaming companies and back so they can develop nuclear weapons. The illuminati are involved too. 9/11 was a cover up for all of this.

[/UltiLauw]


SEP's impersonation was quite good, however yours was awful.

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GranzonEx
08/01/11 6:08:00 AM
#57:


10 character limit probably will be increased. The always online doesn't mean much because unless you're a pirate, who wouldn't play Diablo 3 with their internet on? If you are on the computer you are most likely on the internet anyway. Auction house doesn't mean much since people will just use ebay/etc to sell their stuff if there wasn't something built in.
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foolm0ron
08/01/11 6:25:00 AM
#58:


From: Xiahou Shake | #001
Diablo 3 to feature an auction house where you can use REAL money.


From: KimPilgrim | #010
Also the game's going to require being connected online at all times


Oh, so it's going to be exactly like TF2, my favorite online game ever

Where is the problem exactly?

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VincentLauw
08/01/11 6:27:00 AM
#59:


From: Vlado | #056
VincentLauw posted...
From: StealThisSheen | #049
XFD Called it!

I can't believe you guys didn't think Activision was out to ruin gaming. Whatever turns a buck, they couldn't care less about what the average consumer thinks. And they know people will do it, because Nintendo made an entire generation of suckers out of the casual market with their complete joke of a system. Gamers are stuck to whatever the whim of companies like Capcom and Activision want, and they're complete sheep that will just further their cause.

[/SEPulti]
Also the government totally has something to do with this, I don't know how but they are stealing our money and transferring it to gaming companies and back so they can develop nuclear weapons. The illuminati are involved too. 9/11 was a cover up for all of this.

[/UltiLauw]


SEP's impersonation was quite good, however yours was awful.


he vlado

it was meant to be awful

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SmartMuffin
08/01/11 6:42:00 AM
#60:


I don't even like Diablo games, and I don't get the whining at all.

Don't pay attention to the whiners, Icehawk. They're just a bunch of Communists who believe that gaming companies should not make any profit whatsoever and oppose each and every method for them to do so.

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SmartMuffin
08/01/11 6:49:00 AM
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As long as the market will bear it, dude!

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MoogleKupo141
08/01/11 6:51:00 AM
#64:


wait, I just read the actual thing

it's an auction house where you can use real money to buy other human being's items

so people can sell their in-game items for real cash

so I am going to sell my in-game items for real cash

why is this bad

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ZaziGuado
08/01/11 6:57:00 AM
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The only thing I'm really bothered by here is the online at all times thing. When my internet goes out, or I'm somewhere where wireless isn't available to me, I like to screw around in games offline. They did this with SC2 as well, and that was more of a problem than it probably would be with D3, because I was actually trying to play the single player campaign. I don't see the point of doing this, and I really hope it doesn't become the norm, or if it has, I hope it goes away.

Oh, and also I don't see the point of limiting players to only 10 characters.

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Vlado
08/01/11 6:58:00 AM
#67:


VincentLauw posted...
From: Vlado | #056
VincentLauw posted...
From: StealThisSheen | #049
XFD Called it!

I can't believe you guys didn't think Activision was out to ruin gaming. Whatever turns a buck, they couldn't care less about what the average consumer thinks. And they know people will do it, because Nintendo made an entire generation of suckers out of the casual market with their complete joke of a system. Gamers are stuck to whatever the whim of companies like Capcom and Activision want, and they're complete sheep that will just further their cause.

[/SEPulti]
Also the government totally has something to do with this, I don't know how but they are stealing our money and transferring it to gaming companies and back so they can develop nuclear weapons. The illuminati are involved too. 9/11 was a cover up for all of this.

[/UltiLauw]

SEP's impersonation was quite good, however yours was awful.
he vlado

it was meant to be awful


So then you were parodying SEP, which would have also missed the mark, what with his impersonation being hilarious.

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ZaziGuado
08/01/11 6:59:00 AM
#68:


Also yeah. The market in D2 was an absolute joke and kind of turned me off. I played the hell out of the game, but never got too involved because the trading economy was a joke and people would always come into games as I got higher leveled with all their juiced up equipment and it was hard to find people who just wanted to play through it in a legit manner.

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Ayuyu
08/01/11 7:05:00 AM
#72:


UltimaterializerX posted...

And this was long before Activision ever showed up. Can you imagine how bad Diablo 3 is going to be if they already plan on having a real-life auction house in it?


