Board 8 > happy 25th, metroid!

(+) Yeah! (+)

still one of the most important franchises to me even after the abortion named other m

listening to metroid prime soundtracks all day, should speed run super metroid later too

other m still better than the original

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only because the original is obsolete since zero mission exists!

or because the original is actually a legitimately terrible game rather than a different style of game than you were expecting with a story you didn't care for

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haven't played other m, but the original metroid is definitely a disaster.

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The original Metroid is like a billion other adventure-y NES games that didn't have maps in that it's horrible compared to future installments because of that one feature.

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I should finally get around to beating Prime and 3.

... How is it I've only beaten 2?

And the original may not be good by today's standards, but it founded a successful franchise with a monstrous track record while Other M broke the series's stride, fell on its face, and shattered all of its teeth.

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Prime 2 the weakest one!

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I feel like i should post this:



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Why do we not have something like this?

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Nintendo doesn't like money.

Also, because Metroid is popular with Americans. And **** them, right? They don't play video games.

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I like my sexy metal metroid prime trilogy case more than that, but yeah it's too bad nintendo won't do anything for metroid's anniversary like they did with mario and are doing with zelda. not their biggest commercial success and it is coming off it's most criticized entry, but the series has been a huge influence in gaming and should be respected more than that.

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I feel like i should post this:



Nice to know IGN are still (indirectly) capable of good!

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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #006
The original Metroid is like a billion other adventure-y NES games that didn't have maps in that it's horrible compared to future installments because of that one feature.

I would consider starting you at 30 life every time you use a password to be the bigger crime.

Well that and having basic enemies that are too short for you to shoot them with your normal weapon when you're standing on the same platform. WTF were they thinking?

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Man, I feel old... :P

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celebrate by watching a speed run race

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Man I remember playing through Super Metroid a week after Other M came out, while my midterm exams were going on. That felt surreal. Highlight of my life!

Hopefully I get a similar feeling playing through Final Fantasy VII, Xenogears, and Final Fantasy Tactics all for the first time while people are commenting on Square's downfall.

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Other M was one of the better titles in my opinion, just after Super Metroid and Echoes. People just don't like the character Samus was portrayed as.

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still one of the most important franchises to me even after the abortion named other m

From what I've heard, an abortion would have SAVED other m

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I like my sexy metal metroid prime trilogy case more than that..

Oh god, I was so ****ing happy when I saw the trilogy in mint condition for 30 bucks in a video store .

Needless to say there was semen in the windows of the shop after I left.

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From what I've heard, an abortion would have SAVED other m

good point

People just don't like the character Samus was portrayed as.

other m has a lot worse problems than that...that is to say, pretty much everything about it except the combat sucks ass. it's linear, has no real sense of exploration, it has a weak sense of atmosphere, it completely breaks with the series' traditionally minimalist and subtle storytelling in favor of bad JRPG/anime inspired dialogue heavy cutscenes that have all the subtlety of clubbing a baby seal over the head. oh, and yes samus is portrayed as a pretty terrible character. the worst thing about samus' characterization might be that it basically canonizes the metroid manga that no one liked rather than being something more in line with the other games.

From: Liquid Wind | #022
the worst thing about samus' characterization might be that it basically canonizes the metroid manga that no one liked rather than being something more in line with the other games.

That was one of the things I liked about it personally. Change can sometimes be a good thing. It would be nice if games like LoZ made similar steps away from the formula once in a while to avoid stagnation.

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it's possible to avoid a formula without completely bastardizing something, and I agree with you on zelda, LA and MM are really the most special games in that series because they're the only ones that don't follow the formula

It wasn't a bastardization. Nintendo never specified that the Manga Universe and the Video Game universe were separate entities. They actually took strides to make the game encompass all aspects of the Metroid Universe. It tied in with the Manga, and the previous games (specifically Fusion), and actually told a story, including twists with main character reaction, instead of playing out like a pure platformer or FPS. The way they kept it very old school game play wise was done quite well I think.


I can understand if people didn't like it because it wasn't what they expected of Samus or the game, but I think the game gets a lot of undeserved bashing, and I easily place it in my top 3 or 4 Metroids.

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It wasn't a bastardization. Nintendo never specified that the Manga Universe and the Video Game universe were separate entities.

a lot of video games have offshoot manga's and anime's and other derivative works, this is the first time I recall one of them actually being made canon except like, FFVII AC which also had a lot of FFVII's staff involved with it

It tied in with the Manga

this is not a good thing. sure it's kind of neat to try and do it but



wiser minds like aonuma and miyamoto have avoided doing something like this for good reason

Other M turned missiles from a power-up to a gimmick. That alone means it has the worst gameplay of a Metroid game since the original.

Edit: This is especially embarrassing since if you add a map to the original, it has better gameplay than Other M.

Double Edit: Return of Samus doesn't count.

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I liked Other M's plot, but generally I found that the "personal" parts were pretty boring and cliche (probably true of most of the rest of the plot too). But when you've been living off of the likes of Super Mario Bros. 3, Metroid Fusion, both Sonic Adventures, Metroid Prime, Super Mario World, Super Metroid, and Super Mario 64 (aka lots of games where plot doesn't play much of a role at all)...

I was most hyped for Other M because of the controls, and I enjoyed those! Plus I thought it was the closest I would get to something like Half-Life 2 or BioShock without leaving Nintendo. Now of course, there are no shortcuts.

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new SM ocremix tonight!

http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR02274/

this might be my new favorite remix of this theme

I honestly liked Samus's personality in MOM though (the way it was portrayed onscreen, on the other hand, yeah). It may have matched up anywhere from 75-100% with who I imagined her to be beforehand.

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you don't play video games, how would you imagine her beforehand -_-

I suppose being only a Metroid fan for two and a half years is a lot different than being a Metroid fan for 20 years or something.

On the other hand, I kinda feel as if MOM was most meant for people who got into the franchise in 2006 or later, yet still prefer the 2D Metroids over the 3D ones, which is a tall order to ask for seeing how the last 2D Metroid was released in 2004! I fit that description (first played Super Metroid in Summer 2009 and it's in my top 5), but how many people would? I came to the franchise because of Melee and Brawl first, and my old computer edutainment games and educational TV shows from my past starting reminding me of the franchise for whatever reason, which is why I came back to the franchise in Summer 2010.

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metroid prime is closer to the 2D metroids in concept than other m is with the exception of fusion, which is also a black sheep in the series. it would be accurate to say that other m was clearly intended for people who only recently got into the series however, it's pretty much a reboot(for a series that didn't remotely need it...)

Never played Other M
But if Other M hate is like Metroid Fusion hate then I don't give a crap because Fusion was awesome

What I've always thought would be neat is a Metroid game where there's not a strict sequence. Like at any time, instead of there being one powerup you're supposed to go for next, there could be two. Whichever one you pick opens up a different new area, with two new powerups to choose between. Ideally the choice would feel a little more natural than just getting to the powerup room and then it's like "here are two things, pick one". Like you explore the area in a different direction to find a different powerup, and somehow you're prevented from going back and getting the other one.

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it's possible to avoid a formula without completely bastardizing something, and I agree with you on zelda, LA and MM are really the most special games in that series because they're the only ones that don't follow the formula

Not to derail the topic, but how is Link's Awakening not following the Zelda formula?

Or did you mean AoL?

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B8 NES hate strikes again.

Metroid better than all of the games in the series besides Super, Prime, and Zero Mission.

Not to derail the topic, but how is Link's Awakening not following the Zelda formula?

in story terms, it's one of the most unique games in the series. the typical zelda story is exemplified by LTTP, OoT, WW, and TP. ganondorf kidnaps zelda, wants the triforce/world domination, you get the master sword because you're the hero of destiny on an epic coming of age story, ganon is sealed or killed etc

the gameplay is more or less what you'd expect for a zelda game that came out around that time but the world of koholint is also very unusual for a zelda game, I find worlds like that and termina more interesting than what hyrule is usually presented as I have to say, termina might even be the best world nintendo has created for any game IMO, but the concept behind koholint is also great, it's a much more ambitious and creative kind of story than what TP was

Sure, I'll agree that the plot of Link's Awakening completely strays from the formula, but really who is playing Zelda games for plot?

And under that explanation, what makes the Oracle games different from Link's Awakening? They too are set in non-Hyrulian lands.

It's still the same overworld adventure game with 8 dungeons to conquer scattered throughout. Expertly crafted, to be sure.