*Dude post an item on the AH and set the price*
*Price displayed is double what the guy decided*
*50% of the money goes directly to Acti/Blizz*

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Vlado
08/01/11 7:10:00 AM
#73:


SmartMuffin posted...
As long as the market will bear it, dude!

I don't give a f*** about "the market". I care about myself and my own enjoyment, and my ability to play the full games without paying 2-3 times the price of a game in order to do so. I don't wanna feel screwed because some "genius" in a high position thought of a "brilliant idea" to stop piracy which only increased it and made me feel like an idiot for actually paying for the game and then getting less enjoyment out of it than pirates. I don't wanna buy a game only to find out it was 1/3 of the game and I gotta pay additionally to get the rest. I don't wanna have to spend more money to "unlock" stuff that was already on the disc I already bought.

I think you're mistaking "capitalism", a main point of which is looking out for your own best interest, which is what I'm doing, with plain masochism, which looking out for corporations' best interest would be for a straight-headed customer.

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Radix
08/01/11 7:49:00 AM
#74:


Hopefully they do something about the botting/duping

Not counting on it but a man can dream :/

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Highwind89
08/01/11 8:46:00 AM
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People will literally complain about anything these days.
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The Real Truth
08/01/11 9:01:00 AM
#76:


People are literally customers and literally allowed to complain about something that requires payment to use.

People will literally defend bad moves by companies.

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The Real Truth
08/01/11 9:04:00 AM
#77:


I actually want to post again to clarify what I mean.

People that think complaining is a bad thing are incredibly naive and should jump off of a bridge.

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Achromatic
08/01/11 9:04:00 AM
#78:


From: The Real Truth | #076
People are literally customers and literally allowed to complain about something that requires payment to use.

People will literally defend bad moves by companies.


As a guy who has the game pre-ordered I do not mind this at all. Find it amusing, really. Nothing about this hurts my enjoyment of the game on any level. And hey if I get an awesome item I can't use maybe I can make a dollar, but if if I can't not like I was hyped for Diablo 3 as an income source or anything.

I guess I can understand why this would annoy people, but of all of the bad things the company has done (and I think their CEO is a garbage person to the industry of video games) I don't mind this move.

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GANON1025
08/01/11 9:08:00 AM
#79:


Real Truth ON THE ATTACK

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OctilIery
08/01/11 9:09:00 AM
#80:


So there is still NOTHING wrong with any of this, except that the skill system may turn out terrible.

- Diablo 3 is primarily online so that doesn't matter much

- The auction house is optional and doesn't hurt you much

- Everything in this is just Blizzard changing the game BASED ON WHAT D2 ALREADY WAS.

Get over it. This isn't Acti making Blizzard sell out. This is Blizzard being Blizzard, doing their job and doing it well.

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KingButz
08/01/11 9:17:00 AM
#81:


As someone who does not always have home internet, I find online persistent DRM to be one of the worst things ever. Those are the kind of games that I am willing to hack/pirate as much as I can, because it really is bull****.

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The Real Truth
08/01/11 9:18:00 AM
#82:


It's not a big deal to you because that's not how you play the game. It's the same way of thinking people have about laws or things that have happened elsewhere in the world. Nobody cares, because it doesn't have an actual impact on them.

I used to play Lan D2 with my friend back in the day. The best D2 I played was with my friend. I no longer have that option. I can't play single player either, but nobody cares because it doesn't effect them. Diablo 2 is not Team Fortress 2. It doesn't require teams of 5+ to be played. It is a game that (while not as good after the first time) is perfectly playable offline. They are just deciding to not make it so.

And believe it or not, there are plenty of people in this country that don't have a reliable ISP. It happens fairly easily when you live away from larger cities. It's not a problem for me, but it will be for others I'd personally just like the option of playing offline. I was planning to play through D3 offline the first time through.

I'm not even addressing the other changes they're implementing.

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GranzonEx
08/01/11 9:19:00 AM
#83:


The thing is you don't need reliable internet to be connected to the internet >_>

You just need to be online, like you are now, to be able to play the single player.
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The Real Truth
08/01/11 9:20:00 AM
#84:


KingButz posted...
As someone who does not always have home internet, I find online persistent DRM to be one of the worst things ever. Those are the kind of games that I am willing to hack/pirate as much as I can, because it really is bull****.

Like this guy here. It's a joke. You guys (not all of you) are only looking at this from your own perspective. I was on the fence about D3 and Guild Wars 2, myself. I will now be going with GW2.

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Achromatic
08/01/11 9:20:00 AM
#85:


Well, I'd like it if you don't compare a video game to world politics. That seems a bit not on the level. As a consumer I only care about things that relate to me, which is my right just as much as it is your right to complain about it. It isn't some terrible thing - I buy based off my need and wants. Sucks for you if you can't be online all the time, yeah.

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Highwind89
08/01/11 9:21:00 AM
#86:


You can still play single player....and you were allowed to play Starcraft II offline even though countless of people said you couldn't. That's most likely the case with D3.
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Achromatic
08/01/11 9:23:00 AM
#88:


On the other hand people being like "why would you complain" are silly. Especially about the online thing. If that hampers your ability to play, by all means you should complain.

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Highwind89
08/01/11 9:29:00 AM
#89:


And if it is the case where you can't play offline, then yeah, that sucks. I still see no reason why the auction house is bad for the game though.
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vcharon
08/01/11 9:41:00 AM
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This is horrendous. All I can say is I hope Blizzard nixes this idea before it's released; sort of like how due to public backlash they eventually backed off forcing people to use their Real ID names on their forums.

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backinblack167
08/01/11 9:58:00 AM
#91:


Brilliant PR move by Activision-Blizzard to release info about the Auction House and slaughter of the skill system on the same day so people will solely freak out about the Auction House and DRM instead of the most terrible part of the reveal.

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OctilIery
08/01/11 10:27:00 AM
#92:


UltimaterializerX posted...
This isn't Acti making Blizzard sell out.

Denial is hilarious.


Indeed it is, that's why I find you so funny!

Blizzard has ALWAYS been about the money. These are pure blizzard changes - they don't hurt the average consumer but allow them to gain a profit.

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OctilIery
08/01/11 10:30:00 AM
#93:


backinblack167 posted...
Brilliant PR move by Activision-Blizzard to release info about the Auction House and slaughter of the skill system on the same day so people will solely freak out about the Auction House and DRM instead of the most terrible part of the reveal.

Actually we have nothing to indicate that the skill system has been slaughtered. Like I said, it could be terrible or it could be amazing; we'll know when we learn more.

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backinblack167
08/01/11 10:36:00 AM
#94:


I can't say I agree. No skill leveling, infinite respecs at any time, only three passive slots. There will be no differentiation between characters of the same class other than those three passives, and if they're respeccable as well, there will be literally no differentiation.

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OctilIery
08/01/11 10:39:00 AM
#95:


backinblack167 posted...
I can't say I agree. No skill leveling, infinite respecs at any time, only three passive slots. There will be no differentiation between characters of the same class other than those three passives, and if they're respeccable as well, there will be literally no differentiation.

We simply don't know enough about how it is going to work, but given how much we have heard about the possibility of customizing skills using runes, I think it's fair to say we should wait and give it a try.

Besides, Blizzard has yet to make a bad game; any company with such a solid reputation deserves the benefit of the doubt in my mind.

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voltch
08/01/11 11:09:00 AM
#96:


From: UltimaterializerX | #071
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Dudes, Ulti is always right, if you ever try and deny him, 6 weeks later he will be proven right and he will CALLED IT to your face.


IN THE FACE!

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yoshifan823
08/01/11 11:14:00 AM
#97:


Yeah, the auction house seems just like a way for Bliz to get a cut of the profits from item selling, but holy **** is persistent online DRM a terrible idea.
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transience
08/01/11 11:14:00 AM
#98:


I'm not sure why this is only Activision's fault. Blizzard has loved money for years and years.

if the game is good, it'll be to Blizzard's credit and if it's bad, it will be Activision's fault. what a great circumstance they've walked into.

I don't think this is a big deal but I'm not a Diablo fan so what do I know.

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Demon HunterX
08/01/11 11:16:00 AM
#99:


Indeed it is, that's why I find you so funny!

Blizzard has ALWAYS been about the money. These are pure blizzard changes - they don't hurt the average consumer but allow them to gain a profit.


blizzard was a perfectly NORMAL company in terms of loving money until war3. WoW ruined blizzard essentially. Just like how FFXI ruined Square

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Demon HunterX
08/01/11 11:20:00 AM
#100:


Besides, Blizzard has yet to make a bad game; any company with such a solid reputation deserves the benefit of the doubt in my mind.

Lol. People are still saying that? That hasnt been a legitimate claim since like 2002. Frozen Throne was horrible, WotLK and Cata were average at best expansions, and SC2 had a joke storyline.

Blizzard's games have taken a huge downward slide for years now.

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