On-topic: I think the reason for no Metroid Anniversary collection is lack of games, at least in the NES/SNES era. Remember the Mario collection only had the All-Stars versions of the NES games. A similar Metroid collection would only have Metroid and Super Metroid. They COULD put the Game Boy/GBA games in there, but I'm positive that they're holding out to sell them on the 3DS Virtual Console.

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they already did metroid prime trilogy so I'm not sure a collection would be the way to go anyway, super metroid and zero mission are highly respected games but that's about the extent of what they could add to it. maybe they could've done something other than a game like zelda is doing concerts, or maybe some kind of special edition art book or something. or maybe a remake of metroid II? I think most people should agree that that game could benefit from a remake the most since the original metroid is out of the way

all just ideas, they did nothing, which was probably to be expected after the commercial and critical bomb that the most recent game was. the whole xenoblade debacle has shown us that nintendo doesn't care about long term goodwill with its fanbase, only short term profits, and they don't see metroid as marketable now

that being said, even an announcement for a new metroid game could've been a nice thing to do, in light of other m a lot of fans are afraid the series is going to get shelfed again

Unfortunately, out of all Nintendo's franchises, Metroid is arguably the "least unique to Nintendo" out of all of them - now games like Silent Hill 2, Shadow of the Colossus, and BioShock seem to be doing the Metroid thing better than Metroid itself.

Other M was basically Sonic Adventure: Metroid Edition. I think shelving the series would be the best idea right about now, unless someone like Valve steps in to help, lol.

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shadow of the colossus is also doing the zelda thing better than zelda itself, twilight princess even copied it A TON which outside of the boss fights was a really questionable move. I wouldn't categorize silent hill as such, super metroid has some survival horror-esque atmospheres, but, actually has good gameplay, which pretty much no survival horror game does.

From: LinkMarioSamus | #041
Unfortunately, out of all Nintendo's franchises, Metroid is arguably the "least unique to Nintendo" out of all of them - now games like Silent Hill 2, Shadow of the Colossus, and BioShock seem to be doing the Metroid thing better than Metroid itself.

It's pretty hilarious that you would mention Silent Hill 2 as NOW making Metroid "less unique", when that game came out over a year BEFORE Nintendo revived Metroid with Prime & Fusion.

But we all know you don't play games, so of course you have no sense of what games are from what time period.

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new metroid remix album is out!

http://www.shinesparkers.net/harmonyofahunter/

will post my impressions later, gotta head out for now

Prime 1 and 2 are amazing, both in my top ten games. Prime 3 though was a disappointment. :(

From: LinkMarioSamus | #041
Shadow of the Colossus, and BioShock seem to be doing the Metroid thing better than Metroid itself.

lmao SotC is also in my top ten games and Bioshock is great but this is just wrong. Thankfully I haven't played Other M though.

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It's pretty hilarious that you would mention Silent Hill 2 as NOW making Metroid "less unique", when that game came out over a year BEFORE Nintendo revived Metroid with Prime & Fusion.

there's this too. I didn't even think of it because as I said, I don't see them as comparable to begin with. metroid isn't really horror although it sometimes has creepy atmosphere, and SA-X might belong in a horror game...metroid usually has fast and fluid gameplay while survival horror goes out of its way to be clunky and nigh unplayable. I love the atmosphere and story of silent hill 2 but I seriously can't play that game, it controls like ass and the camera is terrible and no matter how much people tell me that it's supposed to add to the feeling of the character being helpless, it just makes it impossible for me to enjoy.

Other M is a good example of why manga should not exist.

there are much better examples out there, but agreed

Is it sad that all four of the Metroid games I played last year (Fusion, Prime, Super Metroid, Other M) gave me light scares?

Funnily enough, Resident Evil 4 wasn't actually that much more scary!

Either way, here's my series ranking:

Super Metroid > Prime > Zero Mission > Prime 3 > Fusion > Prime 2 > Other M

Haven't played the original two or the DS entries.

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Not a bad ranking there LMS, switch Prime 2 with Prime 3 and we're golden.

And how is Silent Hill or Shadow of the Colossus like Metroid at all?

edit: and you said Bioshock! None of these games bear any resemblance to Metroid other than "gritty" and maybe a feeling of solitude.

More or less those, but they do those better than actual Metroids do nowadays.

Speaking of Shadow of the Colossus, do you guys think there should be a Metroid game in the future devoid of all enemy encounters aside from boss battles?

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